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07:08 < quinq> Hi
07:08 < quinq> After having upgraded to 7.9 (although not sure it's corelated), I suddenly get an NSD error on a zone, without having touched anything there
07:09 < quinq> May 29 09:00:59 $host nsd[45979]: master/$zone_file:2: No last stated owner
07:09 < quinq> Any idea what that could mean?
07:09 < quinq> (it's also refusing to serve the zone
07:09 < quinq> )
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07:21 < IcePic> quinq: google says it misses the SOA record
07:21 < IcePic> or the SOA record is there but not correct
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07:25 < quinq> Hummm
07:25 < quinq> It's there
07:25 < quinq> And then again, that same zone file has been working for 6 years without change
07:25 < quinq> I'll check it, thanks
07:25 < IcePic> the thinking machines at googlez hints at this:
07:25 < IcePic> Ensure your zone file begins with a valid $TTL and SOA record.Make sure the primary Name Server (NS) and A records match your server.Check the ownership permissions of your zone files so the NSD service can read them.
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07:26 < quinq> Ah, there's no TTL
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07:26 < quinq> Is that a requirement now?
07:26 < quinq> Ah wait, that's from the parrot machine
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07:29 < quinq> Found it (at least it werks now)
07:30 < quinq> It seems there's a bug in NSD zone file parser, or I misunderstand something here
07:30 < quinq> I had:
07:30 < quinq> $ORIGIN domain.tld
07:30 < quinq> IN SOA bla bla (
07:30 < quinq> Was working fine but now fails
07:30 < quinq> If I change it to:
07:30 < quinq> $ORIGIN tld
07:31 < quinq> domain IN SOA bla bla (
07:31 < quinq> It's accepted
07:31 < quinq> (sorry, that's tld. instead of just tld, on both)
07:31 < IcePic> the normal defaults would be to have "@ IN SOA ..."
07:31 < quinq> well, @ by itself isn't very useful
07:32 < IcePic> $ORIGIN example.com.
07:32 < IcePic> $TTL 3600
07:32 < IcePic> @ IN SOA ns1.example.com. hostmaster.example.com. (
07:32 < quinq> @ is a shortcut when you want foo.@ for example
07:32 < IcePic> something like that
07:32 < quinq> Yeah, you have to repeat the $ORIGIN
07:32 < quinq> Which is weird
07:32 < quinq> Anyways, thanks IcePic for the hint, it's fixed now :)
07:33 < IcePic> hth
07:33 < rnkn> maybe a silly question but is there a way to reorder and relink the kernel in a running system?
07:33 < rnkn> or does it need to happen at boot?
07:34 < IcePic> you can do it later
07:34 < IcePic> just run the cmds that /etc/rc does for relinking
07:34 < IcePic> also, if one builds a kernel from source, the "make install" step will do it before installing it
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07:36 < rnkn> I'm just getting relink kernel failures after syspatch a lot
07:36 < rnkn> there's a thread on misc@ but no solution
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07:40 < rnkn> can I try /usr/libexec/reorder_kernel before trying all the stuff in /etc/rc?
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07:53 < rnkn> okay that worked
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07:56 < rnkn> oh wait, is reordering the kernel at boot going to fail is /usr is mounted ro in fstab?
07:57 < quinq> Kernel is in /
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08:00 < rnkn> but doesn't the reordering happen in /usr/share/relink/kernel or some such place?
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08:01 < rnkn> new development, I marked /usr as rw in fstab and relinking on boot succeeded
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08:06 < quinq> Ah, right, sorry
08:06 < quinq> Though it might be possible to pass a variable for changing the build directory (not sure)
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08:06 < IcePic> I also think it used to (perhaps still do) have issues if you try to softlink /usr/share/relink to someplace else with more space
08:07 < IcePic> haven't tried it in a while, but I remember doing it when it started, since it needed tons of space I did not have in /usr at the time
08:08 < rnkn> I had seen the /usr space woes so did a custom partition when I installed and gave /usr 8GB
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08:27 < rnkn> if I want /usr (and possible /usr/local) to be ro should I do this is /etc/rc.local?
