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05:01 < zv> i'm trying to boot sparc64 install79.iso on a t5-2 (LDOM); is there any reason to expect this to fail? getting "WARNING: Unsupported bootblk image, can not extract fcode". same with install78.iso
05:06 < zv> i haven't tried writing the .img to a usb stick yet (server's at a data center) but that would be my next test
05:14 < zv> using 'lofiadm' to mount the iso as a disk and then use that also fails with the same error, "The file just loaded does not appear to be executable."
05:17 < itrsea> zv: did you copy the install79.iso image onto a disk? Did the partition table get copied correctly to the booting disk?
05:20 < zv> itrsea: I just downloaded the .iso, did ldm add-vdsdev /path/to/install79.iso install79.iso@primary-vds0, then ldm add-vdisk cdrom install79.iso@primary-vds0 my-domain, ldm set-variable boot-device=cdrom my-domain, then start
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05:33 < itrsea> could the disk not be copied? does the first ldm command require a target server to copy the disk image?
05:35 < zv> i'm not sure what you mean. the image is present and the first bytes are '00000000: 4f70 656e 4253 4437 3973 7061 7263 3634  OpenBSD79sparc64'
05:36 < zv> it's the same recipe that I use for solaris, debian, gentoo, and also https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.8/sparc64/INSTALL.sparc64
05:44 < itrsea> zv: I do not know.
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05:51 < zv> ok, I used the .img and now I can boot the installer. so that's an easy fix but doesn't answer the root cause
05:57 < zv> networking is not working but that's separate; will be back
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06:53 < zv> yeah, dhcp fails. configuring networking manually results in being able to ping IPs but not resolve hostnames even with /etc/resolv.conf set appropriately. will need to sniff traffic to debug further unless this is a common/known issue
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09:29 < polarian> "puffyblast" sounds amazing 
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09:53 < polarian> just to check 
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09:55 < polarian> when cd0 (CDROM RW) throws check condition errors, I assume this means the checksumming on CDs do not match due to damaged disks
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10:06 < cgnarne> that depends on the kind of error. check condition means there is something to check. not necessarily an error
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10:12 < polarian> cgnarne: is there a man page to check the error codes against
10:13 < polarian> the error code is 0x70 and the operand is 0x28
10:13 < polarian> I am pretty sure its a damaged disk, theres extensive damage to it, I just want to have solid proof that theres damage before I demand my money back :p
10:13 < cgnarne> the relevant scsi docs. you have to google that
10:14 < polarian> fuck
10:14 < polarian> why does it have to be scsi :p
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10:15 < polarian> cgnarne: wait why would it be scsi 
10:15 < polarian> this is AHCI
10:16 < polarian> ok best I found is 0x70 means that the requested data is inaccessible 
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10:21 < polarian> but honestly I cant seem to find the code anywhere, its not a valid SCSI code, I checked that against wikipedia's list
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10:25 < polarian> against SCSI codes, 0x28 is "NOT READY TO READY CHANGE, MEDIUM MAY HAVE CHANGED" which is listed as opcode, the error code is 0x70 and that within the scsi codes is "DECOMPRESSION EXCEPTION SHORT ALGORITHM ID OF NN"
10:25 < polarian> https://www.stix.id.au/wiki/SCSI_Sense_Data
10:25 < polarian> referencing against this 
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10:34 < mischief> polarian: i thought scsi was emulated, even if it's not actually in use
10:34  * polarian shrugs
10:34 < polarian> I am not an osdev 
10:35 < polarian> I just want to know what the codes mean :(
10:41 < cgnarne> cd drives are always scsi/atapi
10:42 < polarian> cgnarne: right... 
10:42 < polarian> so then the codes make no sense 
10:43 < polarian> 0x28 makes no sense because its being read, and it seems to be a write code, and 0x70 makes no sense as cd's are not compressed
10:43 < polarian> well not usually
10:43 < cgnarne> also see ahci(4), it presents as scsi. that's why your disk shows up as /dev/sd*
10:43 < polarian> its raw wav usually afaik
10:43 < polarian> so there should be no compression
10:43 < polarian> so neither code makes any sense 
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10:48 < cgnarne> it probably does make sense. you just have to figure out how
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10:51 < cgnarne> 0x28 is the asc of the error condition?
