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02:41 < mischief> can i recover from nfs being hung in nfs_fsync somehow
02:42 < mischief> not even sure how this can happen, other two clients work and ssh still works
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07:45 < vortexx> mischief: unfortunately the usual answer is reboot. Maybe umount/mount ?
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07:45 < vortexx> six hours for configure... damn
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07:46 < mischief> nfs just spontaneously broke again a moment ago
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07:48 < mischief> its just on ports, so rootfs works fine. mounted the same mount on /mnt and its also fine
07:48 < mischief> smh
07:48 < vortexx> yeah that's odd
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07:48 < vortexx> I've never set up multiple host dpb I have to say
07:49 < vortexx> I've read how to do it, it sounds simple enough but nfs getting in the way.. yeesh
07:50 < mischief> my first time really using it. i would have thought with how old and long nfsv3 has been on openbsd and the fact that everything is on a flat 1Gbit lan it would have been fine :|
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07:52 < mischief> my linux desktop is connected at 10Gbit, and gets 800M/s easily from the same nfs share on a cached file
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07:52 < IcePic> bumping rsize and wsize could be a thing, I think linux sets up really large buffers
07:54 < vortexx> mount_nfs -w 32768 -r 32768 helps
07:55 < IcePic> I think some of work nfs hosts have 256k or so for those 
07:55 < mischief> why would io sizes influence completely hanging?
07:55 < mischief> even if io is small, it should not hang forever, maybe progress slowly..
07:56 < vortexx> ,-r=32768,-w=32768 in fstab 
07:56 < mischief> umount also hangs, so i have to likely reboot -q, since otherwise normal shutdown with sync will hang too
07:57 < vortexx> iirc when I tried higher than 32k it wouldn't work but that may have been another OS
07:57 < vortexx> let's see
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07:58 < IcePic> it was not about hanging, it was about "linux gets X MB/s"
07:58 < mischief> the nfs share host is debian, which i suppose could be part of it, but it worked fine for hours until a few moments ago and then just stopped
07:58 < IcePic> but my experience was that obsd nfs would sometimes need me to alter or disable the client pf
07:59 < IcePic> can't say why, but at some point when I did octeon clusters mounting nfs from an x86 nuc with obsd, some stuff would have me unload the client pf in order to work
07:59 < vortexx> clearly some other OS, 64k works
08:00 < vortexx> mh that's odd, pf interfering. Default pf.conf ?
08:01 < mischief> haven't touched it on these machines.
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08:02 < mischief> hm yes the wsize/rsize is quite a bit larger on linux :^)
08:02 < mischief> also using nfs4, not 3 like the openbsd clients..
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08:09 < vortexx> I fear if you raise the issue on ports@ you'll be told to use OpenBSD as the nfs host
08:10 < IcePic> for non-bsd hosts, one might have to fiddle with if it should allow and/or use reserved ports and so on
08:10 < IcePic> can't remember if that is in the server or client end of nfs from non-bsd
08:11 < vortexx> but if it works most of the time on OpenBSD surely it's not a reserved port issue?
08:12 < mischief> netstat on one client shows
08:12 < mischief> udp          0      0  192.168.0.150.696      192.168.0.10.2049
08:12 < mischief> udp          0      0  192.168.0.150.613      192.168.0.10.2049
08:12 < mischief> server has no fw, so i don't think there's any network issues at this level
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08:17 < mischief> the difference in real throughput between the machines is crazy. factor of 7 between the slowest and fastest
08:17 < mischief> (reading a big file over nfs)
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08:18 < vortexx> is that when copying to mfs or to a disk that might be slower?
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08:18 < mischief> pv -X (discards writes)
08:18 < vortexx> ah yes
08:19 < vortexx> yes that is pretty craz
08:19 < vortexx> y
08:19 < mischief> qemu kvm on milk-v megrez (this one surprised me) udp          0      0  192.168.0.150.696      192.168.0.10.2049
08:19 < mischief> udp          0      0  192.168.0.150.613      192.168.0.10.2049
08:19 < mischief> woops
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08:20 < mischief> 3.30MiB/s - qemu tcg vm on my amd64 desktop 8.31MiB/s - orangepi rv2 22.0MiB/s
08:20 < mischief> also amusing because the rv2 seems to have the slowest compute throughput also by a large factor, based on `openssl speed`
08:21 < mischief> suppose ill see if rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576 works, since thats what linux defaulted to
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08:23 < mischief> apparently no? it seems to have been capped when i mounted
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08:32 < vortexx> funnily enough that scales back down to 131072 on my ubuntu 25.10 laptop
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08:57 < vortexx> chroot: pbuild: setting resource limit stacksize: Invalid argument <-- getting this error for chroot AND sshd on various hosts, is this some login.conf setting going wrong?
