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01:07 < leah> btw
01:07 < leah> https://codeberg.org/libreboot/lbmk/src/branch/master/util/libreboot-utils
01:07 < leah> it doesn't work on openbsd yet - and it generalyl isn't finished yet either
01:08 < leah> but this is a hardened implementation of mktemp focused on mitigating various toctou attacks
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01:08 < leah> i'm mainly targeting it at *linux*, because it makes heavy use of openat2. but it has a fallback and is still useful on obsd. i will submit this to ports in the future.
01:09 < leah> but when the code is complete/correct/stable (currently  it is WIP), i might propose it in base, alongside the current implementation
01:09 < thrig> good thing programmers (and now also LLM) have stopped writing /tmp vulns
01:09 < leah> ?
01:10 < leah> anyway i'll probably re-license it later under openbsd's isc license for that reason
01:11 < leah> anyway it's called mkhtemp. hardened mktemp. once this is finished, and stable, i reckon this would sit quite nicely in openbsd src repo
01:11 < leah> mkhtemp == hardened mktemp
01:11 < leah> i was really bored recently and wanted to implement atomic writes in another program. and me being me, i decided that mktemp was lame so i wrote my own. and one thing led to another :)
01:13 < leah> it currently segfaults on openbsd, most likely because the way i handle strings is a bit shit - i sometimes set up strings in a fuction and just return a pointer, without using malloc. probably openbsd is different than linux, even for short-lived code. cuz in some path strings all i get is gibberish in openbsd.
01:13 < leah> i'll properly refactor it and fix it later. it works in linux
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01:14 < leah> i wanted to challenge myself in the most autistically obsessed way possible, by writing a program that opens, reads, writes and closes files in the most secure way possible, in userspace
01:15 < oldlaptop> "it segfaults on openbsd", in almost every case, means it only pretends to work anywhere else by accident.
01:15 < oldlaptop> the compiler and operating system have chosen to give you the "right answer" today, the nasal demons are tomorrow
01:15 < leah> yeah, like i said, the code is a bit lazy in places. there are some parts of the code where i'm literally not using heap memory for strings and such
01:16 < leah> i'll just return a pointer
01:16 < thrig> mallet-bearing monitor gnomes are another option
01:17 < leah> i'm going to rewrite half of the code when i can be assed, so it works more nicely. properly initialise strings for return (using heap)
01:17 < leah> there is one part of the code that does work nicely on openbsd though, and that's rset()
01:18 < leah> i modeled it after arc4random_buf. it's a portable rand that uses arc4random or getrandom depending on your os. and it's designed with the same mentality as arc4random_buf: never return error, ever.
01:18 < pardis> in one particular case, you can even get an abort on OpenBSD for code that pretends to work anywhere else
01:20 < leah> arc4random_buf(void *buf, size_t n) -- but i use: rset(void *buf, size_t n)
01:20 < leah> then i get good rand portably on bsd and linux
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01:21 < pardis> libbsd not good enough?
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01:21 < leah> too much bloat.
01:22 < leah> and if i call arc4random directly, i might get the lame one on linux, if the user has glibc. don't wanna chance it
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01:47 < leah> curious
01:47 < leah> i'm cleaning up my librewolf port, which inherits a lot of logic from the firefox port that i based it on
01:48 < leah> the firefox port and my librewolf port are copying .js files (preferences) both to ${PREFIX}/lib/${MOZILLA_PROJECT}/defaults/pref/ and ${PREFIX}/lib/${MOZILLA_PROJECT}/defaults/preferences/
01:48 < leah> as far as i know, the mozilla code just reads both locations, and applies whatever it finds in both
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01:48 < leah> preferences being the modern one
01:49 < leah> i'll leave it for now, and adapt accordingly
01:49 < leah> the firefox port duplicates a bunch of strings. i'm generalising everything in my librewolf port
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01:53 < leah> anything that exceeds 79 characters per line offends me and must be corrected.
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02:06 < leah> gonna see if i can nick netbsd's mozjemalloc fix
02:06 < leah> it might work in openbsd!
