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07:54 < broke> Hello, I was looking into this thread about cpu power consumption that matches mine, and it seems it sticks to 5W on any cpu freq which makes no sense, ultimately I couldn't get a answer here: https://mailing.openbsd.misc.narkive.com/kadmtyzH/cpu-power-consumption-on-thinkpad-x201-on-openbsd-current
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07:55 < broke> in this post, Johan mentioned the intel_powerclamp driver for Linux and something like is what I need on openbsd for my machine. Any help please?
07:58 < commandk> openbsd noob: i've booted in to shell of the 7.9 iso from usb; now how do i get hold of my ssd ? just trying to figure out some basics before commencing install. 
07:59 < commandk> Device shows in dmesg as `sd1 at scsibus1 targ 1 lun 0` and `sysctl hw.disknames` listing sd0:,rd0:abcdef,sd1:def1234
08:00 < commandk> but there is no `/dev/s*` or `/dev/rsd*`
08:01 < commandk> rd0 must be the usb im booting from and i do see /dev/rd0a and /dev/rd0c. i can see that using disklabel but so far no dice with internal ssd supposed to be sd1
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08:05 < mischief> rd is ramdisk - the 'disk' for the files in the installer image
08:05 < quinq> commandk, ( cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV )
08:08 < commandk> quinq ty! getting `ksh: ./MAKEDEV: cannot execute - Permission denied`
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08:12 < quinq> Maybe it's mounted as noexec
08:12 < quinq> commandk, ( cd /dev && sh MAKEDEV )
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08:21 < commandk> yeah i was stoopidly not even checking filesystem permissions assuming some unfamiliar openbsd security kung fu was in place there . chmod +x did it and after running new stuff under /dev. thanks!
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09:02 < commandk> hmm, i went with auto-layout, then at the end of installing sets, installation logging a bunch of `/mnt/usr: write failed, file system is full`
09:02 < commandk> and then congratulating me
09:03 < commandk> odds high system is borked and should reinstall?
09:04 < commandk> dropping to a shell before rebooting, seeing:
09:04 < commandk>  /dev/sd2f      1.4G    1.1G    288M    80%    /mnt/usr
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09:20 < quinq> commandk, might have been during kernel relinking
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09:26 < commandk> it didnt boot anyway. not sure if related to that or missing/misconfigured bootloader. EFI/GPT
09:26 < commandk> pack at the installation and now at the partitioning menu, trying to resize the new /usr
09:27 < citbl> bummer that's not the first experience with openbsd I wanted you to have
09:28 < commandk> hopefully just a small bump
09:29 < commandk> "R" gives "Resize only implemented for auto allocated labels". I can do "m" but printing partition table i see offsets of following partitions haven't changed.. i guess i need to manually recalculate and move them all?
09:29 < commandk> as i asuume otherwise there will be overlap between /usr and /usr/local
09:30 < citbl> honestly I typically wipe the whole harddrive and let it auto
09:30 < citbl> so I'm not sure
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09:59 < avemestr> I'm pretty sure a default install doesn't try to install anything to /mnt/usr...
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10:01 < avemestr> Soooooo, I'd probably suggest to just follow the installation guide the first time and not drop into shell to "figure out some basics" :-)
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10:07 < zbcm> I'd probably suggest against passive aggression.
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10:10 < commandk> avemestr well something attempting to write is supposedly giving those errors and we can see 1.1G was written to it there
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10:12 < zbcm> Starting fresh is probably a good idea, not skipping the checksum check.
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10:40 < emiliabunny> Hello, I'm trying to create an ext2fs partition for shared use between OpenBSD and Linux, but newfs_ext2fs fails
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10:40 < emiliabunny> Here is the command output including disklabel and fdisk for my disk:
10:40 < emiliabunny> https://okturing.com/src/19975/body
10:49 < commandk> > You have new mail $ 
10:49 < commandk> \o]
10:49 < commandk> we have system
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11:22 < avemestr> Weee!
