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00:04 < mischief> polarian: wouldn't you normally use () for the interface?
00:04 < polarian> hmmm
00:04 < polarian> I cant remember the cases where you use (), in general I think?
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00:05 < mischief> see pf.conf(5), under the description of 'from source port source os source to dest port dest'
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01:28 < thenightmail> I am embarassed to only just know find how to do the trackpoint with middle trackpad button scroll on the thinkpad running OpenBSD.
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02:17 < oldlaptop> You gotta learn sometime. :)
02:18  * oldlaptop binds that to random surplus buttons on other pointing devices too
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02:47 < thenightmail> I also found out about xset r rate ms hz and set that to 200 and 25. it is a bit smoother
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04:13 < cgnarne> klsrqm: is there a specific reason you want  to use u9fs? sshfs from 9front is much easier to set up
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04:17 < cgnarne> there's an example in 9front execnet(4) on how to use u9fs over ssh. that should work on OpenBSD
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06:50 < sandbag> !paste
06:51 < sandbag> https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/0551d1876760 getting error while updating
06:52 < sandbag> on a side note, anyone tried using pyinfra for managing openbsd servers?
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07:20 < sandbag> is there anything like net.inet.ip.check_interface in openbsd?
07:20 < sandbag> net.inet.tcp.blackhole
07:21 < sibiria> sandbag: that looks like you've effectively blocked your network traffic
07:22 < sandbag> sibiria: its in freebsd https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=blackhole
07:22 < sibiria> no, your problem updating your packages
07:22 < sandbag> sibiria: other packages are updated only that package is throwing error
07:23 < sibiria> you could verify if the package is actually in place on that mirror, or simply try another mirror
07:23 < sandbag> ok let me check
07:24 < sandbag> i see the packages are on mirror
07:26 < sandbag> sibiria: i updated another mirror, still same 
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07:36 < mischief> sandbag: as sibiria astutely observed, you probably wrote pf rules that block your own traffic
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07:42 < sandbag> mischief: why other package are being updated then?
07:42 < sandbag> i can also install new packages too
07:43 < mischief> go watch your pf rule counters
07:43 < mischief> that will tell you if a pass/block rule is hit when you try things
07:44 < sandbag> are you even listening? how can one package not update and other packages can update if its a pf issue?
07:45 < sibiria> your rule set had connection counters where overflow led to IPs being placed in blocking tables
07:45 < sibiria> and the rule set looked kinda topsy-turvy, ins and outs being all jumbled up
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07:47 < sandbag> what exactly is jumbled up? please point it, u are vaguely just saying u dont like rules
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07:48 < mischief> alternately you can post ktrace -i of pkg_add. that will show exactly what syscall got EPERM.
07:50 < sibiria> i'm not sure where to start because i didn't memorize the rules. but what i noted was strange use of tags and trying to block/permit traffic in two steps. like, you passed traffic in to tag it, then you blocked traffic based on the tag, or something like that
07:50 < sibiria> nothing made sense at a glance
07:50 < sandbag> it doesnt if u don't know how to read
07:51 < sandbag> the problem is i set the max-conn-src and max-conn-rate to very low, i increased it and now its fixed
07:51 < sibiria> ok my english might be sub-par and i can barely understand a word you're saying, but i'm pretty sure i've spent 20+ years with openbsd and pf
07:52 < sandbag> sibiria: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/559981b0fffc this is the latest, the one i pasted earlier was first attempt 
07:54 < sandbag> apart from tags, whats wrong? i dont understand
07:54 < sibiria> the first thing i'd do there would be to be consistently specific about what interface the rules apply to. i wouldn't just "block from to", but "block on <ifname> from to"
07:55 < sandbag> egress == ifname?
07:55 < sandbag> the eth if
07:55 < mischief> sandbag: which rule here do you expect to allow outbound traffic to the internet/your default route?
07:55 < sibiria> egress is a group. you apply that on the "pass in" later
07:55 < sibiria> and also the strange thing about passing traffic in to tag it, then try to block it
07:56 < sandbag> mischief: the last one, since thats for http/https
07:56 < sibiria> i'd rewrite the entire thing
07:56 < sandbag> sibiria: how can u track it then? its just labelling packets
07:56 < vortexx> sandbag: also set skip on lo should be the first instruction. No need for pass on lo0 if you have skip.
