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02:10 < lts> Oooooh "pkg_add: Added nginx-1.28.3->1.30.2"
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03:17 < rnkn> it seems dump(8) sends its output to stderr rather than stdout. man that annoys me.
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06:23 < atops> hello
06:27 < dg> rnkn: it would annoy you if errors went into the output when using dump -f -, I'm not sure why you'd expect it not to use stderr
06:27 < IcePic> o7
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06:28 < rnkn> I didn't say errors, it sends its regular log output to stderr
06:28 < dg> well, any output getting mixed up with the dump output would be problematic
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06:30 < IcePic> what dg says. You can't pipe output to a file if log text also gets added
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08:08 < rnkn> I think I am being misunderstood
08:09 < rnkn> the messages that should be going to stdout are going to stderr
08:09 < rnkn> plenty of programs do this, it's just annoying and wrong
08:09 < rnkn> if you don't believe me I encourage you to go run dump and see
08:10 < atops2> hello can you all see my message?
08:13 < IcePic> atops2: we can
08:13 < quinq> Hello atops2, yes
08:14 < quinq> rnkn, the rationale was explained
08:15 < quinq> “you don't want program diagnosis output going to the same file descriptor as its actual data output”
08:15 < rnkn> jfc
08:15 < rnkn> it is its actual data output I'm talking about
08:16 < quinq> The actual data is going to stderr? That'd be a serious bug that strangely you'd be the firt to discover
08:17 < rnkn> oh I see
08:17 < rnkn> -f - would be stdout and that would ruin everything
08:17 < rnkn> sorry
08:17 < adhoc> do you have any aliases in teh shell for the command ?
08:18 < rnkn> carry on
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08:18 < mischief> here's my dump mail from cron.. working as expected. http://p.offblast.org/jlowlooe
08:18 < quinq> rnkn, no problem, glad we could get to an understanding :)
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08:19 < rnkn> yes I have another task that is frustrating me, sorry for the aggro
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08:19 < quinq> It's fine :)
08:19 < rnkn> :)
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10:59 < dzwdz> hi
10:59 < dzwdz> so when i try to run "fdisk sd0" in the install environment, i get "fdisk: opendev('sd0', 0x0): No such file or directory"
11:00 < dzwdz> but sd0 does exist, it was listed as an available drive for the install, and it's in dmesg
11:00 < dzwdz> same for sd1, which is another drive in this machine
11:00 < dzwdz> any ideas what i could be doing wrong?
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11:05 < quinq> This anubis thing is so freaking broken
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11:16 < vortexx> dzwdz: cd /dev && sh ./MAKEDEV sd0
11:17 < vortexx> repeat for sd1
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11:17 < IcePic> I think fdisk likes getting "rsd0c" or so, even though I will figure that out from "sd0", but still
11:18 < IcePic> but from bsd.rd, having to run MAKEDEV is sad but true
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11:18 < IcePic> should be some background thing getting run while you think about a good hostname or so
11:18 < dzwdz> ty
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11:25 < dzwdz> how much space do you need to build openbsd nowadays?
11:25  * dzwdz is trying to figure out a half-decent partition layout
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11:36 < vortexx> dzwdz: you can use the defaults for src but for xenocara you need to add something like /usr/xobj (best make it about the same size as /usr/obj )
11:38 < vortexx> probably need a partition for /usr/xenocara as well 
11:38 < vortexx> unless you make a really big /usr
11:39 < dzwdz> i'm intentionally not using the defaults here, this box only has 25G sadly
11:39 < dzwdz> and i want some flexibility, i don't want to run out of space when building ports and such
11:40 < dzwdz> my current plan was to allocate 15G to /usr (without separate /usr/* partitions)
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11:41 < cgnarne> 25G is a bit anemic for that
11:42 < dzwdz> yeah :(
11:42 < dzwdz> it's a server, hopefully it'll be fine
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11:42 < cgnarne> why do you want to build ports? are you developing your own port entries?
11:43 < tommyrot> usr/local has wxallowed mount flag so you might want to keep that separate
11:43 < morpho> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Partitioning
11:43 < dzwdz> i might be
11:43 < morpho> also recomends a seperate /var/
11:43 < dzwdz> i do have a separate /var/
11:44 < dzwdz> this is going to be a tor relay, i was told that having around ~5G of space for /usr/ports/ might be useful there
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11:45 < dzwdz> i might also be compiling some patched versions of tor
11:45 < dzwdz> in the past i've helped fixed a libressl bug related to tor too, so i want to have enough space to compile openbsd too if i'm doing something like that again
11:46 < dzwdz> if i need to patch something there
11:46 < vortexx> you probably don't need to recompile the whole OS just to patch and compile a library
11:46 < dzwdz> true
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11:47 < morpho> keep it simple
11:47 < atops> hello everyone
11:47 < morpho> hi atops
11:48 < hmjsp> hiya
11:48 < dzwdz> so, does 15G /usr + 1G /usr/local sound reasonable?