10:53 < polarian> 0x28 is the opcode
10:53 < polarian> "error 0x70"
10:53 < polarian> and "opcode 0x28"
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10:58 < cgnarne> 0x28 is a read(10) so nothing unusual
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11:01 < polarian> oh...
11:01 < polarian> so its an error while reading 
11:02 < polarian> so my hypothesis would be correct :)
11:02 < cgnarne> are you trying to a data or an audio cd?
11:02 < cgnarne> to read
11:02 < polarian> im ripping the cd
11:02 < polarian> and I get a bunch of errors
11:02 < cgnarne> maybe the cd is busted?
11:02 < polarian> its all the same, error 0x70 and opcode 0x28
11:02 < polarian> cgnarne: I know the cd is busted
11:02 < polarian> I wanted to know what the codes meant :p
11:03 < polarian> I can use my eyes and see there is a hazy streak going through a large amount of the cd
11:03 < polarian> the moment I saw it I suspected it was busted
11:03 < polarian> the errors just confirmed it
11:03 < cgnarne> right
11:03 < polarian> I just wanted to know what the errors meant :)
11:03 < polarian> knowledge is power :p
11:04 < cgnarne> can you share the full error message?
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11:05 < polarian> yeah lemme stick the CD back in, gimme 10 mins 
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11:08 < mischief> i remember playing scuffed cds as a kid and they would mostly just skip a bit
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11:19 < RobbieAB> When playing audio CDs, audio players could often be fairly tolerant so long as they could at least hold the track
11:19 < RobbieAB> I mean, people we used to similar behaviour from vinyl
11:34 < polarian> yeah I am ripping them in any case its damaged so I am getting it exchanged 
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12:09 < cli> so, will c{,l}ockbreak be backported to 7.8?
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12:17 < oldlaptop> What, this? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=177880556305358&w=2
12:17 < cli> yes
12:17 < oldlaptop> that doesn't seem like it's worth an erratum
12:17 < oldlaptop> (or more precisely like a good fit for one)
12:17 < cli> is it in 7.9 then?
12:17 < cli> the cutoff already happend hasn't it
12:18 < oldlaptop> errata need a favorable importance-to-risk-of-breakage ratio
12:18 < oldlaptop> 7.9 was tagged some time ago, yes
12:19 < cli> ok, so lots of stuff would break when backporting this?
12:19 < cli> or does importance -> 0
12:19 < cli> ?
12:20 < oldlaptop> "Changing this took almost a month with many discarded prototypes." sounds like something that maaaaaaaaaybe should get a little bit of testing to see if anything does break.
12:21 < oldlaptop> (And "[the reporter] agrees no specific exploitability exists." does not seem like a reason to charge, hair blazing, forward with a patch anyway)
12:21 < cli> fair enough
12:22 < cli> timebleed
12:22 < cli> puffyblast
12:22 < RobbieAB> It feels like a "ok, the restrictions here aren't as tight as we would like" patch
12:23 < oldlaptop> "someone with root privileges could set up a symlink at some important path that points somewhere silly, and pledge() wouldn't care"
12:23 < oldlaptop> (I expect the 8.0 release with that patch to cause someone to complain that "you broke my (insane) setup!!!1" on misc@)
12:24 < RobbieAB> If someone already has root privileges, defence has probably already lost.
12:25 < cgnarne> the call is coming from inside the house
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12:26 < RobbieAB> I mean, I agree locking it down tighter is probably a good thing.
12:26 < oldlaptop> It's a backdoor way for the sysadmin to make a piece of security optional.
12:26 < oldlaptop> (Kind of.)
12:27 < cgnarne> then don't do that. problem solved
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12:28 < oldlaptop> Perhaps the next frontier is for someone to notice that you could chmod some __pledge_open() special file a+rw and then silliness could happen
12:28 < oldlaptop> (or should I not give botmasters ideas)
12:29 < oldlaptop> there's a lot of ways to leave the door open - the best that can (or even should) be done is to make sure that's a deliberate choice
12:34 < thrig> speaking of insane setups, there was that exim user who migrated to smtpd
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12:36 < RobbieAB> thrig: Not sure what part of that is insane?