07:57 < sandbag> ok i will rm it
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07:58 < mischief> i bet if you just checked the rule counters you would see which rules are hit to verify that it is actually allowing it
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07:58 < sibiria> sandbag: you can match traffic to tag it
07:58 < sandbag> how to check rule counters?
07:58 < sibiria> if i understand what you're trying to achieve (i can't read, remember) i would not go about using tags at all
07:58 < sandbag> sibiria: what does tag do without match?
07:59 < sibiria> i don't understand the question
07:59 < mischief> `pfctl -vvsr` or `systat rules` works
07:59 < sandbag> sibiria: why can't i use tags in a normal rule
07:59 < sibiria> you can. i just wouldn't do it the way you do
07:59 < sibiria> i wouldn't use tags at all for this
08:00 < sandbag> ok then i should use match?
08:00 < sibiria> but, as an example:  match in on <if_name> proto tcp from any to port 22 tag sshlol
08:00 < sibiria> tags traffic but doesn't affect state in any way
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08:01 < sandbag> mischief: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/9881b11a4550
08:01 < mischief> don't show me, you need to watch the counters after they change to see what rule is hit
08:02 < mischief> tho its easy to see most traffic hits your first block
08:03 < mischief> probably want to add `log` to it and tcpdump pflog0 to see what traffic is blocked
08:03 < mischief> see pflogd(8)
08:03 < sandbag> sibiria: i will modify it, but u said everything is wrong with my rules but all u can mention was tags bad
08:03 < sandbag> mischief: ok
08:04 < sibiria> if you just want to block IPs that have been sniffing around on service ports, then just block them and overload them into a table
08:04 < sibiria> don't pass then maybe block
08:05 < sandbag> sibiria: which i did, overload to two tables
08:05 < sandbag> seems like u didnt read it
08:06 < mischief> also this looks broken
08:06 < sibiria> you're passing the traffic...
08:06 < mischief>   10  Pass     In                tcp       K        0        0        0       from any to (egress) port = ssh  tag good
08:06 < mischief>   11  Pass     Any               tcp       S        0        0        0       from any to (egress) port = ssh  tag trouble
08:06 < sibiria> you're giving it state
08:06 < mischief> second rule will always apply here, never the first
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08:06 < sibiria> the order of the rules is jumbled as well - this matters
08:07 < sibiria> and the difference between applying a rule to a specific interface (by naming it) matters, else the rule may apply to any and all interfaces
08:07 < vortexx> including to lo0
08:07 < vortexx> which can lead to all kinds of difficult to debug issues
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08:09 < sandbag> sibiria: where am i passing? its blocked
08:09 < sandbag> mischief: ok let me fix that
08:10 < sibiria> pass in on egress ... tag trouble
08:10 < sibiria> pass proto tcp from any to (egress) port  $ssh_alt_port tag trouble
08:10 < sibiria> etc.
08:11 < sandbag> once its tagged, the rules above it are blocking it with quick
08:11 < sibiria> some rules you apply to both directions, some to just in or out. some to all interfaces, some to just one interface. there's a lot of inconsistencies making it hard to assert what traffic is actually permissible and not
08:12 < sibiria> the rules also tag traffic both good and bad based on shared criteria
08:12 < mischief> sandbag: your rules you pasted above make no use of tags beyond adding a tag
08:12 < mischief> you have to actually use the `tagged` keyword to match on tagged traffic.