02:07 < leah> then openbsd could use mozjemalloc, for faster malloc in librewolf (and lower memory usage). if that works, i'll submit a patch to www/mozilla-firefox and www/tor-browser as well
02:08 < leah> obsd's malloc is really slow. doing lots of mallocs inside mozilla's js engine is really slow on openbsd. not in a way that should affect most openbsd users in practise, since they tend to be quite conservative about everything, but still.  it irks me
02:08 < leah> that's what mozjemalloc is for. just do one big malloc at a time and mozilla does small allocations inside those chunks
02:08 < leah> but it currently doesn't work on obsd at all
02:09 < leah> but netbsd fixed it in their firefox port
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04:15 < leah> done
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04:15 < leah> https://paste.debian.net/plainh/e4d69d07
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04:15 < leah> 79 characters or less, per line. i'm really anal about this.
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04:50 < Ozymandias42> leah: sounds like user space hugepages 
04:50 < Ozymandias42> the mozjemalloc thing
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04:54 < leah> i haven't read that code in detail
04:54 < leah> i just know what it does, from reading documentation about it
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04:55 < leah> i did skim some of the code
04:55 < leah> it's really just the js engine that benefits from it probably. everything else is meh.
04:56 < leah> the whole concept of it is justt massive code smell imo, but hey, it is what it is
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04:56 < leah> like, instead of intercepting literally every malloc/free, you could just, idk, manage memory more efficiently
04:57 < leah> reimplementing malloc in userspace is cursed
04:57 < leah> it probably doesn't even affect most workloads
04:57 < leah> i haven't done any detailed benchmarking with it
04:58 < leah> but i can imagine a very, very very very large javascript program that handles lots of data will trigger lots of small malloc calls
04:58 < leah> the overhead of each call is expensive, hence implementing something like mozjemalloc
04:58 < leah> that overhead is higher on openbsd
04:59 < dlg> sure it's malloc and not something else being slow?
04:59 < leah> i have half a mind to just, not fix it
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06:23 < leah> https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/commit/72d065a787031c75d3f5c680f65917034a132be1
06:23 < leah> ^ testing building with this patch, which enables mozjemalloc. patch taken from NetBSD
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06:25 < leah> i really wish these bsd systems would just switch to got/git already ngl
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06:27 < librecat> leah: why not just base on the firefox port?
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06:31 < IcePic> leah: I think most javascript things make a huuuuge alloc and handles things inside themselves instead of asking the OS for many small allocs
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06:40 < leah> librecat: i did
06:40 < leah> i copied openbsd www/firefox and modified it heavily
06:41 < leah> the main thing is that librewolf uses a mozconfig. i could have removed that, and re-used most of openbsd's autoconf setup
06:41 < leah> however, my policy is to match upstream so i modified my copy of the ff port to handle configuration via modified mozconfig
06:42 < leah> IcePic: that was just a guess. i know know what mozjemalloc does, not where it's used. js engine was an educated guess.
06:42 < leah> i'm building now with these changes, relative to the last tarball i sent to the mailing list:
06:43 < leah> tidy up makefile (mostly cleaning up the mess in www/firefox): https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/commit/c818d44d36ab10ace1834fe48f6e3d088bdaf56a
06:43 < IcePic> leah: I think the js behaviour was its own problem, especially for JIT where it would gladly allocate 1GB on 32bit hosts "just in case" and you would quickly run into 1G memory limits on i386 for instance
06:43 < leah> test netbsd's mozjemalloc patch: https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/commit/72d065a787031c75d3f5c680f65917034a132be1
06:43 < leah> (it will likely make mozjemalloc work on openbsd)
06:43 < leah> if this works nicely, i'll make a "submit4" branch and a new tarball for openbsd ports list
06:44 < leah> however
06:44 < leah> *if* mozjemalloc works, i won't turn it on by default in the new version i send openbsd
06:44 < leah> it'll be opt-in, via some environmental variable
06:45 < IcePic> this and the next 2-3 slides was from ariane@ on the problems with browser JIT for javascript gobbling up memory: https://www.openbsd.org/papers/slackathon2011_64bitandjit/mgp00005.html
06:45 < leah> e.g. .if defined(MOZILLA_USE_MOZJEMALLOC)
06:45 < IcePic> so, my knowledge is kind of limited and old
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06:45 < leah> and if that is defined (by default it won't be), then enable mozjemalloc
06:45 < leah> this would maintain behaviour relative to www/firefox
06:46 < leah> i will read what you've linked
06:46 < IcePic> but if "almost noone" is goign to set the flag, that flavor of mozilla will be largely untested, and I'm not sure if that is a good thing 
06:46 < leah> netbsd makes it configurable too btw. you can turn mozjemalloc on or off there
06:46 < IcePic> sounds a bit like fbsd, "we have knobs for 1000 security features, but noone turns them on, because it might cause issues"
06:46 < leah> does www/firefox (and by extension librewolf) even get compiled on 32-bit intel anymore?
