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00:10  * oldlaptop gets the impression it's more that the combination of weird goofy tools and years-out-of-date tools that apple ships on their weird, deranged BSDoid tend to get replaced by people who have done the learnin'
00:11 < oldlaptop> the last time I cared about it, tclsh (and IIRC also perl) was a cool decade and a half out of date, and complained on launch that it was about to be removed any year now
00:11 < oldlaptop> and macports (I think?) was all the hotness
00:12 < thrig> brew
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00:41 < polarian> PSA, dovecot is cancerous
00:41 < polarian> openbsd needs to make its own MDA
00:42 < thrig> opensmtpd is a MDA
00:43 < polarian> 2.3 --> 2.4 on a live mail server, and with me fucking up and deleting the old config I could have used to reference, 12 hours of my life wasted, and about the pain of giving birth.
00:43 < polarian> thrig: sorry, I should have just said imap daemon
00:43 < polarian> I forgot opensmtpd can deliver to mailboxes
00:44 < polarian> anyways I get the fun of setting it up again on openbsd now :/
00:44 < polarian> admittedly setting up a mail server from scratch is easier than migrating a production mail server, with legacy configs
00:44 < polarian> which you accidentally delete... without a backup for... L
00:44 < polarian> :/
00:44 < polarian> on that note, server reboot :p
00:45 < thrig> someone on #sendmail once asked if /var/mail was backed up, they claimed to have been trying to make a backup when they deleted it all
00:46 < polarian> xD
00:46 < polarian> pain
00:47 < polarian> the thing is I did have backups of the mail config 
00:47 < polarian> I just err... realised the command was wrong, and that none of the configs have been backed up AFTER I replaced them with the new configs...
00:47 < polarian> human mistake
00:48 < Bradipo> Ouch, sorry.
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00:54 < polarian> in any case, always use opensmtpd kids! 
00:54 < polarian> dont be an idiot like me and decide to run mail servers on non-OpenBSD systems :p
00:55 < polarian> (admittedly its a legacy email server from 7 years ago I had to rewrite due to dovecot 2.3 --> 2.4 and concerns about missing security patches)
00:55 < polarian> obviously any real email server should be OpenBSD based >:)
00:55 < polarian> but yeah situations like this remind me why OpenBSD is so nice, as things just work...
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01:00 < oldlaptop> see also `ifconfig iwn0 nwid foonet wpakey sekrit autoconf`
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01:04 < thrig> another horror story is when someone upgraded the mail server to slackware before heading out on a big ski trip
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01:23 < oldlaptop> A foolproof plan that cannot possibly fail (to ensure somebody else sets up the mail server)
01:27 < thrig> the server was already setup and working before the "level up slackware skill" binge
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08:01 < lvKas> I run mailsever with opensmtpd and it's working just fine
08:02 < lvKas> hosted on freeBSD but that makes little difference here
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13:11 < echelon> do you need rpath/wpath for reading/writing to a sock file in pledge?
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13:40 < IcePic> echelon: only to open it, if named by path. reading and writing an already opened socket should be fine without rpath/wpath if I understand correctly
13:43 < cgnarne> also just in case, take a look at the unix promise
13:44 < echelon> thanks
13:46 < echelon> wait, what do you mean if named by path, aren't all unix socket files named by path?
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