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08:13 < mischief> so.. applying them is pointless unless you have some other userspace software looking at pf states
08:14 < sandbag> mischief: tags are not used for blocking, im blocking when ip is in the table
08:14 < sibiria> you don't need to tag for that
08:14 < sandbag> its just for the aesthetic
08:14 < sibiria> ok
08:15 < mischief> 😎
08:16 < sibiria> but do consider being specific about both interface and direction in the rules, unless the rule absolutely benefits from being relaxed
08:17 < sibiria> if nothing else it helps understanding what's actually going on with the ins and the outs
08:17 < sandbag> ok i will modify for consistency
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08:20 < sibiria> you sohuld take a look in those tables when you see pkg_add not wanting to do its job
08:20 < sibiria> see if you somehow have added yourself there, or the ip of the mirror you can't update the package from
08:21 < sibiria> pfctl -t <troublemakers|bruteforce> -T show
08:23 < mischief> sibiria: the rules seem to only use the tables for one port, not all
08:25 < mischief> for me i don't bother with stateful tracking and just parse authlog for ssh failures, and add those to a table
08:25 < sandbag> mischief: how do u parse authlogs? with a script or natively in pf.conf
08:25 < mischief> spammers will either use multiple IPs or connect at very low rates, and i didn't want the noise
08:25 < mischief> so they get one chance, then they are gone
08:25 < mischief> sandbag: i wrote a script, but there's sshguard
08:26 < sandbag> yea thers also fail2ban which i do use on linux
08:26 < sandbag> but didnt want to add extra programs
08:26 < sibiria> i just move my ssh off of standard port to keep the noise down, and have a somewhat strict rate limit that covers about a minute of time of window. the more patients ones can keep going all they want, i don't really mind
08:27 < sibiria> of time window*
08:27 < sibiria> moving away from port 22 solves like 99% of the noise, if not more
08:29 < sandbag> yea i agree altho its security thru obscurity but its valid 
08:29 < sandbag> sibiria: do u also set max-src-conn and rate for that?
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08:30 < sandbag> can u paste ur rule if u dont mind
08:30 < sibiria> it's not security-by-obscurity. it's reducing log noise
08:30 < sandbag> sibiria: thats one way of looking at it
08:30 < sibiria> that's the only way to look at it
08:31 < sandbag> most bots dont even scan all ports if they cant hit 22, they move on
08:31 < sibiria> i run the sshd on a non-standard port to avoid logs filling up
08:31 < sandbag> it also means u are immune to some kind of mass exploitation if theres zero-day in openssh
08:31 < sibiria> and yes i max-src-conn-rate those connections
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08:43 < sandbag> when i mention multiple macros like `pass proto ... port { $macro1, $macro2 }` is this an or condition or and?
08:44 < lts> That is a shorthand for creating two rules where first has $macro1 and second has $macro2
08:45 < lts> You should read https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf , it explains all those
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08:52 < sibiria> sandbag: everything inside the curlies is "or". all of the specified ports, IP addresses etc. will be affected
08:53 < sibiria> doesn't matter if it's written explicitly or if it's a variable ("macro"), the rule becomes the same
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08:54 < sibiria> macros are just string-replaced as a pre-processing step, no magic involved
08:57 < sandbag> ok
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09:26 < sandbag> im getting syntax error when i use multiple macros before `port`
09:27 < sandbag> had to create a macro for all other macros
09:31 < mischief> by 'use multiple macros' do you mean { }?
09:31 < mischief> it's not allowed in all parts of the syntax
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10:52 < broke> I was suprised to see that openbsd has dbus, when I think the devs should already know that Unix IPC is the one most portable... I know I'm saying something weird here but I do not get the point of double IPCs
10:52 < broke> I hear some say that D-Bus is unsafe
10:53 < morpho> its a stub im pretty sure
10:53 < morpho> if you run some logs you should find chrome for example fails to do a lot of dbus stuff
10:54 < broke> I don't think the dbus stuff is required though is it?
10:55 < broke> I have seen people rip dbus (and hack around it) and still gets those oh so modern browsers to work
10:55 < broke> I need to research again
10:57 < morpho> it might be used within gtk to some degree
10:58 < mischief> broke: you do know dbus runs right on top of unix domain sockets right
10:58 < broke> yes I know
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10:58 < broke> its basically an abstract IPC in Unix
10:58 < broke> afaik
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10:59 < sandbag> https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/32f76a9da21f i trimmed down the rules but now the IP block isn't working at all
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11:00 < sandbag> i tried testing by ssh'ing more than 3 times under 10s and on 5th attempt i get "Connection closed by..." but after a few seconds, i am able to connect again
11:00 < mischief> do you actually have an interface in the egress group
11:00 < sandbag> its vio0
11:01 < morpho> is this a vps
11:01 < sandbag> yes
11:01 < sandbag> the ip that i tested from doesn't show in bruteforce table too
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11:03 < morpho> pfctl -nf /etc/pf.conf 
11:04 < morpho> does that show any errors?
