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03:01 < seninha> morpho, join #9front here at libera.chat
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03:39 < izder456> morpho: from here: https://wiki.9front.org/openbsd-vmm
03:39 < izder456> Note that even though you might not have a chance to modify plan9.ini before booting, stopping boot process with an early hit of a key, typing an additional configuration in, and then boot<ENTER> is ought to work. Running drawterm is out of scope here though.
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03:45 < leah> the only problem with building large ports is, sometimes you build it and by the time it's done, you go to install your package and the dependencies got updated in packages
03:45 < leah> then you have a mismatch
03:46 < leah> (i use "make package")
03:47 < leah> yeah so i build librewolf, but then ffmpeg updates in snapshots. it's in RUN_DEPENDS for html5 video
03:48 < leah> not a bug. just the perils of building from ports with snapshots
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03:49 < leah> anyway, my port does build, on two more machines. now that i know it's reliable, i'll submit the port for review.
03:50 < leah> in that specific instance, i colud probably modify the package post-build and just fiddle with the ffmpeg dependency, since it's a run_depend
03:51 < leah> i'm not sure if librewolf uses ffmpeg as a library or just runs it
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03:55 < thrig> objdump -p some-binary | grep NEEDED
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04:05 < leah> yeah. no worries
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06:14 < cgnarne> morpho: read the fqa at https://fqa.9front.org/ If you need help after that join #cat-v on oftc or send me a msg here
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12:05 < leah> i fgigured out my problem
12:06 < leah> pkg_add -Dunsigned -Dsnap /path/to/my/compiled/package.tgz
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12:06 < leah> but i forgot -Dsnap earlier, and i'm on snapshots. that's why it couldn't find the ffmpeg package, because the newer one wasn't there
12:06 < leah> now it works
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13:11 < leah> https://mas.to/@libreleah/116425868880318576
13:12 < leah> ^ librewolf in openbsd, compiled this morning on my thinkpad x280. yes.
13:15 < cgnarne> nice
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13:16 < leah> i wanted to make sure it compiled. i built it on my main dev machine. now that it compiles on *2* machines, it's ready to submit to ports
13:16 < leah> after that, another TODO: fix my audio
13:16 < leah> i'm using a usb audio dac, but sometimes the audio gots really like a robot, like, electrical noise. obsd likely isn't doing good buffering or something
13:17 < leah> so when there's not enough samples it just goes shit
13:17 < leah> only happens on the usb dac
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13:17 < morpho> sndio can be fiddled with
13:17 < leah> i use it all the time on linux. it's dragonfly red, paired with akg headphones. really nice quality.
13:18 < morpho> i was using a midi keyboard with sndio and remember you can change the buffer size and stuff. been a while though
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13:22 < leah> i'll fiddle with it later. but yes apparently i can do it with e.g.
13:22 < leah> sndiod -b 48000 -z 1200
13:23 < morpho> sndio is very easy to write to
13:24 < morpho> also wrote some additive synthesis stuff with it
13:25 < leah> well that seems to do the trick anyway
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13:28 < morpho> hrmm, what would a obsd first wayland compositor look like? As i understand wayland assumes some kind of gpu where as xorg can be software rendered
13:29 < sibiria> isn't Weston software-rendered?
13:29 < morpho> a lot of the projects ive seen use meson or cmake and crap so converting to bsd-make would be one requirement i guess
13:30 < sibiria> the reference renderer
13:30 < sibiria> compositor*
13:30 < morpho> errr... i think mesa can provide a software rendered vulkan/opengl driver 
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13:31 < morpho> looks like opengl-es
13:32 < morpho> there must be a better way than shimming all the loonixisms
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13:37 < humm> morpho: wayland doesn’t assume anything gpu-related; you can use shared memory for surfaces
13:38 < humm> but more importantly, what do you mean by “obsd first”?
13:39 < humm> what issues are there with existing compositors?
