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00:17 < oldlaptop> echelon: that is precisely the purpose of getentropy(2)
00:18 < oldlaptop> (although it's hard to see why you'd want to use it in preference to arc4random(3))
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00:20 < echelon> ugh, I won't be able to avoid pledging rpath probably because of the x/crypto/ssh library I'm using 
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00:47 < pardis> why are you trying to avoid pledging rpath?
00:47 < pardis> if your program needs rpath, then pledging rpath is the correct thing to do
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01:06 < echelon> it only needs it because of a dependency that's outside the scope of my application
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01:12 < pardis> sure, but why is that a problem?
01:18 < oldlaptop> If it needs to read a file, it doesn't really matter whether you wrote the code that reads files.
01:28 < echelon> ok
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10:03 < dg> echelon: do you have details of what in x/crypto/ssh is doing that? since go 1.26 I thought nearly all the crypto library was using crypto/rand backed by arc4random_buf (even if code seems to pass in something else the go stdlib should ignore it)
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10:21 < rIMpossible> What NFS client app to use on android to access a local NFS server in my wireless lan?
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10:53 < dg> if it's for media just use VLC, otherwise no idea
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11:15 < citbl> there are so many
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12:18 < rIMpossible> In termux I tried to install nfs-utils, but it doesn't seem to exist :(
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12:42 < tobiasu> nfs is a terrible idea in this scenario
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12:50 < rIMpossible> tobiasu: why exactly?
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12:54  * oldlaptop wouldn't mix NFS/UDP and 802.11, at a bare minimum, although the "vlc-only" use case isn't too bad for that
12:55 < oldlaptop> (still a poor headache-to-result ratio compared to minidlnad - or whatever they renamed it now? - in that application)
12:55 < tobiasu> because nfs was "designed" for stable low latency ethernet connections and the idea to bring blocking syscalls to the network so applications didn't have to deal with connection issues
13:02 < mischief> 802.11? in MY nfs?
13:04 < rIMpossible> oldlaptop: tobiasu: I am using NFS on one of my notebooks on WiFi, where the ethernet port is physically broken. Works well since almost a year
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13:05 < il> mischief: you own need for speed?
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13:14 < mischief> of course. my openbsd router has 6 2.5gbit nics.
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13:17 < rIMpossible> mischief: which hardware? Quotom?
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13:47 < mischief> rIMpossible: odroid h2 + net card
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13:59 < RobbieAB> tobiasu: while I agree with "stable low latency ethernet connections", it may be worth keeping in mind that the definition of those has changed, and I would expect NFS to mostly cope ok with modern WiFi. Though I would agree with avoiding nfs/udp for this.
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14:02 < IcePic> nfs was created and much used when 10Mbit was a fast network
14:04 < RobbieAB> IcePic: Exactly my point ;)
14:05 < oldlaptop> wi-fi remains inherently (relatively) high latency, even in good conditions
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14:06 < RobbieAB> Sure. but given low latency ethernet is measuring in ns...
14:07 < oldlaptop> we're talking about computers here - wi-fi round trips are orders of magnitude higher, up to large fractions of an eternity^W^Wa millisecond
14:08 < oldlaptop> (when it's doing really, really well)
14:09 < RobbieAB> And NFS was designed for 10Mbit ethernet which means that it was designed to operate in that kind of latency range anyway.
14:09 < RobbieAB> Packet dropping is likely to be a bigger problem with WiFi than latency.
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15:29 < Ozymandias42> RobbieAB, throughput != latency
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15:42 < RobbieAB> I know, my point was more about age of technologies.
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20:39 < echelon> is it possible to make /etc read-only, or will it break
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20:40 < echelon> break something*
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20:42 < andchi> seems it will break something. you can use 'ls -lart /etc/ ' to get an idea of what files are last edited
20:42 < echelon> thanks
20:43 < sonya> echelon: things like 'privoxy' copy from /etc to chroot and back..
20:43 < echelon> well that's only at a depth of 1
20:43 < pardis> *how* would you make /etc read-only?
20:43 < pardis> it's on /
20:43 < humm> echelon: you can have systems where things write to /etc by themselves and systems where nothing writes there
20:44 < echelon> parai: assuming i had a separate partition for it
20:44 < humm> unlike /var, writing to /etc in normal operation is unusual
20:44 < pardis> how can you have a separate partition for it when /etc/fstab is in /etc?
20:44 < pardis> I guess you could implement a completely custom init process
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20:45 < echelon> does fstab get touched at boot?
20:45 < humm> no, but read for mounting stuff
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20:49 < echelon> random.seed and motd gets updated at boot it seems
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21:30  * oldlaptop would think flashrd is the 'way forward'
21:31 < oldlaptop> not "make /etc read-only" strictly speaking
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21:36 < pardis> I still don't know what problem is trying to be solved
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21:53 < rIMpossible> echelon: first /etc/ needs to be on / - if it is separated fstab cannot be found and mount the other fs
21:53 < echelon> ohh ok
21:54 < rIMpossible> what would be the idea of doing that?
21:55 < echelon> i'm using resflash to build an image that would be written to a write-protected device, so i'm trying to determine what partitions need to use mfs as opposed to just a read-only partition
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21:57 < rIMpossible> echelon: so you want to make a customized OpenBSD image?
21:57 < echelon> yeah, just using base79.tgz file set
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22:01 < rIMpossible> man 8 autoinstall, man 8 vnconfig
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22:06 < rIMpossible> echelon: there is also man 5 install.site - not to forget
22:06 < echelon> so i can use autoinstall to install to an img?
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