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00:20 < pjs> Hi all. I swear I'm not trying to pry, but just want to know if tedu is ok? Has anyone heard from him at all?
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00:33 < mischief> good question. his site seems broken as well
00:36 < Bradipo> Possible that his site is just swamped with bots like the rest of the tubes?
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00:42 < mischief> his last commit is also last july
00:42 < Bradipo> Yep, so it's been a while.
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00:53 < fro> RIP
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01:09 < Bradipo> Last comment on his site (at least archived) seems to be in October: https://web.archive.org/web/20251225155303/https://flak.tedunangst.com/
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01:21 < pjs> Yea, he's been MIA for a while and usually active daily on his fediverse acct. 
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01:22 < fro> looks like last post on his site was oct 2025?
01:22 < Bradipo> Yeah, that's what I said above...
01:23 < mischief> probably the people on the sekrit icb channel know more
01:24 < pjs> last fediverse post I have from him was in December complaining about the lounge in the PHX airport
01:24 < fro> well so
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01:25 < fro> he was alive in december and that isn't _that_ long ago
01:25 < pjs> anyway, just checking. I don't know him personally, just online, and was always very cool/friendly. With his sites down, builds fail for projects that use his go modules (whatever, easy to work around), so just curious if anyone knew if he was OK. 
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01:26 < mischief> doesn't the go module proxy save them?
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01:31 < dg> well there is a whole post from him about how the go module proxy wasn't doing correct caching for hg
01:31 < dg> so maybe not in this case, but in general it should
01:32 < dg> (and I thought most of the hg stuff is resolved, but some cases will want to see if there's a newer version available)
01:32 < mischief> oh dear, he is a fan of hg isn't he
01:32 < mischief> unfortunate his site is down, he has some good lua code as well
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07:43 < dg> schalken: pfsync.4 was missing a word, fixed
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08:40 < tangentnet> hi
08:40 < tangentnet> does OpenBSD's httpd support EC certificates with the v3_ca extension?
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09:39 < tangentnet> Yeah, it does.
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14:26 < f451> hi, are there any openbsd rpi5 users here?
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14:30 < f451> can anyone confirm that *after* installation (which requires the probe), has anyone had success in running serial off the gpio uart pin 14 (ie with the probe disconnected, and serial provided via ttl) in order to see the boot *> prompt
14:30 < f451> i can make console output appear here in debian
14:31 < f451> the reason is to enter passphrase after reboot
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14:35 < morpho> i dont know but is there some service you need to start
14:36 < morpho> ive had some linux distros atleast - require me enable serial manually
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14:36 < f451> i dont think so i think this is where uboot hands over control from uboot to openbsd, but im unsure
14:37 < f451> so im thinking it might be a uboot thing. but at boot prompt is control not already handed over? i dunno
14:38 < f451> the problem is the probe. it's a fith the size of the pi. need to simplify that if i can
14:39 < f451> it's also way more expensive than a ttl cable
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16:30 < leah> can someone give me advice about slow bittorrent on openbsd. i have like 500mbps internet but i'm only getting maybe 10mbps down on bittorrents
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16:30 < leah> i know openbsd is strict about limits by default, but i'm unsure what i might change about it to make it faster
16:30 < mischief> likely your peers are slow.
16:30 < leah> bittorrent opens a lot of connections so probably bottlenecking somewhere. has anyone else had this issue?
16:30 < morpho> have you opened ports
16:30 < leah> no, i tried a torrent that's really fast on my linux machine, to test with. like, full speed.
16:31 < lts> The problem may be your bittorrent client
16:31 < leah> i do have default pf rules, but you don't need to open ports to use bittorrent
16:31 < morpho> it might be needing to do a lot of udp punching
16:31 < leah> possibly, yes
16:31 < mischief> leah: that doesn't guarantee you get the same peers though.
16:31 < leah> yeah well, every torrent is slow
16:31 < morpho> bittorrent works for me ok. im just using transmission
16:32 < leah> huh. ok i'll ttry transmission.
16:32 < morpho> but UDP punching through NAT ipv4 is tricky
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16:33 < morpho> if you can get a port redirected to the seed box that would be ideal
16:34 < leah> confirmed. transmission-qt is fast
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16:34 < leah> i did increase some limits in sysctl
16:34 < leah> pertaining to the number of open connections allowed. but no effect on qbittorrent
16:34 < leah> i'll use transmission-qt on openbsd. thanks
16:34 < leah> yeah, i recently ported librewolf. gonna send to the ports team for review soon.