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13:41 < morpho> they could never be included in base
13:44 < morpho> i just use cwm with xorg. but there are bsd libraries like kqueue, sndio, wscons and so on, you could write to instead of the linux ones
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13:52 < humm> libwayland-server uses epoll and epoll-shim uses kqueue; wlroots uses libinput and libinput-openbsd reads wscons
13:52 < humm> wayland doesn’t deal in sound
13:53 < humm> I agree libwayland’s event loop should use poll and possibly optionally kqueue and I agree wlroots should get a wscons backend
13:54 < humm> but that’s not, like, very important
13:54 < humm> and it’s worth asking why you’d want a compositor in base
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14:00 < morpho> i was an early adopted of wayland in like 2017 and at that time is was missing a lot of features
14:01 < morpho> but its so much easier to reason about than xorg, which i think fits in with obsd concerns for an easy to configure system
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14:04 < leah> wasn't there alreadyy some work done to implement a wayland compositor on openbsd?
14:05 < leah> wlroots might be nice to put in base, irrespective of licensing, because of this:
14:05 < leah> https://wayback.freedesktop.org/
14:05 < leah> a friend of mine started this a while ago. it implements a full xserver inside a wayland compositor, using xwayland, and can run full desktops. no dual monitor support yet tho.
14:06 < leah> when obsd goes wayland officially, wayback might also be a good replacement for xenocara (entirely), except on some older exotic hardware.
14:06 < joepublic> irrespective of licensing?
14:06 < leah> the idea is very simple: only maintain wayland support, and the x server is just a basic shim, reducing the attack surface for x11 applications
14:07 < leah> actually
14:07 < leah> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayback/wayback/-/blob/main/LICENSE?ref_type=heads
14:07 < leah> i said irrespectively pre-defensively, not sure which license. but it's MIT so should be BSD friendly
14:07 < leah> ariadne started this project a while ago (alpine linux lady)
14:08 < leah> really cool project
14:08 < leah> when this is fully stable, she has told me that she wishes to use this in alpine, replacing xorg entirely
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14:09 < leah> i was also told that they're thinking about ways to make wayland applications work inside x11, via wayback. but i'm unsure if any work was actually done for that
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14:10 < humm> there are wayland compositors that run on OpenBSD; take a look at /usr/ports/wayland
14:10 < leah> if such a thing were to be implemented, i think that would be ideal from an openbsd perspective
14:10 < uwharrie> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/wayland
14:10 < leah> ah, yes
14:10 < leah> well, openbsd likes to keep things simple. so from an openbsd perspective, they could theoretically import wayback, and use it by default, but still hook xenodm and stuff, and ship with the same desktops as usual
14:11 < uwharrie> no need to replace anything or expect the project to change
14:11 < leah> while gradually modifying them
14:11 < leah> are you telling me i can already run wayland properly on openbsd?
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14:11 < leah> > https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/wayland
14:11 < humm> pretty much, yes
14:11 < leah> i wonder why this isn't documented yet
14:11 < humm> wdym documented?
14:12 < humm> you install packages and run what’s inside
14:12 < leah> nothing in the FAQ section
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14:12 < leah> though that is for base, and i assume base dosen't have wayland yet
14:12 < uwharrie> the project doesn't tend to put an FAQ entry for every package available
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14:12 < leah> right, only base
14:13 < humm> maybe it would be good to mention wayland in the faq
14:13 < uwharrie> why?
14:13 < leah> cuz a lot of peopple avoid openbsd literally because they think it doesn't have working wayland yet
14:13 < morpho> theres lodes of great features in openbsd that are not very well publicised
14:13 < leah> if more people knew, that would drive adoption
14:13 < uwharrie> if people avoid openbsd because they can't do research, that's probably a good thing
14:13 < morpho> ive got sway working fine, some input issues
14:14 < humm> uwharrie: that’s elitist nonsense; the research can be made easier
14:14 < leah> damn. well i've got several machines since the last few days, now with openbsd configured
14:14 < leah> i'll try wayland on one of them
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14:15 < leah> is there current efforts though to put something wayland-based in the base system?
14:15 < morpho> all it needs is "openbsd ships with xorg, fvwm, twm and cwm. additionally, other windowing systems can be installed such as lxde, kde or sway (wayland)"
14:15 < humm> leah, I don’t think so
14:15 < morpho> thats what i was asking
14:15 < leah> perhaps i could try something
14:15 < humm> how would that look like?
14:16 < leah> wayback
14:16 < leah> put wayback in base, make it the default xserver. and help them finish it to make it ready, e.g. add dual monitor support, and (maybe) make it possible to run native wayland applications inside wayback
14:16 < leah> that's the most ideal way for openbsd i think, because it would be the least invasive to existing infra
14:17 < uwharrie> humm: not trying to be elitist, just that I see a lot of project get bikeshedded to death with demanding entitled users. this project only tends to listen to people willing to do their research and submit patches
14:17 < morpho> i have the time to do the work but its quite an invasive project so would want some direction with design
14:17 < leah> i want to be ten thousand percent clear that i make no demands. i'm just spitballing ideas. i may actually try integrating something myself.
