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01:38 < rnkn> happy 7.9 day erryone
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02:31 < eea> ^
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02:48 < rtj> :) ty devs!
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04:16 < rnkn> I have done a sysupgrade a handful of times before but not on in production; how much downtime should I allow?
04:17 < rnkn> I guess the responsible thing would be to clone the server, do the upgrade and see
04:20 < dg> generally it is O(minutes), although depends on the hardware. Often upgrading ports takes longer
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04:20 < dg> (and depending what is "production" you might not have a working server until ports are upgraded)
04:23 < rnkn> I've used portgen to build Perl's carton, so that could complicate things
04:24  * rnkn is anxious
04:25 < dg> sounds like your plan of testing in advance is worthwhile then
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05:16 < cli> deimosBSD this sounds very nice
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08:27 < andrath> sysupgrade is awesome, so painless
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08:43 < citbl> the way it should be
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09:21 < rnkn> eek
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10:31 < sandbag> andrath: linux distros are the same, haven't seen any upgrade process to be painful
10:33 < xerox> deimosBSD: cool do you have a picture of the shirt?
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10:52 < avemestr> Pfew!
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11:29 < avemestr> Postgresql could learn a bit from OpenBSD in regards to upgrades :-)
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16:44 < jab> heyo openBSD...I'm currently running snapshops, and I'm hoping to upgrade to the last version of OpenBSD.   
16:44 < jab> soon.
16:44 < jab> Should be fun!
16:44 < jab> basically, I want to move from using snapshots to running release.
16:44 < jab> We'll see if it works!
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16:59 < pardis> it should work fine provided you haven't already updated to a snapshot that is newer than the release
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17:01 < mischief> i did sysupgrade -R 7.9 on my thinkpad A485 after running current for some time. worked like a charm
17:02 < mischief> solid 300Mbps rx on iwm(4) on it :-)
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17:48 < cgnarne> qwx: i tried cdfs over usb with you patch. failed almost instantly. i'm trying to decypher the cdfs.log
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17:57 < cgnarne> going to try with a smaller Maxrpc
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18:05 < cgnarne> oops, wrong channel, sry
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18:48 < echelon> i'm reading https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/upgrade/ `fw_update -c` doesn't seem to be a valid option
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18:59 < lts> Indeed it is not, and that is not an official source
19:03 < tux0r> echelon: https://man.openbsd.org/fw_update
19:04 < echelon> oh thanks
19:05 < echelon> for some reason that site always comes up first
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19:07 < lts> You are looking for https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade79.html
19:07 < echelon> thanks
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19:30 < tux0r> a good search engine has priority settings^^
19:30 < fro> what
19:30 < tux0r> wrong sites that "always come up first" are a sign of a bad choice regarding your search engine
19:30 < tux0r> anyway, i noticed that 7.8->7.9 worked lovely..ly.
19:31 < jab> mischief: I am giving it a try.  Thanks!
19:31 < jab> also weird bug report...I'm getting weird glitches with dino-im.
19:32 < jab> using dino-im lately, on i3.
19:32 < jab> sometimes the dino window will disappear and reappear.
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20:23 < Bradipo> tux0r: Lately it seems like all search engines return dismal results.
20:26 < tux0r> i haven't tried a different search engine since my kagi subscription, admittedly
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20:33 < Bradipo> I've wondered about kagi...
20:33 < Bradipo> I've used it a couple times (free trial), but I don't now if it's worth $$$.
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20:34 < Bradipo> Are the results really that much better?
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20:40 < tux0r> IMO, yes
20:40 < tux0r> and you have a "pin this source" (like google... recently) and "block this site" feature
20:40 < tux0r> and a "report AI slop" button that actually works
20:41 < tux0r> AND their kagifeedback forum is really nice. report what kagi does badly, wait a week, they'll fix it.
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20:42 < tux0r> the porn video search leaves room for improvement, but general web search never let me down. every time i think it missed an important result, i counter-check with brave or duckduckgo or something, only to find out that said result does not exist
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20:44 < tux0r> i'm not rich enough to just spend money on whatever i could as well have for free. having a search engine that does one thing well (searching...) is worth the few $$$. plus, kagi translate is much better than google translate and deepl, but that's probably because i have reported a few bugs in it.. - just my personal opinion,. of course
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20:47 < ssm__> kagi pushes slop bots even if their search is good. no thanks
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20:50 < ssm__> the enemy of my enemy but they're not actually enemies of each other just both my enemy
20:50 < ssm__> guess we're going back to webrings and gopher; fine by me that's what I wanted anyways
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20:52 < ssm__> specific citation for this dooming => https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/
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21:08 < tux0r> i still use gopher and usenet (and IRC, fwiw), but the web without a search engine that actually searches just is a waste of time and energy (and nerves)
21:09 < tux0r> if there will ever be a (paid or unpaid) search engine that is better than kagi (= no side effects, still no ads, no politics), please ping me
21:09 < tux0r> until then, i'll stick with it
21:09 < echelon> what's kagi
21:10 < tux0r> echelon: a paid search engine / translator / browser vendor / news aggregator
21:10 < tux0r> -> kagi.com
21:10 < echelon> thanks
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21:28 < fro> https://nitter.net/ortegaalfredo/status/2057109561702580311#m
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21:34 < cli> wHAT
21:34 < cli> panic on exit
21:34 < cli> Is this legitimate?
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21:37 < phy1729> The stack trace makes sense and points to a line with that assert
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21:39 < fro> whatever anyone thinks of using AI tools to find bugs (or do other things) the person posting it is legit at least
21:39 < fro> i mean he's kind of a dick
21:39 < fro> but he's not an idiot
21:41 < quinq> What about the kernel relink failure?
21:41 < fro> what about it?
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21:42 < quinq> Could it be modified
21:43 < fro> could be a lot of things
21:43 < quinq> Hence my question
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21:51 < fro> guess you'll have to wait for the write up!
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21:55 < echelon> how do i prevent resflash from creating the inactive partition for upgrades?
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22:20 < quinq> fro, that's not the kernel build id I have
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22:28 < ssm__> fro: llm transformers weight output on frequency of terms in training data, not any sort of any real analysis. the serial liars are lying and I'll bet my [important thing] on that. also finding full exploits instead of just bugs is suspicious
22:29 < ssm__> ancapistan is sitting on a copy of 0days and saying the bots found them
22:29 < ssm__> okay tinfoil off
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22:29 < fro> yeah uh
22:30 < fro> whatever makes y'all feel better i guess
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22:30 < ssm__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZh9BOjkQs
22:30 < fro> no thanks
22:30 < ssm__> this doesn't find bugs
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22:33 < ssm__> -3s/copy (of 0days)/pile \1/
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23:26 < ssm__> fro: I'm checking the lists and no one has reported this yet, or I'm blind (likely)
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23:38 < ssm__> sorry if I'm being cringe, cynicism is invoked when some chucklefuck no one has heard of on extremely astroturf'd comms gives a bad faith bug non-report for exit(3) with no explaination doing fake static analysis with a multi-year featless hype machine
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23:41 < ssm__> even if it finds bugs it's a square wheel. what if you gave that much compute to real static/dynamic analysis tools to infinite monkey typewriter on every codebase instead of using a chatbox.
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