11:23 < avemestr> There's the mail and also "man afterboot" to read as good first steps.
11:24 < citbl> ^ yep
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11:42 < ssm_> slopcode in rsync is getting opensync some attention
11:43 < ssm_> https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/issues/929 <26k code changes in 2 months..... rsync was 67k LOC as of 236417c>
11:43 < ssm_> -s/opensync/openrsync/
11:45 < commandk> i see alpine and a couple other distros considering to replace rsync and the portable openrsync fork on gh is being ported
11:47 < commandk> it made me wonder if that repo is expected to enjoy downstreaming of fixes moving forward
11:47 < ssm_> cool now we just have to convince oracle to AI enhance openssl and we'll rule the world
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11:59 < TommyC> Enhance!
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12:18 < zbcm> ok rsync(){ tar -czf - "$1" | ssh "$2" "cd '$3' && tar -xzf -"; }
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12:24 < oldlaptop> commandk: That seems kind of small for /usr these days. Did you get the USB stick or something? (realize the problem's solved)
12:24 < oldlaptop> The installer absolutely *does* install things to /mnt/usr, it mounts the system-being-installed under /mnt.
12:25 < commandk> oldlaptop is a 16GB root drive yeah 
12:26 < commandk> i accidentally got the USB stick on the first attempt though but that was apparent when the sets file was missing 
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12:30 < commandk> people using ansible here or does the openbsd community have other popular tool of choice for remote configuration management?
12:30 < oldlaptop> that's awfully small for an "SSD", I'd have thought... (probably too small for autolayout to be a good idea, in any case)
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12:39 < pardis> lots of people use ansible, lots of people also use other things
12:40 < pardis> I use ansible, personally
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13:25 < JetpackJackson> yeah the whole rsync thing is making me look for a port of openrsync for my linux boxes, i had switched from borg to rsync...
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14:18 < atops> hello alll
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15:54 < JetpackJackson> hello
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16:34 < vortexx> commandk: yeah 16G probably isn't going to cut it with autolayout, you generally don't need /usr/obj and /usr/src partitions unless you're compiling the OS. /usr these days needs to be 2.5G
16:37 < emiliabunny> I cannot create an ext2fs filesystem with newfs_ext2fs. It always fails with "newfs_ext2fs: write error for sector 0: Invalid argument"
16:38 < emiliabunny> https://okturing.com/src/19978/body
16:39 < emiliabunny> the partition is present as ext2fs in the disklabel
16:39 < emiliabunny> also fails the same for sd0k
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16:41 < oldlaptop> does a plain (ffs) newfs work?
16:41 < emiliabunny> yes
16:42 < emiliabunny> newfs_msdos also works
16:43 < commandk> vortexx ah thanks for the info and well here we are.. guess its already time to get familiar with repartitioning in situ x)
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16:56 < vortexx> emiliabunny: I *think* you have to have that partition inside the OpenBSD slice, not as a separate partition. I set up an old Vaio with this a long time ago. Also said partition must be after h because the kernel expects all partitions up to h to be FFS (apart from b & c, obviously)
16:57 < vortexx> something weird has happened since I upgraded to 7.9, duplicity no longer works with my current encryption password
16:57 < emiliabunny> vortexx: that won't work then, as i need it to be shared with a linux system on the same machine
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16:58 < emiliabunny> i set the openbsd bounds in disklabel to include it, but it has to be a separate GPT partition. i take that that's impossible?
16:59 < vortexx> emiliabunny: Linux can mount it, you just need the right syntax
17:00 < oldlaptop> I presumably have always had linux create the filesystem on shared volumes like that, but I can't remember. A trivial test with partition a on a virtio disk works fine here, for whatever that's worth (I don't have a disk I feel like wiping just lying around)
17:01 < oldlaptop> The "first-party" e2fsprogs are IIRC in packages, it would be interesting to see if that behaves any differently.
