--- Log opened Tue May 12 00:00:24 2026
00:05 < pardis> ideally it shouldn't even matter, because all of these things present similarly enough to the user that all browsers should be equally capable of navigating all of them (and following hyperlinks between them)
00:09 < thrig> HTTP is ass when 99.9something percent is attacks
00:10 < oldlaptop> I'll admit I am not sold on at least one of the major objections to HTTP (it's too extensible, and therefore has been extended)
00:11 < oldlaptop> (gemini being deliberately designed to not permit extension - and IIRC with some attempt at legally forbidding extensions)
00:11 < thrig> and then you rate throttle http to slow the attackers down and then git clone chokes
00:12 < oldlaptop> Just serve a rickroll video as wp-admin.php (at 300 baud)
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00:16 < mischief> i actually started redirecting *.php to a rude text file
00:18 < oldlaptop> 200 OK\r\nYour mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.
00:18 < mischief> more or less
00:18 < mischief> https://offblast.org/lol.php
00:19 < oldlaptop> More bandwidth-efficient, I guess.
00:19 < mischief>         location match "(.*).php" {
00:19 < mischief>                 request rewrite "/fuckyou.txt"
00:19 < oldlaptop> Perhaps the public-spirited thing to do would be to serve something that looks like it could be a wordpress admin page, at 300 baud
00:20 < pardis> it used to be that 99% was attacks, now 99% is scraping for training LLMs
00:21 < tux0r> actually upgrading web servers to gopher servers will get rid of 100% of LLM attacks
00:21 < tux0r> IRC, usenet and gopher were outdated for two decades or so, but today they're self-defense
00:21 < oldlaptop> that is likely to eliminate 100% of legitimate traffic for most applications
00:21 < tux0r> being stubborn pays off.
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01:33 < thenightmail> thrig: thanks for that
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06:47 < rkta> Is there some hand-holding guide on how to add a patch to a port? Every time I want to do this I forgot how to. 
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07:02 < mischief> rkta: this step in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html is useful; "
07:02 < mischief> Try building the port with make build."
07:04 < rkta> mischief: That's what I was looking for. Thanks!
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08:11 < tangentnet> oldlaptop, this will works fine -- #!/usr/bin/perl
08:11 < tangentnet> print "Content-Type: application/json\n\n";
08:11 < tangentnet> print `/usr/local/bin/curl -s https://evilinsult.com/generate_insult.php?lang=en&type=json`;
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08:14 < tangentnet> curl in chroot.
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08:17 < IcePic> bring back sudo and mg insults!
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08:17 < tangentnet> evilinsult generator is nice.
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08:34 < mischief> /usr/games/fortune -o
08:35 < mischief> though, i do not wish to waste such precious computing resources on people probing php scripts
08:38  * tangentnet doesn't have php
08:38 < mischief> neither do i :)
08:40 < tangentnet> super
09:01 < rIMpossible> G'late'morning ;)
09:02 < rIMpossible> Is anyone here who runs Nextcloud with 1-3 clients on Mischa's vm's ?
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09:09 < IcePic> all people that have 0-2 or 2-4 clients are silent. 
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10:34 < pardis> tangentnet: you obviously didn't test that, since it doesn't work
10:35 < pardis> it's too bad perl has no HTTP client libraries of its own so that we must resort to such hacks
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10:58 < tangentnet> pardis, works here.
10:59 < tangentnet> [Tue May 12 16:29:22 tangent tangentutm ~]
10:59 < tangentnet> # print `/usr/local/bin/curl -s https://evilinsult.com/generate_insult.php?lang=en&type=json`;
10:59 < tangentnet> Poisonous bunch-backed toad!
11:05 < pardis> that's odd, I must admit I tested with a similar command and not the exact same one
11:05 < pardis> wonder why the & is treated as a shell special character sometimes and not others
11:05 < pardis> anyway, invoking curl from perl is still gross
11:10 < tangentnet> pardis, yeah it is gross but then it needs no LWP, most users have curl already. Let me see if I can finetune it.
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11:23 < tangentnet> curl will get new stuff, HTTP::Tiny reuses the same TCP connection. It would need -- default_headers => {
11:23 < tangentnet>         'Cache-Control' => 'no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate',
11:23 < tangentnet>         'Pragma'        => 'no-cache',
11:23 < tangentnet>         'Connection'    => 'close',
11:23 < tangentnet>     }
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11:33 < tangentnet> Okay, will upload the cgi to gitlab and share.