11:49 < tommyrot> i would expect 'auto' to work as no dev is gonna fiddle with partitions each time they (re)install the os
11:49 < hmjsp> i have a very odd issue... i'm still on 7.8, but i had to reboot after like 90 days of uptime because of a power outage. now mail stops working. this seems to be the issue, from smtpd debug, as it is the only service that doesn't work: dkimsign_rsa: pledge: Invalid argument\nwarn: lost processor: dkimsign_rsa exited abnormally. im aware of pledge changes, but that's for the next release, no?
11:49 < hmjsp> cause i saw this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=177271685030686&w=2
11:51 < hmjsp> `strings /usr/local/libexec/smtpd/filter-dkimsign | grep stdio` gives `tmppath stdio`, but that's expected as it's 7.8... so why am i getting an error?
11:51 < morpho> dzwdz: on my last vm i just did thee partitions: /var/, /usr/local/, /
11:52 < dzwdz> i thought it's best to keep / separate from everything else
11:52 < dzwdz> hm
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12:03 < rkta> Why does my httpd location rule not match? location "/\?action=*" { block return 404 } I still get the index.html.
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12:06 < vortexx> dzwdz: I'd do 2.5G for /usr and do a /usr/build with 12.5G because /usr isn't mounted nosuid whereas the src building partitions are
12:07 < vortexx> and do symlinks from /usr/{src,obj,xenocara,xobj} to /usr/build/{src,obj,xenocara,xobj} 
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12:22 < rkta> because ?action is not a location, I guess. Anyway to match those query parameters? Can relayd do it? I don't want to send the root document for those GETs.
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12:48 < oldlaptop> vortexx: I can see combining the objs in one filesystem, but wouldn't you want them separate from src?
12:48 < oldlaptop> (so they can be newfs-ed to clean them, mounted async, etc.)
12:49 < oldlaptop> or would a sufficiently-close local mirror arrangement make it okay to treat src just as ephemerally as obj?
12:50 < oldlaptop> I could swear the FAQ used to specifically recommend newfs-ing /usr/obj.
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13:12 < thrig> something did but looking back is still a bit hazy
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13:16 < oldlaptop> It's a lot smaller than it used to be
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13:32 < vortexx> oldlaptop: I'd swear it said to newfs as well
13:33 < vortexx> (wasn't it in man release?)
13:34 < vortexx> I guess src/xenocara could fit in 2-3G
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13:42 < rIMpossible> Hello. I am following the instructions in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/firefox to get mupdf handling downloaded pdf docs instead of the integrated reader.
13:43 < rIMpossible> After restarting, it does not show me mupdf to choose for application/pdf. it is registered with xdg-mime and the query with xdg-mime shows, that mupdf is registered to handle pdf docs.
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13:44 < rIMpossible> Anyone else here, with the same problem or do I miss something?
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13:53 < thrig> allowing firefox to exec random programs sounds like a bad security design
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14:28 < broke> is there a way to configure wsconsctl (or whatever) to control the step up in percentage for the brightness for the dedicated FN + brightness buttons?
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14:39 < vortexx> broke: none that I've heard of
14:39 < IcePic> probably somewhat driver dependant
14:39 < broke> it uses inteldrm
14:40 < broke> wsdisplay0 at inteldrm0 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation), using wskbd0
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14:42 < cgnarne> i don't think that inteldrm does brightness control
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14:42 < broke> as in the kind of control I mentioned?
14:42 < broke> step up and down?
14:42 < broke> in percentages.. I mean.
14:43 < broke> oh well, thanks for the info, sometimes it feels too bright and too dark on the next and previous step so I have to do wsconsctl manually sometimes
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14:44 < cgnarne> brightness is done by acpithinkpad(4) for example
14:44 < broke> so I can control it with some kind of configuration there?
14:45 < cgnarne> no
14:45 < broke> thanks that's all I needed to know
14:45 < broke> thanks for the quick response
14:45 < cgnarne> it hooks into wscons
14:45 < broke> (cuz I gtg, thanks)
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15:48 < ssm_> no syspatch, in a heck of a long time!
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15:49 < ssm_> the bugs fell off
15:50 < thrig> the bugs! they've stopped! <darth vader closing in noises>
15:51 < lts> They're just ignoring the unbound situation
15:59 < ssm_> unwind can do everything unbound does if you don't need to do anything
16:01 < cgnarne> running unwind is always a good idea
16:04 < lts> I use unbound in DNS servers, not just as a local client resolver. The OpenBSD version has been vulnerable to cache poisoning and remote code execution for over a week now https://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/unbound/security-advisories/
16:07 < ssm_> I can't find anything in bugs@ or tech@ relating to it, maybe you should report it 
16:08 < lts> I'm hesitant to do that. Did it once for another OS and got so much spam in return
16:08 < cgnarne> i think they know. someone has to do the work.