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12:39 < thrig> running exim?
12:40 < RobbieAB> At one time it was a reasonable choice.
12:41 < tommyrot> didn't smtpd have an rce couple years back
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12:47 < thrig> they were passing user-provided strings to system(3) which is generally always a bad idea. meanwhile exim for some reason got itself unported
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13:28 < kiliro> saluton (greeting)
13:29 < kiliro> Today will be a great day.  I can feel it!
13:29 < kiliro> I gotta a feeling....
13:30 < thrig> https://www.savagechickens.com/2014/11/a-good-day-to-die.html
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13:30 < quinq> Better than getting an eeling
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13:31 < ssm_> I'm sitting on a febuary snapshot still waiting for the release
13:31 < quinq> ok
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13:31 < ssm_> >:(
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13:32 < ssm_> you may read that emote big endian or small endian
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13:35 < thrig> but not pdp endian?
13:37 < ssm_> dpd endian + i
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13:42 < quinq> (:>
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14:50 < avemestr> polarian: Check if the CD you're trying to rip is actually... a CD. What I mean by that is that it actually adheres to the redbook standard. One easy tell is that it contains the familiar "Compact Disc" logo.
14:51 < avemestr> For the last 15-20 years a lot of companies have released "CDs" that is blatantly in violation of the standard. "For copy protection purposes".
14:52 < avemestr> You'll also find that some CDs actually conforms to the standard. But the label didn't want to pay the license fee. Those CDs are easy to rip even if they do not have the logo on the cover/disc.
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14:54 < avemestr> But in my experience... most CDs released in the last especially 15 years have mangled TOCs and such to make ripping difficult, but still ensuring they play in old-school standalone CD-players that are very forgiving for "bad data".
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14:59 < avemestr> Sony spend 10 years promoting their own invention. And has since spent 34 years trying to kill it due to its lack of DRM. *Sigh*
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15:06 < cgnarne> a very Sony thing to do
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15:33 < avemestr> polarian: FWIW, I've seen this work well: abcde -p -V -W 2 -o flac -d /dev/rcd0c
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15:43 < polarian> avemestr: it is
15:43 < polarian> its a broken cd
15:43 < polarian> and I am using abcde just fine :)
15:43 < polarian> its just a defective CD
15:44 < polarian> I can literally see the damage
15:45 < polarian> actually the damage might not be enough to corrupt it
15:45 < polarian> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_CD
15:45 < polarian> its branded as enhanced cd
15:46 < polarian> no enhanced CDs rip just fine 
15:46 < polarian> I ripped another one without error
15:46 < renaud> I have had some music CDs that I couldn't play, but could rip easily. Besides, you can report to Philips copy protected CDs where it's written that it's a normal CD.
15:47 < renaud> If I remember correctly, if they have the logo Compact Disc, and it's copy protected, Philips will attack them
15:48 < avemestr> Yep.
15:48 < polarian> lol
15:48 < polarian> in any case I just think the disk is damaged...
15:48 < renaud> I don't think I have bought a CD in the last 10 years
15:49 < avemestr> It's all the rage again. CD sales are going up once more.
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15:53 < morpho> i liked cassette
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15:56 < polarian> avemestr: I was always interested, but struggled to find the funds to, even then I only have a small collection
15:56 < polarian> I usually bought on bandcamp
15:57 < polarian> I still rather buy on bandcamp because artist gets most the cash
15:57 < polarian> but for albums you cant, cd is a good way to get it without drm (or well, weak drm)
15:57 < polarian> iirc some cds have DRM on
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16:00 < kiliro> why the interest in CDs?
16:00 < morpho> polarian: you can get the hdmi keys off a ps3 i think, trying to find more info on it
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16:01 < kiliro> I can understand the interest in vinyl and cassettes...but not for CDs
16:01 < polarian> morpho: thats to strip widevine DRM :)
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16:01 < polarian> kiliro: its raw wav 
16:01 < polarian> not compressed lossy shit from music streaming services
16:01 < polarian> they look nice too
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16:01 < morpho> pretty much as good as you can get second to the raw masters
16:01 < polarian> theres a lot of work which goes into the art
16:02 < kiliro> oh...but if you already have wav, you can do without the CD?