06:47 < leah> the ff makefile says amd64 aarch64 and riscv64 only
06:47 < IcePic> no, I think both FF and chrome needs cross compiling in order to get built for i386 on the OSes that do ship it
06:47 < IcePic> and that is not how obsd does things
06:47 < leah> yeah like, one rust build thread uses about 6-8gb on my system
06:47 < leah> the linker stage is hell too
06:48 < leah> yes openbsd is against cross compiling, except during early porting work to new architectures
06:48 < leah> and the reason why is perfectly sound
06:48 < leah> you want to ensure that each port is self hosting
06:49 < leah> i don't care about 32-bit anyway
06:49 < leah> i mean i do but.... 32-bit users can use dillo
06:49 < leah> that's fine
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07:03 < leah> i think after this, i'm pretty much done. future maintenance notwithstanding.
07:03 < leah> my tests indicate that CONFIGURE_ENV works - e.g. setting cflags and such.
07:04 < leah> CONFIGURE_ARGS is ignored by librewolf, due to mozconfig. when a mozconfig is used, any arguments given to CONFIGURE_SCRIPT are ignored
07:04 < leah> i assume CONFIGURE_ENV sets environmental variables. i tested this. variables that i add seem to get added inside mozilla's build system.
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07:05 < leah> pending any further modification requests by openbsd ports team, my port is pretty solid now
07:06 < leah> they told me it won't land in 7.9. to be expected, given timing.
07:06 < IcePic> yes, that ship sailed a while ago
07:06 < leah> i wonder if leaving mozjemalloc enabled by default makes sense though. i mean, it can't hurt
07:06 < leah> it's designed to make the program use *less* memory, and reduce memory fragmentation
07:06 < IcePic> of course it could hurt, if it makes the browser gets more unstable
07:07 < leah> well mozjemalloc is pretty solid
07:07 < IcePic> there are a number of projects that change to tcmalloc and jemalloc where they start to crash more than before
07:07 < leah> the thing that failed in the openbsd build was an ABI mismatch in the exception handler
07:07 < IcePic> now that may be because of internal reasons, but it doesn't make it less true
07:07 < leah> point taken
07:08 < leah> well openbsd has never enabled mozjemalloc, in the history of firefox being in openbsd
07:08 < leah> i checked.