17:02 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD has always been happy to mount (and write to, when supported) linux filesystems outside the "OpenBSD area" for me - but again, I can't recall offhand that I've ever used newfs_ext2fs to create one.
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17:03 < vortexx> emiliabunny: you could also recompile (if this isn't too complicated for you) the linux kernel to have the ufs module allow rw mount so you could just mount your openbsd /home in linux for ex, or have a /share partition for ex
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17:18 < emiliabunny> oldlaptop: i installed e2fsprogs from packages, they succeed in making an ext2 partition, but it fails to mount with "specified device does not match mounted device"
17:18 < emiliabunny> i remember the same thing occurring when i originally tried to mount a linux-created ext2 partition, hence why i thought newfs_ext2fs might be better...
17:19 < emiliabunny> vortexx: thank you, yes this is an avenue - im familiar with gentoo linux so custom kernels are not too complicated. I wonder what mounting openbsd partitions inside a gpt partition is on linux, though?
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17:22 < oldlaptop> this all still makes me want to think there's something wrong with the disk (hence "does plain newfs work?")
17:22 < JetpackJackson> reading the man pages for rsync and openrsync, it seems that rsync has -A/--acls and -X/--xattrs, is there a way to replicate that in openrsync? is --perms all i need?
17:23 < JetpackJackson> for context my backup command is 'sudo rsync -aAXHv "$@" --delete --delete-excluded <etc...>'
17:23 < lts> We might get quite a lot of openrsync questions soon https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1tqvkxz/rsync_343_might_break_incremental_backups_for_you/
17:24 < emiliabunny> I tried creating an ext2fs partition inside the OpenBSD area (unmounted /usr/obj which i don't use, changed its type to ext2fs in disklabel), and running newfs_ext2fs sd0m fails with the same error
17:24 < thrig> openrsync isn't really a replacement for rsync though can be used for some things
17:25 < JetpackJackson> thrig: oh darn. what should i use instead?
17:25 < thrig> depends on what you're doing with rsync and how complicated it is
17:25 < JetpackJackson> lemme pastebin it
17:26 < emiliabunny> I can also mkfs.ext2 on the partition, which works, but then it cannot be mounted
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17:26 < JetpackJackson> http://okturing.com/src/19990/body
17:26 < JetpackJackson> thrig: 
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17:27 < thrig> if it's a simple mirror and there are not too many symlinks or what it should work
17:28 < thrig> e.g. for RFC mirror  openrsync --delete -rtv ftp.rfc-editor.org::rfcs-text-only rfcs
17:28 < JetpackJackson> the lack of --delete-excluded is a bummer
17:28 < JetpackJackson> its just for local backup of my laptop and pc
17:29 < thrig> a mirror isn't really a backup
17:29 < mischief> there's rclone
17:29  * mischief ducks
17:29 < martian67> Its never going to get all off rsyncs features 
17:29 < JetpackJackson> yeah true i just wanted to ask :/
17:29 < martian67> It was developed to support rpki
17:29 < JetpackJackson> i dont want to switch back to borg
17:30 < martian67> And not replace rsync
17:30 < emiliabunny> Anyway, I suppose i will format the shared partition as UFS and get a Gentoo kernel that can r/w it. A bit of a shame, but should work
17:30 < martian67> Dont count on it
17:31 < martian67> Ufs support on linux isnt fantastic either
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17:31 < JetpackJackson> i just dont want to use regular rsync if its gonna have more breakage now
17:32 < oldlaptop> But hey, there'll be a flood of people asking for someone else to turn it into rsync for them for the next week or three. Windfall!
17:32 < martian67> So use it, people have done linux ports
17:32 < oldlaptop> (then everyone will forget)
17:32 < JetpackJackson> sorry
17:33 < broke> oh never knew about openrsync until now I installed rsync-minimal to do my syncing work. does openrsync work with rsync on the server?