14:18 < morpho> same ^
14:18 < humm> uwharrie: demanding entitled users has nothing to do with mentioning things that exist in the faq
14:18 < morpho> i really appreciate that every feature *works* instead of being half-asses and forgotten about
14:20 < morpho> wayback seems ok but it feels like you are adding another layer to the already, very deep graphics stack
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14:23 < humm> yes it does
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14:26 < morpho> neuswc and neuwld seem fairly small codebases that implement a wayland compositor
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14:27 < morpho> i will try working on a port
14:27 < thrig> or wait another decade or two for wayland to get less bad
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14:31 < morpho> thrig: wdym? it doesnt work well with nvidea, what does?
14:32 < marfan_ginger> just chiming in as an end-user that I really appreciate all the folks donating time and skills to the project. Hope that's not OT to say here
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15:37 < leah> ok then
15:37 < leah> i've submitted my librewolf port, to the ports mailing list.
15:38 < leah> fingers crossed that they merge it for 7.9. i know it's cutting close, but it's pretty much only the most conservative changes relative to www/firefox, and librewolf tightly follows firefox upstream, so i don't anticipate many problems in review.
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15:50 < renaud> leah: your mail landed in ports@
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16:35 < leah> renaud: strange though, i see it in archives on the website, but i haven't received the mail yet. my guess is maybe the server sends out in big batches or something
16:36 < leah> glad it landed anyway. hopefully they will like my work.
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17:47 < leah> yeah, is there some default setting where i don't receive mail?
17:47 < leah> i sent to the list just fine, but it's not emailing me anything
17:51 < thrig> batching is not the default; maybe you didn't actually subscribe?
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17:56 < cgnarne> can you send a mail without being a subscriber?
17:56 < sibiria> yes
17:56 < sibiria> you get a confirmation link returned to you
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18:47 < leah> yeah, subscribe apparently did not succeed
18:47 < leah> will try again
18:47 < leah> weird though, because *i got someone elses port*
18:47 < leah> someone send a new port called rsgain and i received that email
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18:49 < leah> ok
18:49 < leah> The address
18:49 < leah>   Leah Rowe <info@minifree.org>
18:49 < leah> is already subscribed to the ports mailing list as
18:49 < leah>   Leah Rowe <info@minifree.org>
18:49 < leah> just me being a leah. disregard.
18:50 < leah> i think i must have been added to the list *after* i send my email, and that's why i didn't get the reply. or perhaps it doesn't re-send the mail i already sent; but then presumably i would see replies to my email
18:50 < leah> that's what i'm guessing
18:51 < leah> because why send me back an email that i myself sent to the list?
18:51 < leah> that of course is how gnu mailman lists work. and that's what i'm used to dealing with. never mind
18:52 < leah> my next job is to install *net*bsd, on a currently unused computer
18:52 < leah> i'm going to port librewolf there too, for good measure. and then probably dragonfly too, if not already ported
18:52 < leah> bsd users everywhere, deserve a decent web browser
18:52 < leah> freebsd has it already
18:53 < leah> i may also port it to haikuos for shits and giggles
18:55 < leah> netbsd 11 is coming up. gonna see if i can sneak librewolf into their release ;)
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20:12 < leah> i so cannot be bothered to run netbsd. i'll just eyeball a librewolf port for them and send it. then *they* can build it and test it. yes. only when someone reports success will i test it myself.
20:12 < leah> using the package they... built for me. and then i'll just, like, not assume maintainership. whoever maintains firefox can maintain it. because i'll do the same method as on obsd: copy ff and make minimal changes
20:13 < leah> their system is so crap to work with, and i hate reading netbsd docs. it's all over the place. but i want them to have librewolf :)
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20:19 < humm> leah, I recommend not sending stuff you don’t care to care for
20:20 < leah> i will care for it.
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20:21 < leah> no idea why they put hashes for their own patch files inside distinfo
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20:23 < leah> they have a lot more patches for their firefox port, versus openbsd's port
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20:28 < leah> i *use* openbsd. netbsd is a fun toy
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20:48 < fro> oh ok
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21:22 < leah> netbsd firefox has mozjemalloc. i had issues with that on openbsd. it's on my todo to fix in obsd.