07:08 < leah> so
07:08 < leah> continuing to not enable it probably can't hurt
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07:12 < leah> .if !empty(PKG_OPTIONS:Mmozilla-jemalloc)
07:12 < leah> CONFIGURE_ARGS+= --enable-jemalloc
07:12 < leah> CONFIGURE_ARGS+= --enable-replace-malloc
07:12 < leah> .else
07:12 < leah> CONFIGURE_ARGS+= --disable-jemalloc
07:12 < leah> #.include "../../devel/jemalloc/buildlink3.mk"
07:12 < leah> .endif
07:12 < leah> that's from netbsd's firefox port. alongside their patch, that i'm testing in openbsd
07:15 < IcePic> kind of interesting, the internetz seem to claim that netbsd libc malloc is based on jemalloc
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07:19 < dg> often not enabling an alternative malloc is a deliberate choice, so MALLOC_OPTIONS, etc. apply to the most possible things
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07:20 < IcePic> perhaps this was something nbsds pkgsrc did for other non-jemalloced OSes they hope to run on
07:29 < leah> yeah, the fix didn't work
07:29 < leah> and i can't be bothered to do literally more than i just tried. so i just won't fix/enable mozjemalloc
07:31 < morpho> think freebsd use jemalloc too
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11:57 < polarian> ugh another issue 
11:57 < polarian> so I was right, the reason OpenBSD can not see the drive was due to the sata mode
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11:57 < polarian> I fixed that, dunno why dell has weird defaults
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11:58 < polarian> everything working fine, unless you try to do a FDE (passphrase) install in which installboot fails 
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11:58 < polarian> I have not been able to work around it 
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11:58 < polarian> can anyone else reproduce this
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11:58 < polarian> ohhhh 
11:58 < polarian> wait I know why this is 
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11:58 < polarian> duh OpenBSD defaults to gpt 
11:58 < polarian> but its bios booting
11:58 < polarian> so it must be mbr 
11:58 < polarian> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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11:59 < sibiria> you'll be better off disabling CSM, really
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11:59 < sibiria> as suggested the other day
11:59 < polarian> sibiria: no because it will eventually be {core,libre}booted
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11:59 < polarian> and I dont use EFI payloads
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12:01 < polarian> it is technically possible to bios boot gpt, but I dont believe OpenBSD supports it 
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12:02 < polarian> in any case mbr bios, gpt uefi and you cant go wrong :p
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12:18 < vortexx> polarian: yes, OpenBSD doesn't allow mixing like that
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12:19 < polarian> vortexx: yeah I am aware :p
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12:19 < polarian> I know you can with Linux 
12:19 < polarian> funny enough I have made this mistake many times, it is annoying that OpenBSD defaults to gpt 
12:19 < xoddf2> Hmm, even this old 240p 30fps video drops frames in ungoogled-chromium (with intel-vaapi-driver and "Video Decode" listed as "Hardware accelerated" in chrome://gpu): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlQYGi40S80
12:19 < polarian> a potential improvement to the installer would be to detect the boot mode, and then adjust the defaults accordingly 
12:20 < polarian> so if its bios booted, then default to mbr, if its efi booted, then default to efi
12:20 < xoddf2> I think this Haswell Core i3 is just too old or something (but I think it works under Debian and FreeBSD).
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12:21 < xoddf2> This one misses notches in ungoogled-chromium, but it plays properly in mpv under light load: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyxixzi2dgQ
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12:23 < polarian> xoddf2: have you tried firefox?
12:24 < phy1729> fwiw in .config/mpv/mpv.conf you can set a max resolution for ytdlp to fetch which helps with not making an old laptop a cooking surface when playing 4K videos    ytdl-raw-options=format-sort=res:1080
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12:25 < xoddf2> polarian: Yes (it's even worse)
12:27 < vortexx> polarian: it already does iirc
12:27 < polarian> vortexx: doesn't for me :/
12:27 < vortexx> it'll let you choose something else but warns it may not boot
12:27 < vortexx> try without fde and you'll see
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12:29 < polarian> vortexx: hmmm 
12:29 < polarian> so its fde which changes this then?
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12:35 < xoddf2> On another check, Firefox ESR drops frames only when playing 60 fps video.  At 30 fps, it works properly.
12:35 < xoddf2> ungoogled-chromium seems to drop just as many frames at both framerates.
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12:37 < xoddf2> (ungoogled-chromium drops a few to several frames per second at both framerates.  Firefox ESR drops few (if any) frames at 30 fps and roughly 20 per second at 60 fps.)
12:38 < sibiria> polarian: it defaults to gpt if it deems the platform booted off of efi. but you're always given the choice
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12:39 < sibiria> that is, gpt will be the pre-selected choice if you just press enter
12:40 < polarian> sibiria: I am aware I am always given a choice, I am confused why it was defaulting to gpt when I was bios booting, I assume it could be because of the fde option
12:40 < sibiria> iirc it just checks some output from dmesg and nothing else
12:40 < polarian> vortexx stated that changing the default already exists within the installer
12:41 < sibiria> if it sees "efifb" or such from dmesg, it assumes efi
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14:03 < leah> port built fine, with my cleanup changes. will submit new tarball now.