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11:59 < tangentnet> pardis, have a look https://gitlab.com/tangentnetworks/cgi-shame/-/tree/38008268076fc0826c08a826ded7bbca461603f4/, HTTP::Tiny is already present so only JSON::PP is required. My httpd is kind of a mess right now so I have not tested it but it works from cli.
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12:56 < Ove_> Hehehe PP
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13:19 < ssm_> I'm gonna stop using openbsd because this Guy on the Internet said the project will be Slipperysloped into SlipperySlop https://www.osnews.com/story/144935/openbsd-and-slopcode-raindrop-to-a-torrent/
13:22 < ssm_> all the other articles are unfocused tabloid opinion spam, go figure
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13:29 < morpho> opinions, the more they have, the less they know
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13:31 < Hobbes`> Can someone using a Raspberry Pi share their /etc/boot.conf? 
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13:32 < jcs> why would the raspberry pi need any boot.conf?
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13:34 < Hobbes`> jcs I am trying to do a headless install on a Pi. And I have gotten to the point where bsd.rd starts up but I can't get beyond that.
13:34 < morpho> if its the older pi i think it needs it
13:35 < morpho> can you not just plug a tv/keyboard in and enable ssh
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13:36 < Hobbes`> morpho I have a serial console... the problem is the kernel doesn't comeplete booting up.
13:37 < Hobbes`> I think it's because there's nothing in my config telling it to use the ramdisk.
13:37 < morpho> that sounds about right
13:37 < morpho> like i remember changing boot.conf to enable netbooting
13:38 < morpho> which pi is it?
13:38 < Hobbes`> 3B+ 
13:39 < jcs> so you probably want a boot.conf of "set tty com0" to force it to output to the uart instead of video
13:39 < Hobbes`> it seems to be inheriting that from u-boot.. the serial console has been working reliably.
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13:40 < morpho> ok. i have one of he early ones and the setup is slightly different
13:41 < jcs> so you get the boot> prompt on your serial console, it boots the installer kernel and then what
13:41 < Hobbes`> All I have is 2 lines in my boot.conf... set image and boot ...  so anything more would likely help.
13:41 < Hobbes`> bcmintc0 at simplebus0panic: bcm_intc_attach: can't find ARM control logic
13:41 < Hobbes`> The operating system has halted.
13:41 < Hobbes`> Please press any key to reboot.
13:41 < jcs> oh, that is a much larger problem
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13:42 < Hobbes`> that's how it ends... starts with copyright notice and spills out details of the system
13:42 < jcs> can you try bsd.rd from previous releases and see where that broke?
13:43 < Hobbes`> jcs sure let me try an older bsd.rd. Give me a few.
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13:46 < Hobbes`> is ftp.openbsd.org is having issues? 
13:47 < Hobbes`> okay it's back up now... was timing out and then refusing connections.
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13:51 < Hobbes`> jcs bsd.rd from 7.7 fails the same way.  -- panic: bcm_intc_attach: can't find ARM control logic
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13:55 < Hobbes`> jcs Here's the full output - https://pastebin.com/9HP4VJf0
13:58 < jcs> ok it looks like that is caused by it not being able to find something in the fdt, where did you get the .dtb file for that system?
14:01 < Hobbes`> jcs I think from a working linux install and uboot and efi from the openbsd installer. (I have Alpine booting diskless on the same Pi.)
14:03 < Hobbes`> I remember reading something about fdt in either u-boot or efi code/docs but I don't think I encountered anything related ot it in the boot process.
14:05 < Hobbes`> It ftd text was in the u-boot/pxe repo... guess that phase was completely missed.
14:07 < jcs> can you make sure it's loading the latest version of https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/refs/heads/master/boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb
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14:13 < Hobbes`> jcs will check and confirm. fwiw u-boot printenv shows these variables but if broadcom/foo.dtb is a path... then it's wrong and there's no tftp request made for it either.
14:14 < Hobbes`> fdt_addr=2eff7100
14:14 < Hobbes`> fdt_addr_r=0x05600000
14:14 < Hobbes`> fdtcontroladdr=3af3df70
14:14 < Hobbes`> fdtfile=broadcom/bcm2837-rpi-3-b-plus.dtbfdt_addr=2eff7100
14:14 < Hobbes`> fdt_addr_r=0x05600000
14:14 < Hobbes`> fdtcontroladdr=3af3df70
14:14 < Hobbes`> sorry accidental double paste.
