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00:12 < loopb> oops its time to upgrade
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07:07 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260605064136
07:07 < vortexx> httpd & smtpd to get randomized at boot
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08:10 < quinq> Random HTTP, sounds about right
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08:18 < IcePic> quinq: my poor octeons are going to spend even more time booting.. 
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08:39 < quinq> Think about my poor 1-CPU VM
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09:42 < vortexx> yeah booting is going to take even longer on many platforms
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09:49 < renaud> https://arnor.org/LateNightwithPuffy.html
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12:32 < oldlaptop> library_aslr in rc.conf(.local) still controls all of it, AFAICT, for those octeons and luna88ks
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12:33 < oldlaptop> it's even there in The Fine Manual
12:33 < oldlaptop> (although now misleadingly named, I guess)
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13:50 < vortexx> wasn't aware of library_aslr, good to know, thanks
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16:15 < avemestr> renaud: Funny!
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18:00 < extrowerk> This is my uname -a output: OpenBSD dell.home 7.9 GENERIC.MP#449 amd64
18:01 < extrowerk> Is this the latest release?
18:01 < extrowerk> I am wondering on the GENERIC.MP#449 part
18:01 < thrig> the kernel was built 449 times as part of the dev process
18:03 < thrig> over a six month period that's about a kernel build every 9h37m
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18:06 < eea> oh dang, that undeadly link and that napking math of kernel builds per hour per release cycle, chef's kiss.
18:06 < eea> openbsd!
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18:16 < extrowerk> thx
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20:21 < dzwdz> is anyone looking into openrsync's failures on tridge's testsuite yet?
20:21 < dzwdz> i'm messing around with it now a bit, didn't see anything on the mailing lists
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20:29 < tommyrot> it's a minimal rewrite to be self sufficient
20:29 < tommyrot> real rsync is in ports
20:30 < dzwdz> i know
20:30 < dzwdz> but personally i've been considering switching to it even on my linux boxes
20:31 < dzwdz> and tridge recently published a blogpost where he said, roughly, "and if anyone wants to switch to openrsync, they fail 85 of 92 rsync tests", being a bit of an ass about it
20:32 < dzwdz> which seems like a good excuse to contribute :)
20:33 < Bradipo> Tridge recently started using "AI" to make a lot of commits, and apparently folks are in an uproar, lol.
20:33 < thrig> I switched to openrsync (or other solutions) back when rsync had a security issue (last year?) and rsync looked impossible to pledge/unveil (have fun with the "can run any code, access filesystem, and make network requests" thing
20:34 < Bradipo> My uses of rsync are simple... I wonder if openrsync covers those cases.
20:34 < dzwdz> i'm on the first test and it's already great
20:34 < dzwdz> it fails because openrsync doesn't have --info=help
20:35 < dzwdz> but apart from testing if that flag "works" (return value is 0), this test also does a bunch of other random shit
20:35 < dzwdz> it tries to copy a directory, which fails because openrsync doesn't have the -i flag
20:35 < Bradipo> It looks like openrsync doesn't support --link-dest.
20:35 < Bradipo> Nor does it support -R.
20:35 < dzwdz> i suspect this is going to be a common reason for failures
20:37 < Bradipo> I'm not talking about failures a this point... I'm talking about what options I regularly use with rsync.
20:37 < Bradipo> I would gladly switch to openrsync if it had these options: -F -R --link-dest
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20:39 < dzwdz> ...openrsync doesn't seem to work at all for me
20:39 < dzwdz> it's trying to exec rsync, which doesn't exist
20:39 < dzwdz> installing upstream rsync "fixes" this
20:40 < dzwdz> maybe it's fixed in -current
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20:42 < dzwdz> openrsync --rsync-path=openrsync works, huh
20:42 < thrig> there was some . not allowed by unveil reported on probably misc@
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20:46 < dzwdz> yeah i think openrsync is just broken ootb on -stable, fun
20:46 < dzwdz> for copying local files around
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20:48 < thrig> openrsync --delete -rtv ftp.rfc-editor.org::rfcs-text-only rfcs
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21:03 < avemestr> phk (of FreeBSD, varnish cache, etc. fame) looked at the rsync code years ago and didn't like what he saw. He noted: "The result is that I don't trust rsync anymore, regardless of whether I'm on one end or the other of the connection."
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21:04 < avemestr> (Source, in Danish: https://www.version2.dk/holdning/rsync-igen-igen-igen)
21:05 < cgnarne> iirc openrsync is in base mainly for rpki. so i'm not surprised that it's missing a few things from rsync
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21:08 < avemestr> Apple switched from rsync to openrsync in MacOS last year (Sequoia).
21:09 < thrig> good thing rsync can be pledged and unveil oh wait no that would be difficult or impossible
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21:54 < aaronm04> command-line macOS users don't use base macOS command-line tools much these days IME
21:57 < thrig> `sudo xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine "$1"` is much more cromulent than tangling with the UI
21:57 < thrig> but yes, most users don't do the wacky CLI thing as it requires learnin'
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