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01:10 < martian67> riceandbeans: something very wrong going on there
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01:16 < martian67> you could use dt(4) early in the boot process (add it to /etc/rc) and see what is trying to delete that file
01:16 < martian67> because this should definitely not be happening
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01:21 < tommyrot> are you not booting the initial vm state each time :p
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08:27 < cve> which device should I use for my BGP network? I am currently announcing my own V6 prefix with my own AS using bgpd(8) and now I want an interface that has the V6 prefix assigned to it?
08:28 < cve> I've been told a separate loopback device might be the way to go, but intuitively it feels wrong?
08:29 < morpho> what ip does the interface have now?
08:30 < morpho> what subnet/prefix
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08:32 < cve> morpho: 2a11:f2c0:ffe3::/48
08:32 < cve> (creating a new interface called lo42 with it)
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08:34 < morpho> so if you have a /48 i would break it up
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08:36 < IcePic> using a lo interface is not a bad idea, since it is always "up" as far as ospf and bgp goes, so it gets announced as available
08:36 < IcePic> ..when using an internal routing protocol
08:37 < IcePic> outwards you would announce the whole network as long as the border router is semi-working, but for internal reachability it is lots better to put it on a loopback than to tie internal reachability to one of N+1 interface addresses
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15:02 < cve> what is the difference between binat-to and rdr-to in pf?
15:03 < cve> practically speaking
15:03 < polarian> cve: rdr-to is port forwarding, binat-to is 1-1 NAT
15:03 < polarian> binat expands out to rdr anyways
15:04 < cve> but what if I don't have a proto tcp ... port XY in the config with combination to rdr-to?
15:04 < polarian> cve: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/nat.html
15:04 < polarian> this explains it 
15:04 < cve> thx
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15:04 < polarian> cve: binat just redirects all to that host 
15:04 < polarian> its useful in situations where you have limited IPv4 addresses
15:04 < pardis> pf.conf(5) also explains it
15:05 < polarian> ah right 
15:05 < polarian> forgot about the man page :p
15:05 < pardis> "It expands to an outbound nat-to rule and an inbound rdr-to rule."
15:05 < pardis> so the difference between rdr-to and binat-to is nat-to
15:05 < polarian> and the fact you usually use rdr-to with a finite number of addresses
15:06 < polarian> s/addresses/ports/
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15:57 < polarian> hmmm weird
15:57 < polarian> can OpenBSD not write to fat32lba 
15:57 < polarian> I use mount_msdos
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15:57 < polarian> OpenBSD can read the USB stick just fine, 802M both on the src, and on the dest (USB) 
15:57 < polarian> but I mount it on freebsd, and it can only see 302M 
15:57 < polarian> and gets errors (not existing files, but their entries are in the fs)
15:57  * polarian sighs
15:58 < polarian> its not a IO error, as I have tried twice
15:58 < polarian> and I dont think its the USB stick... 
15:59 < polarian> I transferred a file between freebsd <---> freebsd on it a few days ago
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18:49 < polarian> hm actually it might be FreeBSD which is the issue here
18:49 < polarian> lemme mount under linux and see, I tried android and it seemed fine
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19:07 < cli> 7.9 when???
19:10 < polarian> when its ready :3
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19:18 < fro> may 19th
19:20 < fanbass> What it will be?
19:21 < fro> what will what be?
19:21 < fanbass> 19th
19:21 < fro> the end
19:22 < fanbass> End of what?
19:22 < fro> everything
19:22 < cli> End of the world
19:23 < cli> It will be the year of the OpenBSD Desktop.
19:23 < fro> hell freezing over
19:23 < polarian> lol
19:24 < polarian> its not even the year of the linux desktop
19:24 < polarian> and bsd has worse support
19:24 < polarian> I do wish one day OpenBSD becomes the standard os :3
19:24 < polarian> FREE FUNCTIONAL AND SECURE FOR ALL!!!!
19:24 < polarian> I wonder what the 7.9 artwork will be 
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19:26 < cli> Maybe sliced fugu on a japanese chef's plate
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19:33 < thrig> fugu smoothie
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20:06 < WrezHole> polarian: something big i hope because the 60th release
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20:10 < polarian> WrezHole: same
20:10 < polarian> I hope they drop a good song too
20:10 < polarian> been ages since theres been a song
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20:32 < deimosBSD> the BSD license file put to music is the song
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20:48 < deimosBSD> given the number of patches per release lately, I'll probably wait a week or two before upgrading. https://termbin.com/4car
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20:54 < tommyrot> i should have never upgraded from 3.8
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21:10 < ssm_> direct your /dev/random device into your filesystem, you never know, it could roll into the 7.9 release
21:10 < ssm_> s/filesystem/& device file/
21:15 < thrig> odds are no
21:15 < rIMpossible> deimosBSD: is this your own histogramm script?
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21:20 < cli> Isn't that graph misleading
21:20 < fro> what's misleading about it?
21:20 < rIMpossible> That graph is wrong, even on 2.0 there were patches, back at that time called security advisories
21:20 < cli> Patches are only made available to the two latest releases. Who knows whether or not the bugs have been there for ages
21:21 < rIMpossible> https://www.openbsd.org/errata20.html
21:21 < cli> It just shows that more stuff is getting fixed
21:21 < cli> Which is a good thing
21:22 < cli> I suppose it depends on what you want to communicate with thst graph
21:23 < fro> well apparnetly it's not grabbing patches for some releases
21:23 < fro> but otherwise it's just patches
21:23 < fro> all patches aren't serious problems
21:24 < rIMpossible> In nearly 30 years of OpenBSD, there added complexity, like the security models (unveil, pledge, ...). If errors occur, that needs to be patched, too.
21:26 < cli> That's right
21:26 < cli> There is just more stuff going on
21:26 < rIMpossible> My personal highlight is from 2.1 -- The installer forgets to install the kernel onto the filesystem. --
21:28 < cli> See
21:29 < cli> That hasn't happened ever since
21:29 < cli> So OpenBSD has improved :-)
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21:41 < rIMpossible> While Windux continues to deteriorate https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Fragnesia
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22:03 < fro> finding LPEs in linux isn't really novel
22:04 < thrig> some novels were serialized, with many repeats
22:04 < rIMpossible> :)
22:04 < fro> i'm just saying it's not a sign of anything really
22:12 < Bradipo> Yeah, but some will read signs.
22:14 < fro> signs all read "uninformed opinions"
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22:26 < deimosBSD> rIMpossible: yes, i'ts just pulling from the website. and yes it has bugs. i'll get around to fixing it some day
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