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00:19 < thenightmail744> is this thing on? I'm all psyched about openbsd. looking for things to do with my t430. maybe a first step is setting up znc
00:20 < thenightmail744> also, heck yeah, I ordered the absolute openbsd book and am also interested in kernel hacking so if you stick around we might be able to learn together
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00:28 < polarian> oldlaptop: why?
00:29 < polarian> oh its because there was a massive port release, I assume Q2 has been pushed to quarterly?
00:31 < polarian> oh wait this is not #freebsd
00:31 < polarian> im blind sorry :D
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00:33  * oldlaptop knows nothing of mysterious freebsd ports development practices and their strange uncoupled-from-the-actual-OS ways
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00:34 < oldlaptop> netbsd and pkgsrc make a little more sense - they just go ahead and take the uncoupling all the way to being a general-purpose ports/packages system for whatever random unix they can make it run on
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00:37 < polarian> oldlaptop: I dont know the OpenBSD port system well, but I like the freebsd port system 
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00:40 < thenightmail744> the first time I did a pkg_add I thought something froze cause I was so used to the print vommit
00:42 < lac> -current running beautifully on my quadcore x230 over here 
00:42 < morpho> its pretty slow too
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06:18 < Posterdati> Foxy_: I read the email, thanks!
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08:04 < minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
08:05 < minall> I'm trying to open my PocketBook device in my system http://dpaste.com/34S9CXKBA , but it gets immediately dettached.
08:05 < minall> I wonder how should I debug this...
08:05 < minall> I don't see it either in usbdevs
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08:20 < ptr_rzmv> Hello! Is there any way to auto-magically restart network when it occasionally gets down from time to time? So I have to run doas sh /etc/netstart. Are there any other options rather than cronjob with ping || netstart or something?
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08:31 < carneous> ptr_rzmv: ifstated(8) - but I would also investigate why it is failing too, of course.
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08:35 < ptr_rzmv> Thanks carneous ! Any hints on wireless network gets down investigation?
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08:37 < carneous> oof not on openbsd for me. too many variables there on a good day, many of them outside the control of the device using the wireless.
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08:44 < ptr_rzmv> carneous: I use some usb wireless adapter, since my laptop's ain't supported (broadcom or something), probably that's why it disconnects from time to time.
08:51 < carneous> ptr_rzmv: I assume you have looked into fw_update(8) ?
08:53 < ptr_rzmv> carneous: sure thing
08:55 < carneous> ok. well outside of ensuring the machine bios is up to date, there are no weird USB settings in the bios that might interfere with an adaptor, you would need to go digging I think. In the meantime, learning ifstated is time well spent ;)
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09:06 < ptr_rzmv> carneous: Indeed, ifstated looks very useful. Thanks for sharing
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09:16 < dg> ptr_rzmv: anything in dmesg? what driver is it using? it depends on the driver but for some "ifconfig $if debug" will turn on extra debug logging
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09:46 < mischief> there may be hope for my orangepi rv2... https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/18222d5632f8fbb2a26e900e8c07184d24dabf1e
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10:31 < ptr_rzmv> dg: urtwn
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10:37 < thenightmail`> I feel silly but I am struggling to understand how to change the system font for X. so far I've installed ibm-plex with pkg_add ibm-plex and I've tried running fc-cache -fv (maybe this is automatically done when installing the font).
10:37 < thenightmail`> when using xselfont I dont see ibm-plex as an option
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10:39 < thenightmail`> ah, maybe this is a hint, when I run fc-cache -fv it says 'fc-cache: failed'
10:41 < mischief> rv2$ sysctl hw.product; uname -a
10:41 < mischief> hw.product=OrangePi RV2
10:41 < mischief> OpenBSD rv2.home.arpa 7.9 GENERIC.MP#4 riscv64
10:41 < mischief> the orangepi rv2 does in fact work :-)
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10:44 < thenightmail`> okay, seems man fonts is a good place to start
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10:55 < sibiria> mischief: does its CPU freq. scale?
10:56 < sibiria> or is it locked at lowest freq. like most ARM boards
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11:01 < mischief> sibiria: no clue, but thats the least of my concerns at the moment
11:01 < mischief> pcie seems broken and possibly also usb
11:07 < mischief> sibiria: no info on the running system about clock speed.
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11:21 < sonya> sibiria: at lowest or highest?
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11:42 < sibiria> sonya: for all of my ARM boards, lowest
11:42 < sibiria> i'm sure there's some that stay at highest
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11:59 < sonya> :)
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13:21 < humm> thenightmail`: there’s different things that could be considered “system font”: *font X resources and fontconfig settings
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13:24 < humm> oh, I see fonts(7) describes all that
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13:34 < mischief> cvs has taken two hours so far and is still not done
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13:39 < humm> mischief: are you doing a cvs co over the network or something?
13:41 < humm> reposync my beloved
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13:46 < mischief> i am checking out -current on my orangepi rv2
13:46 < mischief> i would have just used git, but riscv64 packages are all fucked atm it seems
13:47 < sibiria> check-out on fast machine, move single giant .tar to opi using memory card or network afterward
13:47 < humm> mischief: you can mirror the repo using rsync and then do the checkout locally and prepopulate the checkout from tarballs
13:48 < mischief> are there instructions for that somewhere
13:49 < sibiria> are you running it off of microSD card?
13:49 < mischief> it's nvme actually
13:49 < mischief> the disk is no slouch
13:50 < sibiria> right, just the opi itself. would be faster to do a single large copy than a billion per-file operations either way
13:50 < humm> mischief: https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
13:51 < morpho> can got do partial downloads too?