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14:07 < cjs> -current is now 7.9, which means that Theo probably will be announcing 7.9-release any day now
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14:10 < leah> there is one further change to make for my librewolf port, another inconsistency
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14:10 < leah> CONFIGURE_ARGS doesn't work, because it uses mozconfig, so i patch mozconfig and further modify it at build time, to compensate, via pre-configure rule. this is totally fine, but the mozconfig also has mk_add_options in it
14:11 < leah> this is inconsistent with additional use of CONFIGURE_ENV in the port makefile
14:12 < leah> the variables in CONFIGURE_ENV do get passed anyway, but since mozconfig (and mach generally) will handle these for the build, it might be cleaner to do away with CONFIGURE_ENV as well, in my port, and replicate what they are setting from mozconfig (inserting into it via pre-configure)
14:12 < librecat> leah: add options from both mozconfig?
14:12 < leah> yes
14:12 < librecat> remove any duplicatss
14:12 < leah> well, there is an alternative
14:12 < leah> remove the mozconfig
14:12 < librecat> i remember i made basilisk work once ;]
14:13 < leah> i doubt anyone has reviewed my port properly yet. obsd is in release mode
14:13 < librecat> leah: https://github.com/freetolga/Iceweasel/blob/master/.mozconfig
14:13 < leah> as soon as the dust has settled on 7.9, that's when they will begin reviewing my port in earnest
14:13 < leah> i want to make sure it's absolutely perfect in every conceivable reality
14:13 < librecat> You can take a few lines from my mozconfig
14:14 < librecat> use export CC=clang C++=clang++ 
14:14 < leah> well i hate the concept of mozconfig entirely
14:14 < librecat> leah: hmm you are right
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14:14 < librecat> Why arent they inline in the makefile right
14:14 < leah> right about what?
14:14 < leah> yes, that's what i'm saying
14:14 < leah> i've been hacking librewolf's mozconfig
14:15 < leah> but i think the best thing for me to do is actually delete the mozconfig entirely
14:15 < librecat> try
14:15 < leah> delete the mozconfig in pre-configure. then control everything from the Makefile
14:15 < librecat> its an unofficial port anyway
14:15 < leah> if i do this, and it works, i can make my port pretty much be exactly identical to the firefox port
14:15 < librecat> unofficial for librewolf pov
14:15 < librecat> yes i say follow firefox port
14:15 < librecat> they have the unveil patch to use download folder only
14:15 < leah> and from the perspective of getting my port into librewolf, this is likely to cause the least amount of friction
14:16 < leah> ironic, because i modified the mozconfig under the same premise
14:16 < leah> yes i was thinking about that too
14:16 < leah> mozconfig has to go
14:16 < leah> unveil does work though!
14:16 < leah> it already works in my librewolf port
14:16 < leah> i perfectly adapted the unveil/pledge rules from ff
14:17 < leah> well, i'll submit my tarball in its current state, but with a note on the same post, in the mailing list, that i intend to do away with mozconfig entirely, in a further submission
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14:24 < leah> yes. yes.
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14:24 < leah> i was trying to be as light-touch as possible, relative to upstream (librewolf)
14:24 < leah> but i should instead apply that mentality to www/firefox
14:24 < leah> be as close to *that* as possible, instead, but with librewolf's tarball.
14:24 < leah> we're not upstream. we can do whatever the hell we like.
14:25 < leah> removing mozconfig will remove any doubt; the problem now is that i can't be 100% sure all of the port logic applies. like if the ports system uses custom flags and such
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14:26 < leah> i did verify, through some quick testt patches, that stuff like CFLAGS gets passed through. environmental variables are honoured by the librewolf build system, even with mozconfig used; only the arguments passed to CONFIGURE_SCRIPT are ignored, hence my custom logic, but that custom logic essenitally reimplements the ports system.
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14:28 < leah> i'm happy with the port in its current state though. i'll leave this for a few days. i have other errands this week.
14:28 < leah> as i said, i doubt anyone will review my port earnestly anyway, not until after the dust has settled on the 7.9 release
14:28 < leah> i'll revisit my port this weekend
14:29 < leah> thanks
14:29 < miah> yay excited for librewolf port!