08:28 < zelest> /etc/fstab ?
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08:31 < IcePic> fstab, yes
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08:32 < rnkn> my problem is that reorder_kernel would fail on boot if /usr was ro
08:32 < rnkn> (which I had set in fstab)
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08:33 < rIMpossible> Why are you doing that?
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08:33 < rnkn> rIMpossible: doing what?
08:34 < rIMpossible> r/o /usr
08:34 < rnkn> the server is a pubnix
08:41 < renaud> pff, upgrade to 7.9 failed again, it just crashed at a later time
08:41 < renaud> now fsck
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08:51 < renaud> Has anyone tried those with OpenBSD? https://cwwkpc.com/products/cwwk-f4-mini-pc-n150-n355-upgraded-n100-305-firewall-appliance-opnsense-mini-computer-with-4-port-i226-v-2-5gbe-lan-fanless-micro-pc-pcie3-0-x4-dual-4k-display-tf
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08:53 < lts> Can't say, the database is AI-DDoSsed https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=computers
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08:56 < mischief> renaud: one entry on dmesgd https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd?do=view&id=7903
08:57 < mischief> my odroid-h2 is still chugging along
08:57 < jca> the CW-ADLN-6L model from the same manufacturer also works apparently
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09:03 < renaud> mischief: it's not the same one
09:04 < renaud> the main problem is the price of the ram, this has become crazy
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09:05 < renaud> 350€ for 32Gb
09:05 < IcePic> the running joke for 32 years or so was to have retirement funds in RAM sticks. Now you could actually have done that.
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09:06 < renaud> but unlike gold, RAM stick don't keep their value
09:07 < mischief> yea, i looked at some ram recently. same one we put in some workstations not very long ago. the prices are crazy
09:07 < mischief> look at the price chart at the bottom of https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P8XMnQ/corsair-vengeance-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cmk96gx5m2e6000z36?history_days=365
09:08 < renaud> in 2024, I paid 157€ for 48Gb
09:08 < mischief> the whole machine we built was just under $2000 US, now it is over 3 because of ram :')
09:09 < renaud> I am at 1331€ for the CWWK, 2 WD Red SN700 1 To NVMe, 1 Crucial RAM DDR5 32Go 5600MHz SODIMM
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09:10 < renaud> but I think I don't have much choice if I cant upgrade to 7.9
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09:11 < mischief> cant?
09:11 < lts> Refurbished business SFFs and miniPCs can be bought for a few hundred USD/EUR
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09:11 < lts> RAM and SSD included
09:13 < renaud> mischief: https://marc.info/?t=177919876600001&r=1&w=2
09:13 < IcePic> I wish more of the SFF computers came with two eths
09:14 < renaud> this morning I upgraded all firmwares, disabled intel boost, put everything like it's on the other reporter, but it still failed after 5-10 min
09:14 < renaud> IcePic: me too, 2 eth is really the minimum
09:15 < renaud> but paying the same price for the ram as the computer is really crazy
09:16 < renaud> "RAMpocalypse"
09:17 < renaud> and it seems prices won't go down before 2028 or so
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09:22 < lts> IcePic: SFFs usually have free PCIe slots
09:23 < renaud> but often for a wifi card at most
09:25 < lts> Those are the smaller form factors than SFFs
09:25 < mischief> looks like NPD from the kernel
09:25 < lts> It may require low-profile PCIe cards though
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10:23 < mokkurkalve> I had a vlan connection working that stopped working after upgrade. Both boxes ran OpenBSD amd64 7.8-stable, now upgraded to 7.9-stable.
10:23 < mokkurkalve> On one side there are veb0 (with link0 enabled) -> vport2 -> vlan20. On the other sied there are em0 -> vlan20. 