16:35 < leah> been setting up my other usual things. i'm slowly testing out openbsd for later migrating to it as my main system. currently debian is main.
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16:35 < leah> i wonder why qbittorrent is slow. i prefer that one on linux.
16:36 < leah> i'll have to investigate later, but transmission is fine for now. cheers!
16:36 < leah> i have native ipv6 btw. slaac.
16:36 < leah> direct IP. i *could* open a port but meh. i never open ports. bittorrent works fine without, these days.
16:37 < morpho> transmission and rtorrent is king
16:38 < leah> i only started using qbittorrent because on linux, the transmission package is kinda buggy in my distro
16:38 < leah> otherwise i prefer transmission, yes
16:38 < leah> since it's *not* buggy on openbsd, i'll use transmission.
16:38 < leah> yeah, i've been porting all my shit to obsd. now i also download linux distros in bittorrent on it. yes.
16:38 < morpho> well, openbsd does tend to be less buggy in my experience
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16:39 < leah> btw
16:39 < leah> https://mas.to/@libreleah/116414547563747898
16:39 < leah> ^ my librewolf port. i show screenshots there
16:39 < leah> repo here: https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port
16:39 < leah> i completed it earlier. it works perfectly. LibreWolf web browser on openbsd. i spend bloody ages reading through ports literature and playing with it.
16:40 < leah> the port i did was crap, so i rewrote it last night, now it's perfect. gonna send it to ports@ later....
16:40 < leah> ...after i watch Testaments S01E04
16:40 < leah> later :)
16:41 < morpho> awesome
16:44 < mischief> huh, tried rtorrent with ubuntu 26 iso. only one peer connected out of 107 and dl is a trickle
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16:47 < leah> someone joked that i should also port GNU IceCat
16:48 < leah> that browser sucks. librewolf is the best one. it's the only one i use
16:48 < leah> but i may call their bluff, for fun
16:48 < leah> obsd ports is pretty amazing. literally just a bunch of dumb makefiles with some common rules
16:48 < leah> much simpler than, say, a PKGBUILD on archlinux, which i'm more accustomed to
16:48 < leah> obsd seems to just make everything really simple, even for an idiot like me to understand
16:50 < mischief> very strange
16:50 < mischief> on openbsd, `transmission-cli -er -w . -M '17A60A25701FCCB0C4935D372FD60097401B31C8'` just dies after a few seconds with
16:50 < mischief> Progress: 0.0%, dl from 8 of 8 peers (0 kB/s), ul to 0 (0 kB/s) [None]
16:50 < mischief> [2026-04-16 16:48:28.430] session.cc:1328: Transmission version 4.0.6 (38c164933e) shutting down
16:51 < mischief> on gentoo works fine with a peak dl of about 40MB/s
16:51 < morpho> as i understand chromium is hardened by default on obsd
16:52 < morpho> thats all i use
16:53 < leah> obsd also has ungoogled-chromium
16:53 < leah> and soon librewolf. i hope i can get my port merged before 7.9
16:53 < leah> they're in release mode. they normally release toward end of april
16:54 < morpho> mischief: that is odd, no pf rules blocking it?
16:55 < librecat> do you have a offtopic
16:56 < mischief> morpho: pretty sure no, and the gentoo linux machine is behind the same openbsd gw i am testing on
16:56 < morpho> leah: does librewolf need rust?
16:56 < surrounder> librecat: #openbsd-social
16:57 < mischief> huh, second invocation worked actually, it's just not as chatty or printing progress often like it did on gentoo
16:57 < mischief> Progress: 70.5%, dl from 30 of 35 peers (11.59 MB/s), ul to 0 (0 kB/s) [0.00]
16:58 < aaronm04> What are the security implications of the kernel fork patch from yesterday?
16:58 < aaronm04> As in, how could someone exploit this (if it's possible)?
16:59 < aaronm04> surrounder: for building, I would expect rust would be needed
16:59 < surrounder> ?
16:59 < aaronm04> Sorry, morpho: ^
16:59 < aaronm04> Wrong nick
17:00 < morpho> ty
17:07 < sibiria> mischief: it's not pledged/veiled?
17:08 < sibiria> maybe it has hiccups from being rejected. 4.0.6 suffers from the bug that hammers some trackers, resulting in many trackers banning 4.0.6 from entering the swarm
17:09 < thrig> hammertime! can't touch this
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17:15 < mischief> sibiria: both run 4.0.6
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17:25 < uwharrie> aaronm04: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=177628255622732&w=2
17:26 < fro> maybe someone will do a write up
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17:43 < minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
17:44 < fro> is that what this is?