14:29 < renaud> you have got the right person listening for your ports, that's already good news
14:29 < leah> you mean landry?
14:29 < renaud> yes
14:30 < leah> that person responded quite positively to my port, on the mailing list, and this individual is indeed in charge of the firefox port
14:30 < renaud> hence why I say you have got the right person to look at it
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14:39 < leah> actualrly what am i saying. i won't wait until the weekend. that's not how i roll. i'll be back tonight. i do have things to do this evening. 
14:39 < leah> real life things. oh well.
14:40 < leah> i can either be a responsible adult, or i can make the most perfect openbsd port. not both.
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14:42 < miah> hrm... why not?
14:43 < miah> port can be developed other days and be perfect while still remaining responsible
14:45 < leah> i will say what i said on mastodon
14:46 < leah> i can rickroll myself at 4k (in librewolf) and use bittorrent. all my openbsd use cases are now covered.
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14:47 < miah> nicee
14:48 < leah> once librewolf is perfected (and it will be), i have more porting planned
14:48 < miah> thats exciting to hear!
14:48 < leah> libreboot lbmk, libreboot-utils. and a few random programs i use, some of which i also wrote myself.
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14:49 < leah> i'm making sure that everything *i use* works on openbsd. once that is done, i can make openbsd my main system (current main is debian). then ffor linux purposes, arch linux shall become my secondary os (for continued testing of my projects on linux). arch is already a secondary. so i'm simply replacing my primary system with not-linux
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14:50 < leah> i will only send libreboot-utils to ports though, once stable. (not stable on openbsd yet). lbmk is a build system, it wouldn't make sense to integrate it in another package manager.
14:50 < leah> lbmk builds coreboot images. and relies on a lot of linuxisms and GNUisms. should be feasible to make more portable.
14:51 < leah> like, lbmk is basically its own ports system for building firmware.
14:52 < leah> the next libreboot release will be built on openbsd, not linux
14:52 < leah> but i'm going to port some stuff to other BSDs too
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15:00 < miah> i recently switched my main desktop to openbsd, its a worthy goal. have most of my stuff working; only struggle is really zoom but that works in chromium.
15:01 < miah> i dont do nearly anything as complex as you though, don't spend much time in ports =)
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15:12 < Foxy_> cjs: OpenBSD 7.9 release scheduled for May 19 (etc/root/root.mail file in src/)
15:14 < cli> Still one month!
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15:19 < oldlaptop> that pretty routinely gets moved around as the nominal date approaches
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15:29 < byteskeptical> leah: sounds good, welcome
15:29 < byteskeptical> oldlaptop: any inside info we can take to polymarket?
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15:38 < phy1729> base has already moved on to -current
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15:39 < lts> I'm really happy with 7.8 so no worries
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16:43 < leah> if the release is may 19th, wouldn't that mean then that it was released 7 months after the previous release
16:43 < leah> ?
16:43 < leah> not that i'm too bothered, but i assumed openbsd was 6 months
16:43 < leah> i use -current anyway and don't care about -stable at all, no worries
16:46 < thrig> the release date is not set in stone and often wanders a bit. statistics should give you a rough release range
16:47 < phy1729> It used to be May 1 and Nov 1 always, but that's been more flexible after CDs were dropped iirc
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16:48 < leah> given that openbsd follows a branchless release model, i guess that means any new ports (such as my librewolf port) won't be merged in -current until after may 19th then, right?
16:49 < uwharrie> openbsd has tags, the cvs equivalent of branches
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16:49 < leah> yes, i saw that -current got changed to 7.9
16:49 < leah> ok that makes sense then
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16:50 < leah> btw, does openbsd support hdmi audio output at all (on some hardware), or not at all?
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16:50 < leah> i could never get hdmi audio output working, on any machine that i installed it onto
16:51 < leah> not a huge deal, there are workarounds (e.g. external converter and mix analog audio)
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16:52 < elarks> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=173054589721312&w=2
16:52 < leah> guess i could try something
16:53 < leah> would be nice to have. sometimes i plug my laptop into the living room tv to watch films with my family
16:53 < izder456> leah, its *approximately* every six months, sometimes its a little off
16:53 < leah> it's a bit hacky on other systems anyway
16:54 < lts> Now you just need to add a proper stereo system
16:54 < lts> HDMI handles the picture and USB/RCA the audio
16:54 < leah> i have a stereo system!