17:33 < broke> (sorry for the dumb question)
17:34 < oldlaptop> (I don't mean to accuse you of that, in particular. I'm reading, say, the reddit thread lts links saying "Hey look everybody, go contribute to opensync! It has rsync right in the name!"
17:34 < broke> oldlaptop: you know that's how i goes in IT.
17:34 < broke> it*
17:34 < broke> alternatives aren't replacements, but people digress
17:35 < oldlaptop> broke: openrsync(1) sure says it does.
17:35 < broke> oh cool thanks for that, might just use openrsync then
17:35 < lts> Incidentally, MacOS rsync has been openrsync for over a year now
17:36 < broke> will *learn* the tool instead of thinking of it as a replacement
17:36 < broke> that's what people should do
17:36 < broke> (imho)
17:36 < JetpackJackson> right right
17:36 < JetpackJackson> i just feel bad for not searching first :(
17:36 < oldlaptop> It's healthy, in the abstract, for there to be, you know, more than one living implementation of a network protocol.
17:36 < broke> agreed
17:36 < oldlaptop> It'd be good if there were more than one (common, widespread) ssh implementation, for instance...
17:36 < thrig> good thing we have that backup planet
17:37 < oldlaptop> *common, widespread, good
17:37 < JetpackJackson> what do yall use to backup your systems?
17:37 < broke> oldlaptop: there are actually more than one SSH implementation though well none of them are as good as OpenSSH however
17:37 < broke> as you say
17:37 < oldlaptop> (there are unfortunately bad ssh implementations)
17:37 < broke> ^ yep  :(
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17:38 < thrig> backups are done with git push and restic mostly
17:38 < broke> (backups with git lol?)
17:38 < thrig> clone the repo to a virt
17:38 < vortexx> emiliabunny: mount -t ufs -o 44bsd /dev/sdaX /mnt for mounting in linux
17:38 < oldlaptop> and obscure ones - I don't know offhand how trustworthy lsh is or isn't, in no small part because my assumption would be that it is used by (possibly) its authors/maintainers, if anyone's still bothering, and probably not much of anyone else
17:39 < emiliabunny> vortexx: does that just mount the entire openbsd slice?
17:39 < broke> well there are people using different client-side OpenSSH implementations more.
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17:41 < oldlaptop> libssh has been fairly common, and IIRC (not details, much) has also perhaps been fairly bad
17:41 < vortexx> emiliabunny: no just whichever of the partitions is OpenBSD, you'll have to work out which one is which 
17:41 < broke> JetpackJackson: I have like extHDDs, I basically copy my important files into them.
17:42 < vortexx> martian67: I've used UFS mount from linux and copied data many a time, never had an issue
17:42 < broke> basically 4-5 TiBs of Laptop-size HDDs
17:42 < emiliabunny> vortexx: I meant it as in the entire OpenBSD GPT partition, with its /, /usr/local, /home, etc
17:42 < thrig> libssh had problems with fancy ciphers last I checked
17:44 < vortexx> emiliabunny: no it's not the entire slice
17:45 < emiliabunny> but to linux the entire slice will just appear as /dev/nvme0n1p2
17:45 < oldlaptop> Linux used to enumerate the actual partitions inside
17:46 < oldlaptop> (check its dmesg?)
17:46 < oldlaptop> maybe also kpartx something something
17:46  * oldlaptop handwaves
17:47 < thrig> these are not the devices you are looking for
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17:49 < emiliabunny> I'm going to reboot, see what linux sees, probably going to end up sharing the UFS partition
17:49 < emiliabunny> thanks vortexx for the help
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17:54 < vortexx> oldlaptop: it did
17:55 < JetpackJackson> broke: i have a 1tb external ssd that i copy my stuff onto cause after excluding video games and cache files, my backups for both computers are within the size limit
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18:02 < broke> 1TB isn't even enough in any case for backups today, just get more HDD/SSDs
18:03 < broke> (well, you already have one 1TB SSD, just get the rest as HDDs)
18:04 < broke> (err, nvm, well, whatever)
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18:27 < JetpackJackson> thats a plan for future me
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18:27 < broke> well HDD prices may go up in this apocalypse so better buy now than regret it
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18:46 < mischief> may? haha.