11:04 < mischief> sandbag: which rule are you expecting to match your ssh connection
11:08 < sandbag> mischief: when i try multiple conns (>3 under 10s) i expect the synproxy rule to match and IP would be added to bruteforce table
11:08 < sandbag> morpho: /etc/pf.conf:32: warning: synproxy used for inbound rules only, ignored for outbound 
11:08 < sandbag> no errors
11:09 < sibiria> the rule always matches, but adding to the table only happens when your cross the boundary (overload)
11:09 < sandbag> yea overload is >3 per 10s no?
11:09 < mischief> sandbag: unfortunately no.
11:09 < mischief> the last matching rule wins
11:09 < sandbag> but theres quick block at top
11:09 < sibiria> the limit is not part of the criteria as such
11:10 < mischief> you have TWO other rules matching
11:10 < mischief> pass in proto tcp from any to (egress) port $ssh_alternate_port
11:10 < mischief> pass proto tcp to port $tcp_services \
11:10 < mischief> keep state (max-src-conn 100, max-src-conn-rate 100/1)
11:10 < mischief> depending on which port you are on, i suppose
11:10 < sandbag> thats for http/https, i tested only for ssh
11:10 < sandbag> but regardless, that pass rule for ssh is after the overload
11:11 < sandbag> so when the IP gets added because of overload, it wont match pass ssh
11:11 < sandbag> added to bruteforce table*
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11:11 < mischief> ah, my mistake
11:12 < mischief> in any case, you need to do as i suggested before: watch the rule counters, and use log/tcpdump on pflog
11:12 < sandbag> but it looks fine, sibiria do u spot any problems?
11:13 < sibiria> i'd have to look at it again, in its current state, but i just got back from lunch and can't do it right now. i don't mind looking later
11:13 < sandbag> ugghh bashing my head on this for an hour, i give up
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11:13 < sandbag> sibiria: ok whenever u get time
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11:14 < oldlaptop> broke: OpenBSD does not "have dbus".
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11:14 < broke> Hello, I'm not really sure I understand the manpage of pkg_mklocatedb, it does say if the stdout is not a terminal, it will put to the location mentioned, also mentions that the "end result" should be redirected to a file, so I thought the command would be `pkg_mklocatedb > pkglist` but it ended up outputting the pkglist to the terminal itself... and the pkglist file is some kind of binary.
11:14 < broke> oldlaptop: `pkg_info -Q dbus`
11:14 < oldlaptop> dbus is some piece of third-party software, which is used by some other pieces of third-party software
11:15 < broke> third-party software in particular: all modern web browsers
11:15 < oldlaptop> the OpenBSD porters generally do not completely rewrite third-party software to conform to other people's ideas of what other pieces of third-party software it should or should not use
11:15 < broke> the most thing for everyone: a modern web-browser
11:15 < broke> what you cannot live without: a modern web-browser :(
11:15 < broke> oh ok my bad
11:15 < broke> I was just kinda mad
11:15 < broke> excuse me on this
11:16 < broke> porters should have understood that this is a Unix OS not Linux. Or is OpenBSD really just Unix-like instead of actually being Unix?
11:17 < oldlaptop> ...and therefore it should not be capable of running software you don't approve of?
11:18 < broke> why would I be the judge :\
11:19 < oldlaptop> (OpenBSD is "Unix-like", as is pretty much every other operating system you don't pay good money for. UNIX (TM) certification isn't cheap, even if it were consistent with OpenBSD's goals.)
11:20 < broke> I had a feeling it would be that
11:20 < broke> anyways I'm sorry for arguing.
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11:22 < oldlaptop> The NetBSD people are probably the ones who care the most about POSIX conformance, etc. (which is on paper what they would need, besides the bucketful of money, to obtain UNIX (TM) certification) - wouldn't you know it, dbus is in pkgsrc too
11:23 < broke> thanks for that info, I'll keep in mind (perhaps even note it)
11:24 < oldlaptop> Assuming anyone even runs X/etc. on official UNIX (TM) anymore (the list is not very long - AIX, HP/UX, zOS (?!), Mac OS X/macOS/whatever), what else?), that vendor's third-party software collection is going to have dbus too.
11:25 < broke> ok calm down, I have no hate for OpenBSD just for dbus if you thought of me like that
11:25 < broke> Infact I love OpenBSD, I consider it the best OS
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11:28 < broke> nonetheless I'm just trying to find a modern web browser that doesn't require dbus because I'm just that weird.