16:55 < leah> and a nice dac
16:55 < izder456> it probably won't get merged in time for the 7.9 release, as the ports tree is locked. i'd wait for the announcement in ports@ for the unlock before you submit it as to not annoy committers in the list
16:56 < leah> makes sense, otherwise they'd have to merge critical fixes pre-release into two branches
16:56 < leah> so they will delay some ports and tag ports later, for the release
16:56 < izder456> essentially
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16:57 < leah> i might host my own repo for the time being
16:57 < leah> for 7.9 especially
16:57 < izder456> that would go a long way. you could also add it to openbsd-wip. https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip
16:57 < izder456> just mail jasperla for commit access
16:57 < leah> would that make builds be available though?
16:58 < izder456> no its just a ports tree overlay
16:58 < leah> i won't bother. that's nice that this exists though
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16:58 < izder456> but people who are interested can try out your work and build it themselves. its not typical people have more than one PKG_PATH on their systems
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16:59 < leah> i just tell people to clone my port, which is in a git repo, into /usr/ports/www/librewolf
16:59 < leah> works for me
16:59 < izder456> that works as well
17:00 < leah> then i will keep my port up to date and submit updates periodically, to the mailing list.
17:00 < izder456> sounds like a good idea
17:00 < leah> get it reviewed and ready, and make the reviewers happy, then it can just go straight in when the tree is unlocked
17:00 < izder456> nice to meet you btw, i've been meaning to libreboot my optiplex but i don't have the means to currently
17:00 < leah> ah
17:01 < leah> what do you mean, by means? do you mean no external flasher?
17:01 < izder456> no external flasher, and very low income due to disability
17:01 < leah> all currently supported optiplexes can be flashed without external equipment
17:01 < izder456> its a 7010 MT
17:01 < leah> you can set a jumper on the motherboard, which unlocks the flash. then you can just run flashprog or flashrom. works on openbsd too
17:01 < izder456> i didn't know that, maybe i can do that sometime
17:01 < leah> boot with kern.securelevel=-1 temporarily, to make writes work
17:01 < polarian> izder456: also you can get clips for 50 cents on ali express
17:02 < polarian> they are single use pretty much
17:02 < leah> make sure to flash the seabios txtmode rom, for openbsd
17:02 < leah> also
17:02 < polarian> but they work
17:02 < leah> make sure your openbsd installation uses mbr-style partitioning
17:02 < izder456> i currently boot mbr cos i was planning on librebooting down the line
17:02 < leah> instructions here izder456 https://libreboot.org/docs/install/dell7010.html
17:02 < leah> and you can see there it shows how to set the jumper
17:02 < leah> do that, and boot openbsd with kern.securelevel=-1
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17:03 < leah> then you can run flashprog
17:03 < leah> i don't know if ./mk inject works on openbsd. i will test that now. there's a command you have to run in lbmk to insertt vendor blobs (conceptually similar to openbsd fw_update)
17:03 < leah> yes, i will try this now and get it working for you in openbsd. brb
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17:13 < f451> hi, are uboot issues best addressed to the bugs@ mailing list, or to arm@ (or even misc@)
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17:17 < f451> might be wrong, but i remember reading somewhere that uboot can do a vt on 169.* thinking if true it would be amazingly useful
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17:20 < thrig> 169.254.0.0/16 probably
17:21 < f451> ha! i wasnt tripping :D
17:21 < f451> https://docs.u-boot.org/en/latest/usage/netconsole.html
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17:22 < polarian> f451: shouldn't it go to bugs@
17:22 < polarian> ?
17:23 < polarian> I dont think the arch matters, sendbug would send it all to bugs@ anyways
17:23 < polarian> afaik!