18:46 < broke> I am not a future teller lmao
18:47 < lts> We are not on a part of the timeline where things get better
18:48 < broke> true, its only getting worse everywhere
18:48 < thrig> it's getting better in that goatee-free mirror universe
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18:57 < ssm_> I don't want to live in a goatse-free universe :(
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19:40 < avemestr> JetpackJackson: I just rsync stuff to rsync.net, a Storage Box at Hetzner, and another server I already have running.
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20:23 < martian67> Lts i think what's really important and what we can all be thankful for is that billionares are getting richer faster than ever before
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20:29 < ssm_> BSD = Broadcom Samsung Dell
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21:04 < technoid_> Why does the go port require X11?
21:05 < thrig> one should probably install all the sets
21:06 < technoid_> this a headless server...
21:06 < fro> that doesn't matter
21:06 < thrig> if you don't install all the sets, presumably you know what you are doing
21:07 < technoid_> the pkg didn't require the X11
21:07 < martian67> Unless you have very specific needs that you can specifically identify why it matters, beyond a vague distaste for bloat, install all the sets
21:07 < tommyrot> the ability to deselect sets is openbsd's biggest noob trap sadly
21:07 < martian67> That is the biggest trap for new users.By far
21:08 < martian67> It will cause you a lot of unnecessary pain for zero gain
21:09 < martian67> Using ports is another red flag, 99% of users have no reason to ever touch ports, use packages
21:10 < martian67> OpenBSD is not freeBSD, ports and packages are not mutually exclusive, using packages does not cause you annoying problems down the line
21:10 < martian67> Ports do not build without all sets installed
21:10 < technoid_> Yeah, I come from FreeBSD
21:11 < martian67> On openbsd packages are just built from the ports tree
21:11 < martian67> No weirdness
21:12 < martian67> Although I believe they have taken steps to fix that stupid issue on freebsd
21:12 < martian67> Ports infact build into packages, that are then installed
21:13 < martian67> So there isn't the impedance mismatch of two different ways to manage your third party software
21:13 < martian67> Its all the same thing
21:14 < martian67> Also packages get security updates 
21:15 < rcf> Do they? I thought building from ports was the only way to get that (but then I use not-x86, so...) 
21:16 < pardis> on non-x86, building from ports (or running snapshots) is indeed the only way to get security updates
21:16 < pardis> on x86 you get security updates to packages
21:16 < pardis> (both i386 and amd64)
21:16 < martian67>  Yes, i believe that package updates are x86/x64 only
21:17 < vortexx> hasn't that been extended to arm64 of late?
21:17 < rcf> I just use ports everywhere as a result. Easier to remember. 
21:17 < pardis> as you can see here https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.9/packages-stable/
21:17 < pardis> vortexx: you might be thinking of syspatches (which are binary security updates to base, not packages)
21:18 < vortexx> yeah I must have been
21:19 < vortexx> kinda ironic not getting security patches on non-x86/x64 which, apart from arm64 and probably powerpc64 (if a POWER based system) are all slower and take ages to compile stuff
21:19 < pardis> but they also have much fewer users who are not also hackers
21:22 < martian67> Vortexx: that's the issue, slower architectures take months to build the ports tree
21:22 < rcf> It's better than it used to be. 
21:22 < martian67> They cant keep up
21:25 < rcf> It's a blessing and a curse in a sense, because the self-hosting aspect is the main reason I recommend OpenBSD over anything else for the weird architectures it does support. 
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21:35 < phy1729> martian67: also aiui for stable packages to exist there needs to be a dedicated stable build box which is hard to come by and find room for for the more obscure arches
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22:10 < mischief> arm64/riscv64 boards are generally small :)
22:10 < mischief> hopefully soon we'll get spacemit k3 support for riscv64
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