10:23 < mokkurkalve> As said, the two vlan20 sent packages back and forth with 7.8. No connection with 7.9. The configuration of hostname.vlan20 on box1: parent vport2 vlan 20 vnetid 20 inet 192.168.20.1 255.255.255.0 192.168.20.255 up
10:23 < mokkurkalve> The same on box2, except IP being 192.168.20.2. I know there where big changes made to veb in the 7.8->7.9 cycle. But I can't wrap my head around how that affects my setup. Somebody seeing the obvious that I'm missing?
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10:29 < IcePic> mokkurkalve: perhaps put a few tcpdumps in place and see where/if traffic leaves when testing?
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10:32 < mokkurkalve> IcePic: Do you have a good line for tcpdump at the top of your head? I found this with google once but i forgot...
10:34 < IcePic> I think you need several, one per possible exit interface, but "tcpdump -n -i if0" and so on for all your if's and vlan interfaces. Or you do if's first, see where vlan tagged packets appear, then zoom in on those.
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10:35 < IcePic> also, for pf make sure to have log lines on those pass/block lines aswell, then look at pflog (man pflog or man pflogd for examples) to see if PF now stops packets for some reason it didn't used to
10:35 < IcePic> its kind of hard to differentiate "doesn't work" due to filtering (especially bridges) and just "misrouting" where packets exit in the wrong direction
10:35 < IcePic> both look a lot like "doesn't work" 
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13:16 < renaud> I ma suprised how easy it was to get OpenBSD 7.9 on an rpi4
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13:29 < atops> dead server
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13:32 < atops> Hmm i cant sign into sony website on firefox on openbsd for some reason
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14:04 < citbl> third party cookies turned off?
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14:13 < IcePic> then you edit User-Agent to pretend you are MS-IE6 on WinXP and it magically works 
14:13 < atops> huh
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14:31 < IcePic> atops: that was not a seriously meant solution, just that crap banks and whatever do react in the most odd way when your browser says it runs on OpenBSD, but the buggiest, most insecure OS+browser combo of the 2000s was "fine"
14:32 < IcePic> because they could not live without the business from people owning such sad machines
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14:50 < Skullheadx> renaud: I had so much trouble getting OpenBSD 7.8 on rpi4b. None of the guides worked
14:50 < Skullheadx> did you follow a specific guide?
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15:12 < tommyrot> try this one: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=177634100623459&w=2
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17:00 < polarian> Hey, there will be an XMPP dev event in London in Nov, if anyone is interested in XMPP and would like to come please let me know: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Sprints/2026-11_London
17:01 < polarian> as for how this relates to BSD, we really need more BSD adoption, so if someone is interested in helping with running BSD based XMPP services, please also consider coming.
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17:10 < eea> i am very interested in xmpp on openbsd but will not be available to attend in person
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17:11 < eea> i even have a couple public los angeles hosted openbsd servers i would volunteer for an openbsd community service
17:12 < quinq> polarian, running prosody on OpenBSD is pretty easy
17:12 < polarian> quinq: I am aware
17:13 < polarian> but running a service for you and a few friends in your bedroom is a lot different than providing one for the general public
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17:13 < quinq> What's wring with my bedroom friends?
17:13 < polarian> currently most, if not all, providers (https://providers.xmpp.net) are Linux-based
17:13 < lts> What's wring?
17:13 < polarian> it would be nice if there was BSD thrown in there
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17:14 < quinq> lts, it's like wrong, but wrong
17:14 < lts> Less joking, small communities are the backbone of the general public
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17:15 < polarian> eea: not what im looking for sorry, if you want to become a public provider go ahead, set it all up and read through the info on https://providers.xmpp.net on being listed as a public provider, so anyone can sign up to use your service.
17:15 < polarian> lts: indeed, I am not denying that. the thing is XMPP is lacking in BSD-based providers.