17:44 < minall> I'm installing OpenBSD in a new system, and in the first installation, in the keyboard, the sound keys worked. Now, after a syspatch and fw_update and pkg_update -u and a reboot, they don't work anymore. Keyboard is somewhat differnet
17:44 < minall> fro: Was typing hehe
17:45 < minall> So for instance, in my fvwm3 I used to press S-SPACE and it will turn up dmenu_run, the command works, but not the hotkey is not being detected
17:45 < minall> When I press F3 (without the function it was volume up, f2 volume down and whatever) I get numbers, and given that I am in Emacs, I get New Macro Counter Value
17:45 < minall> No clue what it is... Pressing function and f3 also does the same
17:46 < minall> Other keys like keyboard brightness (f8) do work
17:46 < uwharrie> what does xev say about the keys with and without a function modifier?
17:47 < minall> http://dpaste.com/FSNP47YX5 <- It is getting Super_L, but it is not getting space (unless I press it on itself)
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17:49 < minall> I'm checking wskbd(4). Perhaps it changed?. In my wsconsctl I have only mouse optinos, and the third one for some reason wasn't seen: http://dpaste.com/FVD23U33Z As in, applied at system boot. I literally copied and pasted in the terminal wsconsctl and the option, and it worked perfectly.
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18:06 < minall> I'll check bios options for the function thingy, be right back...
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18:10 < aaronm04> uwharrie: TY
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18:17 < minall> Okay, after reboot, now my audio keys (f3) and so on are correctly being seen as XF86AudioRaiseVolume and they do work
18:17 < thrig> did you try turning it off and back on again
18:18 < minall> thrig: Yes lol
18:18 < minall> S-space doesn't work yet though
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18:29 < minall> Probably my fvwm3 config, everything else is working correctly after reboot
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18:50 < minall> Welp, probably specific to my keyboard. When I press windows-SPACE, in xev, the space doesn't get recognized
18:51 < minall> I just remaped to M-x and it works perfectly ye
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19:34 < morpho> am i write in understanding that openbsd cannot mmap to a file to reduce read/write calls due to the lack of unified cache?
19:36 < morpho> right*. im just poking through mailing lists now
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19:37 < cgnarne> mmap is almost never a good idea
19:43 < morpho> thats the trendy way to do it though
19:44 < morpho> for like databases
19:47 < cgnarne> https://db.cs.cmu.edu/mmap-cidr2022/
19:47 < cgnarne> you may want to reconsider that
19:48 < morpho> didnt know that, ty!
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19:50 < morpho> what is a good db for obsd then? is just using the fs not so bad in this regard
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19:51 < uwharrie> the FS is fine. so are sqlite and postgres depending on your requirements
19:53 < sibiria> if you need an rdbms, consider sqlite first, mariadb and postgresql second
19:54 < morpho> im just using slow cgi scripts so its already quite... traditional
19:56 < sibiria> a plain file can be entirely sufficient for many use cases
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20:38 < oldlaptop> If you're using plain CGI, it probably does not make sense to worry about whether the database uses this or that I/O call and the performance implications of its choice
20:39 < thrig> ... and then mailman performance goes to crap when there's a billion mailing lists and a billion file reads ...
20:39 < oldlaptop> When that happens you should probably worry about how you're using plain CGI first
20:40 < morpho> how *secure* is slow cgi? if the scripts get forked every process doesnt that mitigate against a whole host of cross sight scriping tecniques?
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20:41 < sibiria> it has some benefits, a lot of caveats. it's not inherently insecure in itself
20:42 < morpho> i added pledge and unveil to my scripting lang but isnt slowcgi pledged already?
20:42 < sibiria> but do consider giving fastcgi another try. it's solves a lot of headaches
20:42 < mischief> pledges go away on fork.
20:42 < oldlaptop> the thingy that starts your other thingies is pledged
20:42 < mischief> er.... exec*.
20:43 < morpho> it seems to work, as in, pledging nothing kills the process imediately. unveiling stops you excuting commands from path
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20:49 < morpho> there is pledge/unveil in perl so i assume it would be useful in any other scripting language?
20:50 < thrig> the allows have to be pretty broad in some languages that have batteries included
20:51 < morpho> plan9-rc seems to just need stdio. and if compiled as a static binary can have the entire fs hidden
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21:29 < morpho> the source for the plan9/rc port seems down at the moment, there is a repoistory on github that is more recent.
