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00:10 < oldlaptop> I would be concerned about relying on LLMs to review pf(4) rulesets (besides any general principle) for at least one specific reason: there have been syntax changes over the years, which other BSD derivatives have not kept up with - meaning there's a lot of training material out there that is wrong as applied to current OpenBSD.
00:11 < oldlaptop> (In other words, the same fundamental issue with copy/pasting pf.conf snippets from random blog posts and stackoverflow answers.)
00:15 < dlg> pf rules are generally readable once you have a couple of concepts in your head
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00:47 < thumbs> Relying blindly on anything from a LLM without experience in the subject matter is a bad idea yes.
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01:19 < fedaykin> thumbs: truth
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01:34 < loopb> >he doesn't copy/paste his pf.conf from stackoverflow
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01:34 < loopb> ngmi
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03:24 < deimosBSD> a GPT should be good at guessing the next word in a pf ruleset. maybe i'll build a model for pf if i can find enough input text.
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03:28 < phy1729> You can generate a valid next token using the grammar at the bottom of pf.conf(5), but just because a ruleset is valid doesn't make it useful.
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03:37 < deimosBSD> so first build a model that understands BNF, then pf
03:37 < deimosBSD> ;)
03:37 < lts> But I asked Claude and it said it's the ruleset I need
03:37 < lts> Let me copypaste the entire three-page output
03:38 < dlg> god grant me the confidence of a mindless llm
03:44 < phy1729> $ yes "You're absolutely right"
03:47 < dlg> why thank you
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06:45 < rIMpossible> G'morning
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07:44 < rIMpossible> Is vultr-CLI with vultr the same as console server with OpenBSD Amsterdam? I want a console with vultr for installing FDE, what requires a passphrase at system startup.
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08:27 < Hobbes`> Hi! I am trying to pxe boot openbsd arm64 on a Raspberry Pi and I've got as far as u-boot fetching the openbsd kernel but fails to load it with this error - `Bad Linux ARM64 Image magic!` Boot failed (err=-14)
08:30 < Hobbes`> FWIW I have tried both bsd.mp and bsd.rd and both fail with the same error.
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08:30 < Hobbes`> Both are of type `ELF 64-bit LSB executable, ARM aarch64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped`
08:44 < IcePic> Hobbes`: perhaps you are supposed to first pick up some bootloader that in turn loads the kernel?
08:47 < IcePic> thinking of this line in the INSTALL.arm64 text file:
08:47 < IcePic> Firmware which provides an UEFI interface with a Device Tree Blob
08:47 < IcePic> (DTB) file or ACPI support is required to boot. 
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08:50 < IcePic> a bit of nitpicking, but its not PXE unless you tftp a floppy disk image and boot from, on non-x86 its almost always dhcp+tftpboot in some sense. Not super important distinction, but still..
08:51 < IcePic> "man diskless" seems to have all but zero content for arm(64), so if someone manages to run a complete system diskless on such an arch, there are some commits to be had to that manpage
08:55 < Hobbes`> IcePic The arm64 disk image comes with u-boot. (I extraced it from the miniroot78.img)
08:56 < Hobbes`> extracted*
08:56 < IcePic> sure, but it would need loading, if you are to pick a kernel over the net
08:56 < IcePic> ..if my guess(es) are correct
08:57 < Hobbes`> I original tried to directly load bsd.mp/rd but that didn't seem to work .. so the current flow is pi loads u-boot - u-boot loads kernel.. and it fetches it using tftp but fails to load after that.
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09:00 < dlg> does u-boot support efi?
09:00 < dlg> u-boot should be loading the boot loader
09:00 < dlg> and the boot loader will load the kernel
09:01 < k0ga> it supports a minimun set of efi
09:01 < IcePic> the install docs says
09:01 < IcePic> Running EFI payloads with U-Boot:
09:01 < IcePic> If the U-Boot target supports "distro_bootcmd" efiboot will automatically
09:01 < IcePic> be loaded by placing bootaa64.efi into /efi/boot/bootaa64.efi on a FAT
09:01 < IcePic> filesystem.  With dtb files placed in /vendor/, /dtbs/vendor/, or
09:01 < IcePic> /dtb/current/vendor/
09:02 < k0ga> they explicitely say that they are not going to implement full efi because it is out of scope
09:02 < Hobbes`> dlg I can try making it get the efi off tftp instead of the kernel. (Not sure if Pi3B supports EFI)
09:02 < k0ga> (and it makes sense, EFI is full of bullshit ...)
09:02 < IcePic> so my understanding (without doing a lot of arm64-obsd) is that you would still need to load efi and dtb blobs, then kernel
09:02 < Hobbes`> but then efi may not know how to fetch the kernel off tftp 
09:03 < Hobbes`> oooh the efi binary has tftp strings in it.. let me try that
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09:13 < Hobbes`> EFI also failed with the same error. I think u-boot somehow needs to be told that it's not dealing with Linux
09:16 < IcePic> on octeons you do "bootoctlinux" and its fine
09:16 < IcePic> from u-boot, no need there to tell the u-boot that its not linux
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09:50 < Hobbes`> Is this an BSD kernel error + registers(?) or a u-boot one? --> "Synchronous Abort" handler, esr 0x96000044, far 0xffffff8000200000
09:50 < Hobbes`> elr: 0000000000070824 lr : 0000000000073040 (reloc)
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09:54 < Hobbes`> Found the cause of the original error.. u-boot is trying to run `booti` which expects a "Linux flat or compressed Image" at the address.
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10:09 < Hobbes`> yay! I managed to manually get into efi and have a "boot>" prompt.