08:58 < vortexx> actually that's just the buildhosts
08:58 < vortexx> -s
08:58 < mischief> i didn't bother with proot
08:59 < mischief> vortexx: IcePic good tip on rsize/wsize though, this does feel snappier than before
08:59 < vortexx> great!
09:00 < vortexx> I prefer proot cos it keeps everything contained 
09:01 < mischief> two of these are vms and one is a devboard i can wipe any time, so i figured it didnt matter
09:02 < vortexx> mischief: what's your stacksize-cur size for pbuild ?
09:02 < mischief> default i'd suppose
09:02 < vortexx> my build host is also a VM
09:03 < vortexx> default is 8M, I bumped it to 64M for default and daemon and 512M for pbuild (VM has 24Gb of ram)
09:03 < mischief> from login.conf :stacksize-cur=8M:\
09:03 < vortexx> maybe that's why things keep feeling slow
09:04 < mischief> i can't imagine a program needing 512M of stack
09:04 < vortexx> if it's invalid to have such high nunbers
09:04 < vortexx> s/nunbers/numbers
09:04 < mischief> even 8 is pretty wild, tbh :)
09:04 < vortexx> I know but... firefox?
09:05 < mischief> _for_ pbuild building firefox?
09:05 < vortexx> turned out on this reinstalled VM that I somehow didn't have the saved login.conf for I didn't have a big enough datasize-max or datasize-cur for pbuild
09:05 < vortexx> yes for building
09:06 < mischief> datasize maybe, stacksize i doubt
09:06 < mischief> my port list for dpb is very short and firefox is not on it
09:06 < mischief> the dep chain has grown to some few hundred though, for whatever reason
09:07 < mischief> one of them is devel/git, which is finally starting to build
09:09 < vortexx> mine is fairly long as I build gnome, browsers, zabbix, and a bunch of other things
09:11 < mischief> i'd be waiting a month, like jca does for the existing riscv64 bulk builds :P
09:12 < vortexx>  wc /usr/build/home/localports                                                                                                                
09:12 < vortexx>      173     173    2815 /usr/build/home/localports
09:12 < vortexx> that expands to 10x that size
09:13 < vortexx> takes about 24 hours for the non-browser stuff, then a week for browsers on this Xeon from 2019
09:13 < vortexx> 8 cores for the VM
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09:24 < mischief> frankly i am happy this machine works at all
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09:24 < mischief> probably the only running tor instance on openbsd/riscv64 now, and iperf3 shows about 500Mbit/s each way
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09:28 < vortexx> not bad at all considering the config
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09:29 < vortexx> too high a stacksize definitely was the culprit for build host, it's regular snappy now
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09:31 < mischief> i suspect there's probably some inefficiencies in the memory subsystem of the kernel, but i'm no expert
09:32 < mischief> c.f. the bugs thread 'Probably local denial of service'
09:33 < dlg> 
09:33 < vortexx> it was probably on some weird old kernel default for stacksize that was way too small
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09:43 < mischief> dlg: hi :)
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10:32 < lts> It's a good day to run *BSD
10:33 < obcecado> it is indeed!
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11:26 < vortexx> mh stacksize was 4M until 2021 when it got doubled
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11:49 < iurirs> lts: I love that jab lol
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13:03 < vortexx> here's another oddity: I have a virtual serial link between two VMs, one on 7.8 and the other on -current. I've got ppp set up between them over the link, and when I run iperf3 with the -current VM as the server I get this in logs: /bsd: com1: 0 silo overflows, 6013 ibuf overflows
13:03 < vortexx> running the server on 7.8 doesn't do this
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13:24 < renaud> vortexx: you are really doing weird experiments
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13:29 < cgnarne> weird is good
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14:43 < martian67> vortexx sounds like a control flow issue
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16:20 < ssm_> apparently the linux copyfail exploit has convinced some companies to disable userspace kernel module loading? if so, append to openbsd-was-right.txt
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16:24 < cgnarne> ha, nice
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16:25 < avemestr> Heh.
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16:37 < thrig> openbsd has also evaded some cve by not having sixel support in xterm
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16:44 < cgnarne> reject modernity, embrace tradition
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16:45 < oldlaptop> (reading through https://copy.fail/, that seems like a pretty silly response to the actual issue)
16:46 < oldlaptop> the buggy feature is implemented by an LKM, which they suggest disabling as a workaround - does not seem like a good reason to disable LKMs!
16:46 < oldlaptop> (OpenBSD not having LKMs would complicate an analogous workaround a little bit. Maybe you could disable the affected "thing" in UKC?)