21:23 < leah> obsd doesn't use mozjemalloc on firefox either. i also disable it in librewolf there. it's mozilla's custom allocator, which improves memory efficiency by chunking all allocations in larger ones, and thereby reducing the number of syscalls
21:24 < leah> but they way it works is they redefine various memory-related syscalls, in ways that are ABI-incompatible with openbsd
21:24 < leah> netbsd has some patching to fix it, in their ff port
21:24 < leah> (i'm digging through netbsd now, to port librewolf)
21:24 < humm> as in, they provide their own mmap function?
21:24 < leah> i'll look in more detail. but they enable mozjemalloc
21:25 < leah> let me check
21:25 < humm> they as in mozjemalloc
21:25 < leah> oh, right
21:25 < leah> will they do stuff like.....
21:25 < leah> #define malloc WHATEVER
21:25 < leah> and WHATEVER (i don't remember the name, i can check tho) expands to something else
21:26 < leah> it's all a bit cursed, but basically with it enabled, you then call functions like e.g. malloc/free directly. but mozilla is replacing it at build time
21:26 < leah> and it calls the real allocator on your system
21:26 < leah> but because it intercepts in this way, it can then do larger allocations
21:26 < humm> I see
21:26 < leah> and in so doing, lots of tiny allocations don't cause repeated stress on the system allocator
21:27 < leah> this would especially benefit openbsd, whose allocator is a bit less performant than on other unices
21:27 < leah> and it reduces memory fragmentation
21:27 < leah> i know mozilla has this feature, because i initially got screwed by it when building for openbsd. because librewolf was hardcoding use of it in a mozconfig - my port currently disables mozjemalloc, so that mozilla just always uses openbsd's allocator directly
21:28 < leah> it's actually really clever the way it works, in firefox
21:28 < leah> just grep ff src for mozjemalloc
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21:28 < leah> it's a bunch of macros and they do it for each OS
21:28 < leah> (except the BSDs)
21:29 < leah> (netbsd patches it so it works on their system)
21:29 < humm> I think the more common way to do custom allocators is to link with custom malloc, realloc, free functions
21:29 < leah> i *did* attempt to patch mozjemalloc to work on openbsd
21:29 < leah> i got it to build, but it segfaulted
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21:30 < leah> will try again later. for now, both ff and lw disable mozjemalloc in their ports tree
21:30 < leah> (obsd disables it)
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21:31 < leah> a large bottleneck on the system allocator is likely the javascript engine, for example
21:31 < leah> especially for very complex javascript programs. it will cause many small allocations, in quick succession
21:31 < leah> that causes a lot of overhead on openbsd
21:31 < thrig> bad bloatware gonna suck
21:32 < leah> yes, quite
21:32 < leah> but you know. it's cursed in the most beautiful way possible.
21:42 < leah> doing it that way also allows you to debug stuff more easily i suppose
21:43 < leah> there is a whole program in mozilla for inspecting heap memory
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21:44 < leah> chromium is much better than ff imo. much better code quality, they handle privsep really well, and their javascript engine is much better optimised
21:45 < leah> we need a librewolf-like thing for chromium
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21:46 < leah> nobody can beat google's js engine
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21:50 < humm> we need /more/ user agents and we need it to be easier to write user agents
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22:03 < morpho> useragents mean nothing
22:03 < morpho> they fingerprint you based off tls handshake now
22:04 < morpho> ja4
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22:39 < sibiria> leah: isn't ungoogled chromium it?
22:39 < sibiria> it's quite close, even if they don't throw as many anti-fingerprinting options at it
22:42 < quinq> web can't work without a super-optimized JS engine
22:43 < morpho> web is awful
22:44 < sibiria> yeah there's no way a browser can be usable unless it can bench really well in SunSpider etc.
22:45 < sibiria> needs 85mb js-jit engine or nothing
22:45 < morpho> is this sarcasm o_o
22:45 < fro> is this #browsers
22:46 < morpho> one reason i like openbsd is chromium comes hardened by default
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22:51 < sibiria> even v8's efforts are lost these days in the bloat
22:51 < sibiria> slack web, to take an example, is horrendously slow
22:52 < sibiria> who wins? v8 or the turd developers at slack?
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