21:30 < morpho> it also has options to use bestline over editline/readline that is missing from the port
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21:37 < morpho> shall i submit a change to the port? along with the the pledge and unveil patch?
21:45 < fro> yeah sure
21:46 < morpho> it would probably mean replacing rc-readline and rc-editline flavours with rc and rc-static and they both use bestline
21:47 < morpho> also, i need to mess around with the pledge so stdio always triggers
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22:08 < Bradipo> I see that daily(8) runs "dump -w" which will report which filesystems need to be dumped...
22:08 < Bradipo> But how does "dump -w" determine what needs to be dumped?
22:09 < phy1729> Did you check the man page?
22:10 < Bradipo> Of course.
22:10 < Bradipo> It says the information is gleaned from dumpdates and fstab.
22:10 < Bradipo> But that much is obvious...
22:11 < Bradipo> How does it know that it needs to be dumped?
22:11 < phy1729> The fstab column?
22:11 < Bradipo> Maybe I'm not asking with sufficient clarity... :-)
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22:12 < Bradipo> The fact that an entry exists in both fstab and dumpdates isn't sufficient to tell me that it needs to be dumped.
22:12 < Bradipo> Maybe I only want to dump once a month.
22:12 < Bradipo> So why do I get reminded daily that the filesystem needs to be dumped?
22:14 < phy1729> "The value specifies the number of days after which a dump is regarded as being old; if it is not present, a value of zero is returned and dump(8) will assume that the filesystem does not need to be dumped."
22:14 < phy1729> In fairness that's in the fstab man page
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22:14 < Bradipo> Is it just a really "dumb" check that says "if a filesystem is listed in /etc/fstab and it's listed in /etc/dumpdates, bother the admin?"
22:14 < Bradipo> Ahh, it's in the fstab man page!
22:15 < Bradipo> Ok, maybe the dump(8) man page could include a pointer to look at fstab(5).
22:15 < Bradipo> Thanks for the pointer.
22:16 < Bradipo> Ok, looks like I could potentially disable the notification using a fs_freq value of 0.
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22:20 < Bradipo> More realistically though I'll probably set it to something further out.
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22:51 < dansa> I just patched my system with `pkg_add -u` followed by `syspatch`. It's time to reboot. Just wondering---is that all?
22:52 < uwharrie> fw_update?
22:55 < dansa> Good call.
22:55 < dansa> $ fw_update     
22:55 < dansa> fw_update: add none; update intel; keep inteldrm,iwx,uvideo,vmm
22:55 < dansa> That was the output, revealing my hardware. :>
22:58 < pardis> I would do syspatch and pkg_add -u in the opposite order. it probably doesn't make any difference with syspatch, but it does with sysupgrade, and it seems needlessly inconsistent to update base and packages in the opposite order sometimes
22:58 < thrig> sysmerge
22:58 < thrig> maybe sysclean
23:00 < uwharrie> but if you're using sysupgrade, it'll do most all of that for you
23:01 < morpho> hrmm, what if a port uses a release from 10 years ago, but the github shows activity from this year?
23:01 < morpho> would it be better to change to the git release?
23:02 < joepublic> in the abstract, no.  in a specific case, possibly yes, possibly no.
23:03 < morpho> looks like they got rid of autotools and changed to gmake at some point between
23:04 < pardis> only if the project is liblzma
23:05 < uwharrie> it also might be better to completely drop the port if no one has noticed in 10 years
23:05 < vortexx> sysmerge -p has been mentionedo of late for -current users
23:05 < vortexx> -o
23:05 < Bradipo> Well, I used the old version of qcad that was in ports for many years without problems...
23:05 < Bradipo> It just continued to work, it would have been a shame to drop it just because someone hadn't bothered to update to the latest.
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23:10 < vortexx> PyR3X: congrats on getting hmdm-server committerd
23:10 < vortexx> -r
23:10 < vortexx> bloody plaster getting in the way of proper typing
23:10 < PyR3X> Thanks for testing!
23:10 < vortexx> you're welcome!
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23:42 < mischief> Bradipo: might give solvespace a go
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23:46 < Bradipo> Hmm, I might have to.  The one thing that keeps me locked into qcad is the UI and hot keys.
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23:48 < mischief> solvespace has no shortage of hotkeys.
23:55 < Bradipo> So far the interactions with the mouse seem sensible.
23:56 < Bradipo> I'll have to say, it's definitely an odd interface.
23:57 < mischief> i have no experience with other cad software, so no idea myself
23:57 < mischief> i have made and printed a few 3d models with solvespace though
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