16:08 < vortexx> I'm *very* surprised this hasn't been raised on tech@ so far
16:08 < ssm_> something something bystander effect
16:10 < vortexx> or why discussing on irc isn't the same as sending in a bug report
16:11 < cgnarne> i'm shocked
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16:19 < martian67> lts https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/usr.sbin/unbound?sort=File
16:19 < martian67> 1.25.1 is merged
16:20 < lts> Very nice, thank you. Errata coming for 7.9?
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16:23 < martian67> i don’t know
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16:24 < martian67> it has been three days, it’s very likely that this got missed
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16:50 < Skullheadx> Hi can you guys see this msg?
16:50 < hmjsp> yeah
16:51 < mischief> Skullheadx: roger dodger rubber ducky, over
16:51 < Skullheadx> Cool. I had to register NickServ
16:52 < Skullheadx> I'm trying to setup a homelab with an openbsd vps as the reverse proxy. Do I need to use wireguard + relayd or is there a simpler setup?
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16:55 < lts> Wireguard for the connection to the actual backend? That's pretty much the best way to do it. I prefer nginx stream module instead of relayd but it's the same really
16:56 < lts> Difference is just about where you terminate TLS
17:05 < pardis> if you're using the nginx stream module without TLS termination, why not just use pf forwarding and skip userspace altogether?
17:07 < lts> The redirect target depends on what (sub)domain is in the SNI field. I don't think PF can do that
17:08 < pardis> ah, makes sense
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17:15 < technoid_>  Anyone have a "first things to do on a new openbsd install"?
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17:17 < lts> Well the defaults are pretty good actually. Not that common with most OSs
17:17 < thrig> be sure to go into the registry and turn off copilot, again
17:17 < lts> Ah yes, and Claude Cowork too
17:18 < technoid_> Not my first time running it, but always open to what other suggest 
17:18 < typicat> let it bee let it beeeeee
17:19 < lts> My ansible scripts set up my default firewall rules, ~/.profile, opensmptd, and ~/.tmux.conf
17:19 < lts> Other operating systems require more playbooks but openbsd is pretty good out of the box
17:20 < typicat> i pkg_add git curl zsh and clone my dots
17:20 < technoid_> okay, will just make my own notes of things I need
17:20 < technoid_> all ready add bash and sudo
17:21 < lts> You might want to use doas instead of sudo
17:21 < technoid_> it is my linux cruthc
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17:21 < technoid_> I plan on trying it out, but just don't know it yet
17:21 < lts> That is fine
17:21 < phy1729> man afterboot  has a list of things for that "warm fuzzy feeling"
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17:22 < technoid_> thanks
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17:25 < thrig> do not sit on heat sink
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17:38 < martian67> Technoid read the intro manpages
17:38 < martian67> Starting with intro(1)
17:40 < technoid_> will do
17:43 < lts> I'll argue that intro(8) is the most useful
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17:58 < martian67> Also the excellent faq
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18:55 < echelon> in openbsd how do i route a subnet through an interface instead of a gateway ip
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19:08 < falsifian> echelon: Can you give more detail about your situation? If the subnet is directly reachable through that interface, I would configure the interface to have that subnet using ifconfig.
19:09 < echelon> well i need it to be a persistent change in hostname.<if>, i just need the correct syntax
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19:10 < echelon> but all the examples specify using a gateway ip
19:11 < falsifian> From https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Setup.if : "inet 10.0.0.38 255.255.255.0" in /etc/hostname.fxp0 to reach 10.0.0.0/24 via fxp0 (and assign fxp0 a particular address in that subnet)
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19:13 < falsifian> ipv6 ULA example: One of my own files has "inet6 fdd2:0492:21ff:1::e/64"
19:14 < mischief> check the last entry of route(8) EXAMPLES
19:14 < mischief> might work for you
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19:23 < echelon> thanks!
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19:38 < vxla> falsifian: if 10.0.0.0/24 is directly connected then you won't need a route.
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19:48 < falsifian> Yes, I was confused by the question and my best guess is that's what they were looking for. What else could it mean to route through a subnet without a particular IP to route to?
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19:54 < falsifian> s/route through a subnet/route through an interface/
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20:09 < extrowerk> I am happy somebody writes books about OBSD, I am sad, MWL does that. Sadly I can't tolerate his quirky writing style. He sounds like a 16 years old.
20:12 < cgnarne> ok
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