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11:28 < oldlaptop> https://www.opengroup.org//openbrand/register/ Apparently I forgot whatever shambling zombie still represents SCO and its products
11:28 < avemestr_> broke: Dillo?
11:28 < oldlaptop> (I thought whoever wound up with that IP just started selling FreeBSD)
11:28 < broke> avemestr_: *modern* :\
11:28 < broke> why's it that there's no middle
11:28 < broke> dillo is on the lower side
11:28 < broke> and firefox is on the higher side
11:29 < broke> where's the middle?
11:29 < cjs> broke: netsurf-browser.org  is indeed "middleweight" and does not require dbus
11:29 < broke> ah netsurf
11:29 < broke> (but iirc some JS websites didn't even work in netsurf)
11:29 < cjs> pkg_add netsurf, good day, chap
11:29 < oldlaptop> Generally speaking, the "middle" is still on the "wrong" side of Very Important Questions like "does it run my youtube?"
11:30 < cjs> yes, to use so-called 'web apps,' one needs FF or chromium, so dbus
11:30 < broke> those technically require dbus period?
11:31 < broke> surely the magic isn't dbus
11:31 < broke> hmm, I guess I asked the wrong question here
11:31 < broke> sorry.
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11:34 < morpho> use emacs eww
11:35 < broke> oh I see you! you are trying to get me to use Emacs!
11:35 < morpho> its an ok web browser
11:35 < morpho> there are tools to convert html to md or pdf
11:35 < morpho> so its ok for looking up documentation and stuff
11:36 < morpho> people geek out about web browsers too much
11:37 < broke> minimalist people generally. I use Links+, Dillo for viewing 90% websites but there are a few and required that you would fire up an ass web browser for.
11:39 < broke> perhaps I should've asked/talked about these in the offtopic, I think oldlaptop is angry at this.
11:39 < broke> thanks for the conversation, see you later
11:40 < broke> (Oh I did come here for an ontopic question though, which was ignored :(.. )
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11:42 < morpho> i said you can check logs to monitor dbus activity, to which most stuff fails on my machine.
11:43 < broke> no, uhh
11:43 < broke> It was about pkg_mklocatedb
11:43 < broke> did that msg not go? hmm my internet must be dying
11:43 < morpho> thinking
11:44 < mischief> ai detected
11:44 < broke> lmao
11:44 < mischief> broke: the output is supposed to be binary
11:45 < mischief> it's a data base for locate(1)
11:45 < broke> okay, and that's what you use to find packages?
11:45 < mischief> 'find packages'?
11:45 < broke> uhhhhhhhh
11:45 < mischief> it's a data base of files in packages.
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11:45 < broke> oh.
11:46 < broke> oh ok, here's the real question
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11:47 < broke> pkg_info is slow, so I was looking for a local database, I found pkg_mklocatedb, which I thought would be the one. because the description said "create a locate database for packages" sorry I'm an idiot.
11:48 < broke> what is the way to create this such database in openbsd? (for pkg_add?)
11:48 < mischief> slow for.. what
11:49 < broke> well, it felt slow for finding packages
11:50 < mischief> finding them by.. name?
11:50 < broke> I'm sorry I guess I must be doing something wrong here
11:50 < sonya> broke: if you need a fast tool for pkg search/locate - install 'pkglocatedb'.. it'll grant you 'pkglocate' (pkg_locate) utility.. the example of pkg_search → https://termbin.com/c740
11:50 < broke> oh ok, thanks
11:51 < broke> I was just looking for something like that
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11:53 < broke> cjs: hello, I have something weird to show you can I show you here?
11:58  * oldlaptop is pretty sure pkg_mklocatedb(1)'s main job is to support the pkglocatedb package
11:59 < oldlaptop> The other "database of packages" to be aware of is sqlports
12:00 < oldlaptop> (which either powers things like openports.pl or can be used directly by SQL speakers)
12:00 < humm> oldlaptop: perhaps pedantic correction: POSIX conformance and testing gets you POSIX certification; SUS conformance and testing gets you the UNIX brand
12:01 < oldlaptop> loosely speaking, isn't POSIX the main meat of the SUS?