17:15 < polarian> not everyone has the ability to host their own service, and even if they did, might not want the hassle 
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17:27 < eea> self hosting is indeed terribly intimidating. but totally not a huge lift in 2026.
17:28 < quinq> What's intimidating about it?
17:29 < lts> RAM and SSD prices
17:29 < quinq> wat
17:29 < quinq> Are you not running a computer right now?
17:29 < lts> Don't get me wrong, I have a kick-ass Epyc main server and a dozen other baremetal devices
17:29 < thrig> self hosting could be "stick a rpi somewhere" which is probably not impacted by RAM and SSD prices
17:30 < quinq> Yeah, you don't need that for self hosting
17:30 < quinq> thrig, that
17:30 < lts> Raspberry Pi prices are interesting nowadays too
17:30 < thrig> if you get zerg rushed by the orange site for some reason, then the site is down for a while, meh
17:30 < lts> https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/dram-pricing-is-killing-the-hobbyist-sbc-market/
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18:18 < atops_> test test
18:18 < atops_> works!
18:18 < lts> Test failed, what were you trying to send?
18:18 < atops_> text
18:19 < lts> :-)
18:19 < atops_> i just setup an irc bouncer
18:19 < atops_> ZNC i went with
18:19 < atops_> weechat was a pain to configure at first
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19:11 < atops_> what are some active irc channels?
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19:12 < mischief> there's online indexes or you can /query alis
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20:23 < dnns> You can also just do /list
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21:53 < andrath> I really pimped out my weechat, even got a xmpp plugin for it that actually works (yes, also in OpenBSD) :)
21:53 < andrath> and yes, znc is really nice
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21:58 < Bradipo> ssh_config(5) mentions that Tunnel supports ethernet...
21:58 < Bradipo> But does that use a tap device or a tun device?
21:58 < Bradipo> It doesn't mention anything about tap in the man page, only tun...
21:59 < Bradipo> But the tap(4) seems to be used for ethernet, not tun.
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22:05 < andrath> tun is more common
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22:06 < andrath> most vpns use tun as well, tap is indeed a lower layer
22:06 < andrath> openvpn can do tap
22:07 < Bradipo> Well, presumably so can OpenSSH.
22:07 < Bradipo> And in this particular case, I do need OpenSSH to do the tap on L2.
22:08 < andrath> ssh might not be the best tool for that job, it is really slow for this though
22:09 < Bradipo> Sure, tunneling layer 2 on TCP connection is slow, but I don't care if it's slow, only that it works.
22:12 < andrath> maybe you could try funneling a wireguard VPN through a tun tunnel, if speed does not matter?
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22:14 < andrath> afaik, wireguard can do L2 bridging
22:20 < Bradipo> Are you some kind of bot?
22:20 < Bradipo> At any rate, I seem to have got it somewhat working...
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22:25 < Bradipo> At least the interfaces come up on both sides, but I don't see any traffic passing.
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22:29 < andrath> could be MTU
22:30 < Bradipo> Yeah, I suppose that's a possibility.
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22:34 < Bradipo> Well, I do see traffic...
22:34 < Bradipo> When I first bring up the interface, I see some IPv6 solicitations.
22:35 < Bradipo> Maybe I have to bridge tap to one of my physical interfaces.
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22:38 < andrath> maybe setting PROMISC on the interfaces may help? It's been a while since I messed with that stuff
22:39 < andrath> if you're messing with L2, you should see ARP too
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22:59 < Bradipo> What do you mean?  Why should I see ARP?
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23:02 < andrath> if you bridge ethernet, you should see ARP requests going across
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23:09 < andrath> I don't know if this is useful: https://gist.github.com/cfra/752d6e761225fd5bf783b44abe30f707 <-- using socat
23:12 < andrath> this doesn't use the SSH vpn at all, but lets socat manage the tap interface that you can bridge, you only need to set up a port redirect with ssh. All traffic will go though ssh.
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