16:02 < polarian> you can rip, flac them and then use them as you wish
16:02 < polarian> (although not strictly legal)
16:02 < morpho> most vinyls are just the cd 44khz mastered slightly differently
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16:02 < polarian> kiliro: technically, but they look cool!
16:02 < polarian> morpho: vinyls have a unique sound
16:02 < polarian> audiophiles go mad for it
16:02 < kiliro> oh...the looks are something cool
16:02 < morpho> polarian: only if it was mastered for it
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16:02 < kiliro> I dumped about 200 vinyls
16:02 < polarian> kiliro: also my friends have a CD only party
16:02 < morpho> i believe Daft Punks random access memories was 100% analog production
16:02 < polarian> where we bring CDs
16:02 < polarian> of our favourite albums
16:03 < kiliro> cool
16:03 < polarian> no streaming bullshit 
16:03 < polarian> yeah 
16:03 < polarian> they are also very durable if you look after them 
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16:03 < polarian> handle them with care, and they will last longer than some spinning rust or nand you put the songs onto
16:04 < morpho> hrmm, daft punk RAM was recorded on tape but mastered digitally, it sounds good on vinyl though
16:04 < morpho> CDs die from UV light
16:04 < morpho> isnt that right?
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16:04 < avemestr> kiliro: It think part of the appeal is the "I don't need a screen to play a CD". No need to fiddle with a phone or whatever.
16:06 < avemestr> kiliro: There's also the thing, that people are tired of monthly subscriptions. And tired of "now owning" anything. After a 5 year long Spotify subscription, you're left with... nothing.
16:06 < polarian> also 
16:06 < avemestr> kiliro: Not to mention the surveillance perspective built-in on streaming services, podcasts, etc.
16:06 < polarian> CDs are often discarded to charities
16:06 < polarian> they will give you a CD for a few quid
16:06 < polarian> and the money goes to charity 
16:06 < polarian> raid your local charity shop, you might find some really good albums for dirt cheap
16:07 < avemestr> Yep!
16:07 < morpho> britcore
16:07 < morpho> lots of 2000s rnb
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16:07 < polarian> remember to pay cash so visa/mastercard + gov + bank dont know what you're buying, and save the charity paying the transaction fee 
16:08 < avemestr> Unfortunately, my country is so small, that local bands don't even bother with CD releases anymore because they expect to sell less than 500 copies. So often it's only vinyl + streaming for new releases.
16:08 < morpho> i have a reel to reel i need to fix
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16:09 < morpho> polarian: how easy is it to repair cd players? cassettes decks are okay but the belts rot in them, vinyl players are very easy to repair
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16:10 < frostyfalls> hey there. trying to set env vars for www/redlib running with rc. i've created a login class called 'redlib' (matching the daemon name, verified it should be in use with 'rcctl get redlib class'), and used the 'setenv' option to set a variable, however it's not being propagated to the daemon. ran in the foreground with rcctl -d to check. what could i be doing wrong here?
16:11 < frostyfalls> https://wolfgirl.party/2PAk4Vf.txt
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16:12 < polarian> morpho: pretty much impossible
16:12 < polarian> a CD player is really simple, its just a reader, with some speakers
16:12 < polarian> so I dont recommend a "player"
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16:13 < polarian> I recommend getting good speakers, pick an old laptop or something, run OpenBSD on it, connect your audio setup, and play from OpenBSD
16:13 < polarian> this keeps it repairable
16:13 < polarian> if the cd reader dies, you replace it
16:13 < polarian> either with a usb one, or a integrated one (hence old laptop_)
16:14 < polarian> afaik you could have the laptop run headless and detect a CD 
16:14 < polarian> and play whenever a CD is plugged in
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16:14 < polarian> s/plugged in/put in/
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16:19 < morpho> https://projects.omarpolo.com/amused.html
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16:22 < kiliro> I love it!  looks like it does great stuff
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16:22 < kiliro> I do not listen to music very often...it is a distractor and will not let me do things which I need to concentrate on.
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16:23 < kiliro> I listen to music perhaps once a week for 1 or 2 songs
16:24 < kiliro> but this audio program looks nice...with few, simple dependencies and pipeable commands
16:24 < kiliro> on shell
16:24 < oldlaptop> frostyfalls: I wouldn't assume offhand (don't have time to check right now) that rc(8) uses a login shell in the first place.