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14:19 < jcs> u-boot seems to look for bcm2837-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb but the raspberry pi firmware package calls it bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb, no idea why the discrepancy
14:19 < zbcm> This channel gets more alpine linux action than #alpine-linux
14:19 < Hobbes`> jcs tried with the dtb from the link you shared... same error as before.
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14:23 < Hobbes`> jcs from my tftpd logs... the dtb files are downloaded after u-boot. So u-boot is fetching the files but don't see anything about is done with them.
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14:24 < jcs> ok, that sounds normal. u-boot fetches them and loads them into memory, then passes them to our efi bootloader which passes it to the kernel
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14:25 < Hobbes`> I have doubts about how u-boot is working when loaded over the network... It keeps expecting a Linux image and I am having to manually run bootefi to do the handoff.
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16:43 < cve> o/
16:43 < cve> is there a way to have a swaypfile on openbsd?
16:44 < cve> I am currently setting up OpenBGPD and for now, I am only doing IPv6 and the global IPv6 routing table taking about 120MB of RAM ... however, I have been told that the v4 one is larger than 4GB and my server only has 2G of RAM
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16:44 < cve> I think a swapfile would be convenient here compared to a parition ... and the total disk size is only 20GB anyways so I don't want to waste useless space / resize dynamically
16:46 < ssm_> cve: swapctl(8), fstab(5)
16:46 < jcs> swapctl
16:47 < ssm_> also apropos and/or grep -r string /usr/share/man
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16:59 < sandbag> is there a way to know why a service failed to start? i did rcctl enable nginx and it failed but where do i see the logs??
17:00 < sandbag> really annoying there isnt something like systemctl man
17:04 < pardis> why aren't you running Linux if you want Linux?
17:04 < pardis> and the logs are in /var/log
17:04 < pardis> nginx is probably in /var/log/daemon but I don't remember specifically
17:05 < pardis> might also have its own logs, 'ls /var/log' may be enlightening
17:06 < joepublic> I personally do not find the lack of systemd 'annoying' to put it mildly
17:06 < pardis> ah, or /var/www/log since it's chrooted (or maybe check the nginx config)
17:06 < pardis> web servers are an unusual case, most of the time /var/log is where logs go
17:07 < lts> "nginx -t" would be my first check 
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17:07 < lts> Also.. "rcctl enable nginx" doesn't really do anything
17:07 < cgnarne> and then there's rcctl -d action 
17:08 < lts> I mean, it marks it to be started in the next boot yes
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17:11 < sandbag> pardis: u think i wouldnt have checked that before asking?
17:11 < pardis> you didn't say anything about what you did or didn't check
17:11 < sandbag> i already check /var/log and no logs to that service
17:12 < sandbag> pardis: its writing to /var/www/logs/
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17:24 < klsrqm> sandbag: rcctl ls failed
17:24 < klsrqm> to see logs, cat /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon
17:25 < klsrqm> you can also try rcctl configtest nginx
17:25 < oldlaptop> Web servers are special, unfortunately.
17:25 < klsrqm> or simply start nginx in the foreground 
17:25 < klsrqm> then it'll tell you what's going on\
17:26 < klsrqm> usually running nginx in the foreground will tell you where the config fails
17:30 < lts> Or just the "nginx -t"
17:31 < lts> Exceptions being errors where it can't bind to an IP or a port, for example
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17:42 < sandbag> ok thanks klsrqm lts. found the error lines
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18:15 < klsrqm> excellent
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21:15 < riceandbeans> Hey, what would cause a brand new OpenBSD 7.8 VM to delete /etc/hostname.wg0 on every boot?
21:21 < mischief> what's installed besides /etc/hostname.wg0?
21:22 < riceandbeans> I literally just spun it up in vultr and it's got the /etc/hostname.vio0, rustc, go, and one go binary I built but haven't been able to use yet because I needed it on the wireguard network first.
21:22 < riceandbeans> And wireguard-tools
21:22 < mischief> i'd guess that's related to it getting deleted.
21:22 < morpho> permssions
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21:23 < riceandbeans> What permissions?
21:23 < riceandbeans> I've never seen it just delete an interface file before
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22:19 < pardis> 'chflags schg /etc/hostname.wg0', then reboot and see what spits out an error trying to delete it
22:27 < riceandbeans> pardis: Not a thing complained on boot with schg on the file...
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23:23 < pardis> how strange
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