17:23 < polarian> could be wrong
17:23 < f451> not using sendbug, asking on mail list
17:23 < vortexx> meh, checked misc@ to see if anyone had posted which qemu-system-aarch64 options to use to boot OpenBSD, not a thing in there apart from reports of not finding a working config
17:24 < polarian> welp
17:25 < polarian> i would say if you dont know post it to misc@
17:25 < f451> :D
17:25 < polarian> its the dumping ground for most things
17:25 < polarian> then if its in the wrong place you will likely be told where to fwd it to
17:25 < f451> yup
17:27 < vortexx> I found a while back this bunch of scripts for qemu that'll build you a qemu vm for various OSes and archs. OpenBSD/aarch64 isn't one of them but NetBSD/aarch64 is, going to try that and see if I can coax OpenBSD to boot on that
17:29 < vortexx> and I half expect misc@ to have most of my questions previously asked
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17:40 < sibiria> it will boot on qemu/aarch64 with the right settings. i built a few installations myself that way, for Oracle Cloud, before the miniroot/installer could boot there on its own
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17:46 < vortexx> was that with -machine virt or something else?
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17:52 < leah> i'm watching a show i liked as a kid, that i just finished torrenting. about 230GB worth.
17:53 < leah> i downloaded it in openbsd. and am watching it on openbsd. yay
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17:53 < leah> it's all super remastered and high quality, that's why 230gb
17:56 < leah> right. mustn't let myself be distracted. gotta make lbmk work, so izder456 can install libreboot on their openbsd machinne.
17:56 < leah> it's on my todo anyway to port lbmk
17:56 < leah> obsd doesn't come with GNU Make for some weird reason /s
17:57 < humm> nothing wrong with USE_GMAKE=Yes
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17:59 < thrig> or sometimes you can patch the Makefile to remove the gnuisms
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18:18 < vortexx> leah: OpenBSD tries not to rely on GNU tools as much as possible. pkg_add gmake if you really need it
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18:19 < sibiria> vortexx: i can't recall off the top of my head, but i can look the qemu invocation up in my notes a bit later for you
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18:22 < vortexx> sibiria: cheers! 
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18:30 < vortexx> just managed to boot the install78.iso in qemu-system-aarch64
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19:02 < vortexx> now to make it see the harddrive image I created...
19:04 < vortexx> qemu-system-aarch64 -M virt -cpu cortex-a53 -smp 4 -m 4g -bios QEMU_EFI.fd is the syntax I'm using
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19:21 < vortexx> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/will/docs/qemu/qemu-arm64-howto.html this is proving of use, but make sure to use cortex-a53 and not whatever that cpu option they're using. Didn't know about the varstore.img thing, that seems to help
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19:35 < fro> -cpu max or host should work fine
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19:41 < fro> https://bpa.st/6IBA
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19:42 < fro> that works for me but obviously on a macbook
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19:50 < vortexx> thanks fro 
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19:50 < vortexx> I'll give -cpu max a go, install completed
19:52 < fro> in theory max is just "enable all the things available for this"
19:52 < vortexx> cpu0: SVE2p1,F64MM,F32MM,I8MM,SM4,SHA3,BF16+EBF,BitPerm,AES+PMULLFP exception in kernel
19:52 < fro> but i'm using -cpu host on an m1 macbook air
19:53 < vortexx> of course
19:54 < vortexx> host doesn't work on amd64, naturally
19:54 < vortexx> just tried cortex-a57, works
19:54 < fro> yeah
19:55 < vortexx> really need to get a secondhand or refurb mac mini
19:58 < vortexx> ok it booted to prompt
19:58 < vortexx> off to bed, I'll post my config tomorrow.
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20:15 < sibiria> vortexx: paste.debian.net/plainh/f269fdff
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21:45 < leah> i was joking
21:45 < leah> see: /s
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23:42 < Bradipo> When using fdisk to create/modify a GPT, there is the option to choose a "type" for the partition.
23:43 < Bradipo> When I save the GPT and then use "fdisk sd2" to display it, or "fdisk -v sd2", I don't see any notion of a "type" anywhere...
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23:43 < Bradipo> Does it even matter?  Is it used?
23:43 < Bradipo> Or should I just make all of them EF?
23:43 < Bradipo> Or is it just a bug in fdisk in not displaying the "type" to me?
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