16:25 < kiliro> like amused show | grep -vi riverside | amused load
16:27 < frostyfalls> oldlaptop: i did have that thought as well, but if it doesn't, then i'm not sure how else i could achieve that without editing the script (would like to avoid)
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16:36 < avemestr> kiliro: There's also moc (executable: mocp) and cmus for slightly more featureful TUI players.
16:38 < oldlaptop> meta-object compiler player?!
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16:47 < kiliro> I prefer piping, even if I do not smoke
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17:17 < avemestr> Sounds like a pipe dream!
17:19  * RobbieAB is very fond of MPD
17:20 < RobbieAB> And getting one of my openbsd systems connected to a set of speakers is on my "todo" list.
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17:33 < avemestr> IME USB interfaces works fine, so any speakers that can connect via USB is easy.
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17:45 < cli> anybody else in here not being able to boot bsd.upgrade
17:45 < cli> the installer tells me sth about /mnt/etc/firsttime being missing - to reboot afterwards
17:45 < cli> just a -current hiccup?
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17:55 < IcePic> firsttime sounds like something rc runs on the boot after the upgrade
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18:06 < pardis> if you can't boot bsd.upgrade, how do you see anything from the installer?
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18:06 < pardis> the installer runs following a boot of bsd.upgrade
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18:20 < sonya> typical issue when bsd.rd fails to upgrade is when you replace part(s) of / (root tree) with wrong symlinks.. example: # mv /usr/local /home/ && ln -s /home/local /usr/  ...  correct action is: # mv /usr/local /home/ && cd /usr/ && ln -s ../home/local ./
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18:29 < pardis> is that really a typical issue?
18:29 < pardis> can't think of any time I've wanted to make /usr/local a symlink on any OS
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18:30 < pardis> and seems extremely unlikely to be related to /etc/rc.firsttime
18:30 < pardis> but until we get an actual error message, who knows?
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18:32 < oldlaptop> making random /usr subtrees into symlinks sounds like a good way to hit "well, no, we never tested that, because it's insane" issues
18:33 < oldlaptop> (like the one release where it was discovered that one-giant-/ had broken at some point several months previously, but apparently nobody running -current both had such a non-sane setup and bothered to report it)
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18:54 < thrig> alas that various VPS cram everything into a / for reasons unknown
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19:42 < cli> I meant to say that bsd.upgrade doesn't upgrade properly
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21:20 < sonya> pardis: it is.. when your default partition layout prevents proper upgrade..
21:21 < sonya> and you just transfer from root tree to /home (biggest available) to save some space..
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21:26 < oldlaptop> "Remember, this is only temporary, unless it works."
21:26 < quinq> sonya, that is a legitimate issue
21:26 < quinq> But that work-arounds quirky at best, possibly “dangerous”
21:26 < quinq> oldlaptop :(
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21:46 < tvtoon> "/" inside "/home"? Crazy chroot...
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22:28 < jetpackjackson> How come the default partition layout is so many partitions?
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22:30 < thrig> a) historical reasons b) security c) other
22:30 < thrig> d) quotas 
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22:32 < oldlaptop> you won't want the same mount options for all of them (part of this falls under "security", but not all - maybe you want to live slightly dangerously and mount /tmp async, but aren't so eager to mount /var and /home async)
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22:33 < oldlaptop> /usr/obj would be another one with, uh, expendable files (if you're going to have and use it)
22:33 < thrig> nosuid,wxallowed,noatime
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22:43 < tommyrot> we're getting 52 partitions
22:43 < tommyrot> each executable in base gets its own
22:43 < pardis> congratulations, you just invented docker
22:44 < tommyrot> - Added infrastructure to allow future support of up to 52 partitions per disk.
22:45 < tommyrot> sorry for the spoiler, i peaked at 79.html
22:45 < pardis> hopefully the plan is something more interesting than yet more ffses
22:46  * oldlaptop has had at least one machine for which ending at -p was awkward
22:46 < oldlaptop> It crimps the "leave a bunch unallocated for future expansion" strategy a bit.
22:47 < pardis> I've used the concat softraid discipline to make more partitions before
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