10:11 < Hobbes`> had to use the `bootefi` option in u-boot... need to figure how to configure that in pxelinux.cfg
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15:04 < H3110> Hey, i was able to download a file from browser, but unable to upload it from the Downloads dir. Tried firefox and ungoogle-chromium
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15:09 < thrig> do the pledge allows allow for reads from whatever directory?
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15:10 < H3110> I haven't changed any settings
15:11 < thrig> did you look at the pledge settings to see if they allow reads from whatever directory?
15:11 < H3110> the download reaches 100% at my internet speed, but never completes
15:11 < H3110> upload*
15:11 < H3110> idk, let me figure out how to check
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15:13 < H3110> firefox/unveil.main has: ~/Downloads rwc
15:13 < H3110> so read permission is there, along with write and create
15:14 < H3110> i was able to download, but not upload
15:14 < thenightmail> I didn't setup anything relating to pf after installing openbsd. hmm, if it is able to get all the way to 100% that is kind of interesting
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15:37 < H3110> now im trying to send mail, and its stuck at sending
15:37 < H3110> through browser
15:40 < H3110> only to misc@openbsd not else
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16:02 < ssm_> official puffy sperm https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/checkout/www/opencvs/images/opencvs.gif,v?rev=1.1
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16:07 < izder456> i have a usb audio dac from creative that works great but my 3.5mm mic died. i do have a backup usb mic i can use but i can't figure out how to make both the usb mic and the dac active in sndiod, is this just unsupported?
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16:24 < pardis> you can't have them appear as a single device in sndiod, nor is that generally an easy problem to solve in any implementation
16:24 < pardis> but you can set AUDIOPLAYDEVICE and AUDIORECDEVICE to different devices in your client program
16:25 < pardis> see sndio(7)
16:26 < pardis> but there will be no drift correction unless your program handles that itself
16:29 < izder456> so i'd just set those environment variables?
16:29 < izder456> that seems simple enough
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16:30 < izder456> would i set it to snd/{0,1,2} etc ?
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16:31 < pardis> yes
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16:33 < izder456> thanks pardis
16:33 < izder456> i'll try in a second
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16:43 < izder456> yay that worked
16:43 < izder456> thanks so much
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16:52 < mlw> Hello. Might anyone here be aware of OpenBSD armv7 supporting the Netgate SG-3100 gateway appliance?
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17:20 < IcePic> mlw: I don't think there is a lot of care for armv7, or any other 32bit platform at this time
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17:46 < rIMpossible> Are the port wireguard-tools ( wg(8), wg-quick(8) ) still necessary for building a wireguard secure network or is everything fully handled by ifconfig(8) ? I followed these instructions from ianix (2022). Today I saw this blog entry from Vincent Delft (2024) what mentions, no packages are necessary. What to prefer?
17:47 < rIMpossible> ianix : https://ianix.com/wireguard/openbsd-howto.html | Vincent Delft : https://www.vincentdelft.be/post/post_20241005
17:48 < oldlaptop> The tools from ports have never been "necessary" for anything other than consistency with the tools used on linux
17:48 < phy1729> iirc ifconfig has always been enough
17:48 < phy1729> Doubt it would have been added to the kernel if something from ports was required to use it
17:49 < rIMpossible> Is in base the barely necessary or is it a complete exchange of wireguard-tools?
17:49 < rIMpossible> phy1729: Ok, to fast in typing. I understand. Thank you
17:49 < oldlaptop> There might be "sugar" scripts of some kind, I guess? ("wg-quick"? that was *not* there last I remember, multiple years ago)
17:50 < oldlaptop> but AFAIK ifconfig(8) does everything wg(8) from linux or ports will do other than read the same config files, use the same commandline syntax, etc.
17:50 < rIMpossible> Ok. Thank you so far. I will clone my setup with base tools
17:51 < oldlaptop> in an OpenBSD context I never saw the point - everything else in network configuration is in hostname.if files, why add a windows-ini file for just this one thing?
17:52 < pardis> might be slightly helpful if you want to config-manage OpenBSD alongside other systems
17:53 < rIMpossible> Ok, I understand, pardis
17:54 < rIMpossible> oldlaptop: that was the point, I started this discussion. But I was kinda unsure. Thank you clarifying
17:55 < rIMpossible> btw : the wg tools are from 20210914
17:55 < rIMpossible> So kinda unmaintained
17:56 < oldlaptop> ISTR upstream does list them as "out of date" in their "how to install wireguard" page
17:57 < morpho> wg-quick is still used no?
17:58 < oldlaptop> the cvs log kind of reads as though jasperla might have lost interest once it went in-kernel
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20:45 < thenightmail> alright instead of working on anki, I found a flashcard program that I would rather contribute to ports. haven't looked into this too much, but it would make a nice first project for me starting to use OpenBSD.
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20:48 < humm> what’s it called?
20:48 < thenightmail> vocage
20:48 < thenightmail> let me know if there is something else I ought to know about
20:50 < morpho> does it compile
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22:28 < schalken> thenightmail: +1 on wanting flashcard options on openbsd
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22:32 < thrig> somewhat unsupported gemini://thrig.me/tmp/krefu.tar.gz
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22:55 < ffuentes> sorry what's that? I'm intrigued lol
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23:17 < quinq> Something that should just be gopher
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23:31 < oldlaptop> they have reasonable arguments for replacing gopher, I'd say
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23:53 < quinq> Problem is, like often, the pseudo replacement is worth in many aspects, without actually solving the pseudo issues
23:53 < quinq> And HTTP already exists
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