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17:18 < mischief> when does ports usually 'unlock'
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17:22 < renaud> oldlaptop: OpenBSD used to have LKMs
17:22 < oldlaptop> (but IIRC nobody ever used them)
17:22 < renaud> mischief: no idea, sthen@ mentionned they were not yet unlocked
17:22 < renaud> I did you the LKM in OpenBSD to run qemu accelerator
17:22 < renaud> s/you/use/
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17:23 < mischief> i fixed one port of a go program for riscv64
17:23 < mischief> i think there are a few more that need a similar fix
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17:24 < mischief> also, is there any way to force dpb to pass MAKE_JOBS? seems like doesn't except for some 'special' ports
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17:28 < renaud> I don't think it's possible, but I am no dpb expert
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18:18 < ssm_> oldlaptop: <the buggy feature is implemented by an LKM> I think this is a reasonable response, because the exploit is public, and skiddies are going to be deploying the existing implementation en-mass instead of writing their own
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18:19 < ssm_> not that I think the exploit is very serious since it's still purly local and at the very least requires python execution
18:20 < ssm_> evilgnome 2, will be boosted in the media to benefit X's profit, forgotten in a week
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19:10 < oldlaptop> ssm_: Disabling the *one specific* module is an entirely reasonable workaround (and what the people with the PoC recommend)
19:10 < oldlaptop> Disabling *all loadable kernel modules* is an entirely unreasonable workaround.
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19:11 < oldlaptop> (unless I misunderstand "disable userspace kernel module loading")
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19:40 < qbit> it also doesn't require python :P
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20:06 < mischief> i have a decent collection of riscv64 packages now https://www.offblast.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/riscv64/
20:08 < qbit> wish all the riscv machines I have weren't crap
20:08 < qbit> "crap"
20:09 < qbit> milkv pioneer .. should be not crap..
20:09 < qbit> but tis crap
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20:10 < joe9> I have a machine on the network writing out syslog messages. I want to read them from an OpenBSD machine. Is that possible?
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20:11 < mischief> qbit: should be flying along with 64 cores ;)
20:11 < qbit> should be.. 
20:13 < mischief> joe9: see syslogd(8) for listener options
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20:13 < joe9> mischief: thanks.
20:14 < mischief> qbit: i wouldn't call the rv2 great, but it's not crap either. it does mostly work
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20:17 < qbit> nice
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20:22 < mischief> building mutt and weechat, then i'll finally be able to use it for irc and mail :P
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20:53 < itrsea> Recent versions of OpenBSD may run in a libvirt virtual machine.
20:53 < itrsea> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/kvmvirtualization-virt-install-openbsd-unix-guest/
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20:55 < fro> is 6.3 recent?
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21:07 < itrsea> fro: Good point.
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21:09 < joe9> syslog is truncating the messages. Is there any way to tell it not to truncate messages from a remote host?
21:12 < mischief> computer says no
21:12 < mischief> maybe rsyslog would better suit you
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21:40 < joe9> does syslog adhere to the standards in RFC 3164 and RFC 5424
21:40 < joe9> ?
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22:03 < ssm_> if you mean syslogd, manpage sniff test says it's not standardized. the function syslog(3) is posix
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22:11 < thrig> rsyslog and whatnot are in ports
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22:41 < Chip1972> where i find tutorial about httpd.conf ?
22:42 < deimosBSD>  /etc/examples/httpd.conf
22:43 < deimosBSD> or man httpd.conf
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22:58 < Chip1972> where i find course about httpd.conf ?
22:58 < thrig> or there's a httpd mastery book if you like books or fake books
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23:01 < grimpeux> I'm sure there some really old O'reilly books about this gathering dust somewhere.
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23:07 < Chip1972> where i find httpd.conf for dummies?
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23:10 < mischief> Chip1972: we're waiting for you to write it
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23:12 < grimpeux> HTTPD.CONF(5) would cover whatever weird it is you're trying to do
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23:25 < ssm_> Chip1972: httpd is a relatively simple server, it's not like popular monoliths nginx. it can be glued together with relayd to do some more complex things like useragent filtering or serving different servers at different http paths, but it shouldn't take more than a couple hours to learn the whole thing just from the manpage and screwing around if you're already familiar with the rest of the system.
23:27 < Bradipo> While mostly true, sometimes relayd+httpd+slowcgi can be tricky.
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23:29 < thrig> cgi always has about 5000 things that can break and each need to be checked
23:29 < Bradipo> And useful logs are terse.
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23:53 < ssm_> s/whole thing/httpd/ yeah learning both relayd and httpd is gonna take more time, I worded that wrong
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