12:01 < oldlaptop> (but fair enough :P)
12:01 < humm> it is, but SUS also includes Curses and (I believe) XSI
12:04 < oldlaptop> https://posix.opengroup.org/register.html is exactly the sort of odd collection you'd expect "unixoid, but it doesn't have curses" to be :P
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12:40 < zelest> fscking!
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14:43 < mischief> driver did not work first try :( hw.sensors.smttemp0.temp0=-278.00 degC
14:44 < joepublic> that's pretty chilly
14:44 < thrig> just like in Fifth Element
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14:49 < mischief> well, i've learned today that openbsd's sensor framework uses temperature in microdegrees kelvin internally
14:49 < mischief> and the thermal sensor's driver has a static offset of 278 C, so it makes some sense..
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16:52 < oldlaptop> <mischief> well, i've learned today that openbsd's sensor framework uses temperature in microdegrees kelvin internally
16:52 < oldlaptop> that makes a *lot* of sense: why shouldn't it use a real unit?
16:53 < mischief> nothing wrong with it, just different
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16:54 < mischief> many devices use millidegrees or tenths of a degree celcius
16:54 < mischief> linux itself uses millidegrees
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16:55 < cgnarne> oldlaptop: iirc not all sensors use the same scale i think
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16:56 < cgnarne> some do °C others do °K oder maybe metric °F
16:56  * oldlaptop would expect vendors to be as unhelpful as they can possibly be, without actively colluding to make sure they're all as incompatible as possible
16:56 < oldlaptop> (after all, that kind of coordination would require they be less than maximally lazy)
16:57 < oldlaptop> millidegrees Rankine would be a nice troll
17:04 < humm> people_said_degree_kelvin += 2
17:05 < cgnarne> is that a bad thing?
17:05 < oldlaptop> AIUI one says "kelvins", since it is a real unit and not a gradation on some bogus arbitrary scale
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17:05 < thrig> all the measurements are arbitrary and made up
17:06 < cgnarne> oh well
17:06 < thrig> (some are more useful for certain porpoises)
17:06 < humm> idk if bad, it’s just that the unit is called “Kelvin” and its symbol is K
17:07 < cgnarne> so i'm wrong on the internet?! god dammit!
17:09 < humm> but you’re one of the lucky 10000
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17:16 < thrig> Measurement: Lockhart, Paul
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17:19 < mischief> well, regardless of the unit, unfortunately the fine manual for this SOC conveniently left out the thermal sensor registers
17:20 < thrig> cruddy documentation is another common feature of this universe
17:20 < mischief> there's two different drivers for linux, but.. i'd rather have actual docs, since the damn thing doesn't work still
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17:35 < deimosBSD> kelvin is truth, everything else is a lie ;)
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17:53 < pardis> the unit is "kelvin" in lowercase, as is conventional for units named after people (see also: newton, watt, joule, tesla)
17:54 < thrig> until the newtON remake
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20:44 < rIMpossible> It seems cvsweb.openbsd.org is down / no ping
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20:47 < jadi> rIMpossible: at this moment it works for me.
20:48 < rIMpossible> I could go there 10 mins ago and then suddenly it was stuck - ongoing. Other services run normal
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21:04 < pardis> cvsweb.openbsd.org responds to ping for me, but gives me a GOAWAY message according to curl
21:04 < pardis> I must be a casualty of the LLM wars
21:04 < rIMpossible> pardis: From Brussels it is not working currently. From Amsterdam it runs fine
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21:08 < djPoorly> Good afternoon, morning, night
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21:09 < djPoorly> gotta say, as a newb I think AI doesn't do a good job with helping me with my pf ruleset
21:09  * pardis is shocked and horrified by this news
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21:09 < joepublic> yes.  the openbsd source that told you to use AI much be corrected immediately.
21:09 < djPoorly> because it tells me to change it everytime, then when I change it and I post the thing it spits out it gives me "It's good, but not good enough, here is another suggestion"
21:10 < djPoorly> Well I had it pretty good I thought then it changed a bunch of the rules on me
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21:17 < thrig> how did you know it was good?
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21:32 < morpho> wut lol
21:34 < morpho> i asked eliza about pf config and now im existential
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21:35 < morpho> is doctor eliza in base?
21:36 < fro> what are you talking about
21:36 < morpho> the ai tool
21:36 < fro> nothing to do with openbsd
21:36 < morpho> sometimes called gnu doctor
21:37 < morpho> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
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