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01:40 < leah> question
01:41 < leah> --with-unsigned-addon-scopes=app,system
01:41 < izder456> loopb, that was a serious inquiry
01:41 < leah> librewolf does this in autoconf args. firefox(openbsd) does not. it allows unsigned plugins in places like e.g. /usr/share/whatever
01:41 < izder456> done lightheartedly ofc
01:42 < leah> the idea is that since you trust root anyway, you trust them from these places. since root can replace your whole browser anyway.
01:42 < leah> but openbsd's firefox port doesn't enable this. only signed plugins (e.g. from mozilla store) are allowed
01:42 < leah> i doubt this was a conscious decision on their part; rather, firefox just doesn't enable unsigned anything by default
01:43 < leah> should my librewolf port for openbsd also remove the above option, or permit it
01:43 < leah> i can't think of any real security reason to exclude it, since root can replace your whole browser anyway, so i'm not concerned by what it loads
01:44 < leah> with these options, a user still cannot load unsigned plugins from just their profile, e.g. /home/johndoe/.librewolf
01:44 < leah> so basically i'm of two minds:
01:45 < leah> * 1) either i remove this option, bringing it in sync with obsd ff (no unsigned, ever), OR
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01:45 < leah> * 2) send www/mozilla-firefox (obsd port) a patch adding this (or don't. and still leave it on, in my lw port)
01:45 < leah> thoughts?
01:46 < leah> context: i've been auditing my librewolf port, and further hardening it, bringing it more in sync with obsd ff port. but still with librewolf's extra config, where appropriate.
01:47 < leah> i've consulted librewolf via #librewolf on libera, asking them why they added this in their config. waiting for their response.
01:47 < leah> i'm walking a fine line between staying close to upstream, while also staying close to openbsd hardening policy on ff
01:48 < leah> even with the fact about root, as argued, not allowing unsigned addons would mitigate another possibility: that another port or like, basically anything, might accidentaly write to the wrong directory, which could theoretically end up being a plugin directory (somewhere in /usr) for librewolf
01:48 < leah> but that latter point is rather weak, in my view
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04:27 < vortexx> izder456: couple of problems with your post: a) it should be formed as a patch to the relevant installer script if you're serious b) posting the faq url isn't of much help to the average new user installing the OS as you're in console mode and it can't be clicked. Even if ,say lynx, was included on the bsd.rd, which I doubt it ever will be, there's always the issue that network access may not be 
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04:27 < vortexx> configured through lack of firmware.
04:27 < vortexx> at best I'd say the snippet from faq could be printed if trimmed to explain why the sets are split up.
04:29 < vortexx> And as usual, the more the "sets are split up, why shouldn't I not install set xyz" is brought up, the closer Theo feels pushed towards "just do one big set and be done". This has been stated before many a time on mailing lists
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05:25 < thrig> that would make openbsd "tarred with the same brush"
05:27 < thrig> 1
05:27 < thrig> whoops
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05:41  * IcePic untars thrigs brush.tgz
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06:02 < cgnarne> if you stray from the default and break something you get to keep the pieces. has always been like that.
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06:23 < Ozymandias42> is there a way to get OpenBSD to accept a paravirtual GPU as DRM device? The viogpu driver only sees to create an efifb which does not work for wayland and would likely also mean no acceleration on Xenocara either
06:27 < vortexx> if it doesn't work by default, the answer is usually no
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09:38 < leah> yeah, i'll disable unsigned extensions in openbsd librewolf
09:38 < leah> www/mozilla-firefox doesn't allow them either
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09:53 < leah> gonna send an update to the mailing list. i have librewolf at v150.0-1 now, and i hardened the config a lot
09:54 < leah> i have further cleanup planned but not in a way that changes behaviour, and not sure i'l do it this weekend, so i'll send what i have
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10:50 < librecat> Does ibm vga 8x16 font work on wscons if you find a .otb file?
10:51 < librecat> Maybe it needs conversion, i gotta read up on some manpages and try things
10:51 < librecat> sorry for the annoyance
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10:55 < sibiria> you can use pretty much any dimension font
10:55 < sibiria> the system isn't bothered by the fact that it's IBM's font
10:57 < sibiria> i forgot if openbsd comes with any utility to convert common typeface formats to monochrome bitmap
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12:51 < anthk_> sibiria: netpbm in ports
12:52 < anthk_> ah wait, typefaces
12:52 < anthk_> pkglocate pcf
12:52 < anthk_> /usr/X11R6/bin/bdftopcf
12:52 < anthk_> and in ports
12:53 < anthk_> bdf2psf, otf2bf, psftools
12:53 < anthk_> otf2bdf sorry
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13:10 < anthk_> nomadnet it's broken on i386, it depends on py-cryptography whcih doesn't exist as it depends on rust
13:10 < anthk_> py3-rns depends on py-cryptography
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13:11 < anthk_> I think py3-rns can use the builtin python crypto modules *many times slower* but it will use them as a fallback
13:11 < anthk_> so some 386 related code can be set in the Makefiule
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13:11 < anthk_> Makefile, for the port
13:11 < anthk_> to not depend on py-cryptography
13:11 < anthk_> the build process might detect the builtin libraries and work
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13:13 < anthk_> ah, there 'rnspure' 
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13:13 < anthk_> so, instead of depending of py-rns, py-rnspure needs to exist, and it would conflict with py-rns
13:13 < anthk_> (and provide py-rns by itself)
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15:47 < ExbMs> Hello, Is it possible to install KDE Weyland on OpenBSD?
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15:50 < vortexx> ExbMs: yes, pkg_add kde should do it
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15:52 < ExbMs> How to start kde wayland? If i start it with startplasma-wayland it fails
15:53 < izder456> read the pkg-readme ExbMs
15:53 < izder456> the file is /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/kde-plasma iirc
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15:58 < ExbMs> Does OpenBSD support running Wayland with login managers?
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16:02 < morpho> i dunno, try it
16:03 < morpho> most people use window managers with obsd, there are a few wayland users
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16:06 < loopb> https://openports.pl/cat/wayland  https://openports.pl/cat/x11/kde-plasma
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17:53 < rIMpossible> Hello. I want to know if CDE from ports is pledged, is it?
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17:54 < thrig> grep -l pledge /usr/ports/*/*/Makefile
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17:54 < rIMpossible> I don't have the ports tree installed
17:54 < morpho> check the patches?
17:54 < thrig> (assuming the metadata is correct, bla blah bla)
17:55 < morpho> its on github
17:58 < rIMpossible> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/checkout/ports/x11/cde/Makefile,v?rev=1.1.1.1 NOPE
17:58 < humm> its on cvsweb
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18:19 < phy1729> Or check STAT in ps
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18:48 < rIMpossible> phy1729: As far as I remember, pledge needs init and afterwards can only reduce permissions. So if STAT=p it is pledged from init and/or reduced persmissions?
18:48 < rIMpossible> s/persmissions/permissions
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20:03 < phy1729> "p       The process has called pledge(2)."
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21:09 < nune> remember the goober who left out sets while installing openbsd and resulted in izder making a pull request? that was me
21:09 < nune> im so used to headless linux setups
21:10 < izder456> well in specific it was a patch submitted to tech@
21:10 < izder456> we don't do "pull requests". its just email 
21:10 < nune> yea thats what i meant
21:11 < izder456> well hi how are you?
21:11 < nune> im fine >:D
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21:23 < fro> k
21:27 < quinq> k
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21:40 < nune> thank you for your insightful comments
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