13:51 < humm> sections Pre-Loading the Source Tree and Mirroring the Repository
13:54 < mischief> ah, eyes aren't working today, thanks
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13:59 < mischief> i did what i shoulda done earlier and git archive'd my local git checkout and sent that over and its done unpacking
13:59 < mischief> meanwhile cvs has been working on files in src/sys/dev/pci/drm/amd/include/asic_reg for over 20 minutes
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15:10 < echelon_> does anyone know if resflash will work on read-only media, assuming i don't need to use the built-in upgrade utility?
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16:03 < vortexx> echelon_: iirc resflash is specifically designed for that
16:04 < echelon_> oh, i thought it was intended for usb or cf flash
16:04 < echelon_> it doesn't say anything about cd-r
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16:06 < vortexx> it pretty much is for cf cards which aren't great for many writes (like logs)
16:07 < vortexx> it probably works on a cd-r but the you'd probably need to change the boot system
16:07 < vortexx> cd-r is pretty niche these days
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16:14 < echelon> vortexx: my use case would be for a ssd with mechanical write-protection
16:14 < echelon> ..enabled write-protection. so it would virtually be on a read-only media like a cd-r.
16:15 < echelon> but i guess the filesystem would be identitical to a regular sata mass storage device.
16:22 < vortexx> oh right. Yes resflash would work fine for that
16:23 < vortexx> it's an entirely in memory system. The only problem is logs but they can be sent off to a logserver
16:23 < vortexx> wg+syslogd with tls is your friend there
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16:38 < echelon> vortexx: wireguard+syslogd?
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17:16 < broke> Hello, I'm new to openbsd, I'm confused about sndio, I am on a laptop. I am trying to only output audio through my headphones and not on both streams, unfortunately for some reason by default it does output on both streams, any help with this?
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17:21 < loopb> maybe check out pkg_info for cmixer, it's handy
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17:28 < vortexx> echelon: yes
17:31 < echelon> thanks :)
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17:37 < uwharrie> see also https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#default
17:37 < broke> loopb: cmixer didn't help, tbh I probably failed to explain it. Lemme rephrase, sndioctl shows me the current server device which is /dev/audio0 but in sndioctl's output shown as 0(azalia0), I try to set the device to server.device=1 as I thought the headphone would be /dev/audio1 or something... but apparently they *are* I think in the same stream..? I'm just confused.
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17:40 < uwharrie> that could be a hardware setting issue
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17:52 < broke> I see...
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17:54 < thrig> as in the hardware automatically routes to the headphone when that's got something in it
17:54 < broke> and the speaker as well?
17:54 < broke> it sends through both, which is the weird part
17:55 < thrig> looking through the BIOS would be a good step
17:55 < jmcunx> broke: not sure of your settings or hardware, but I have this in /etc/rc.conf.local
17:55 < jmcunx> sndiod_flags=-f rsnd/0 -F rsnd/1
17:56 < broke> hmmm, I will try those flags
17:56 < broke> thanks
17:56 < jmcunx> and that wirks for speakers plugged in to the sound and using a blutetooth audio dongle
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17:56 < eea> bluetooth on openbsd? heresy?!
17:56 < eea> ha
17:57 < broke> bluetooth is a security nightmware
18:00 < broke> thrig: I think I am going to look into BIOS, I think this is a hardware issue probably....
18:02 < thrig> also firmware updates which may fix or cause bugs
18:02 < thrig> or maybe the hardware is screwy and needs patches in the OS
18:03 < uwharrie> there have been known issues with hardware or bios/system firmware either failing the headphone detection or not properly handling the plug-in event
18:03 < avemestr> Coincidentially, what works for jmcunx is also what is suggested in the FAQ: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#usbaudio
18:04 < broke> but thats for usbaudio
18:04 < broke> so what I'm kind of understanding now is that this switch is handled by hardware?
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18:07 < uwharrie> could be any one of hardware, bios/system firmware, or buggy ACPI...something that a driver on a different OS has a workaround for
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20:15 < thenightmail`> is font configuration generally done in the applications themselves instead of changing everything for the whole system? for instance If I install ibm-plex it is much easier to change the font for xterm, emacs and the browser then trying to get it to apply for everything in place of the default deja vu sans or whatever.
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20:22 < thenightmail`> seems I need to edit the .fonts.conf file in the home directory. that is in the fonts man page
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20:31 < byteskeptical> thenightmail`: installing the font and configuring it for certain applications are two seperate steps. For example xterm can be configured using .Xdefaults, the browser normally through it's settings page (though there may be a cli flag for this I'm not sure), and I don't use emacs but I suspect a config file would be involved
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20:34 < byteskeptical> don't forget to run fc-cache to update Fontconfig
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20:36 < morpho> i think you can alias fonts in fontconfig
20:36 < morpho> so sans, sans-serif, monospace are whatever font you want
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20:36 < morpho> and also change hinting settings and all that
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20:38 < morpho> most people do just set it per application level though
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20:40 < morpho> im not sure, does openbsd use the same fontconfig as arch? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Font_configuration#Alias
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20:45 < thenightmail`> yeah I ended up setting it per application, which is fine, but ideally i'd have it set by root so whatever user I setup has the same fonts
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21:04 < uwharrie> morpho: depends on what you mean by "same"
21:04 < uwharrie> same source base, yes. same version, no.
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21:28 < morpho> uwharrie: i suspected that. i dont know how relevent that wiki page will be
21:28 < morpho> but it is the same fontconfig
21:28 < morpho> try it
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21:37 < humm> morpho: yes, programs that use fontconfig use it on Arch and on OpenBSD
21:39 < humm> thenightmail`: a system- or user-wide font configuration for fontconfig (so most newer GUIs) is to write into the fontconfig config xml to prefer some specific font you like for the strings “sans-serif,” “serif,” and “monospace”
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