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00:40 < seninha> What's that website with articles on openbsd hacking, one of which was about adding a pseudo device? It's a very cursed looking site, with a kiskadee flying on the top of it.
00:40 < seninha> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiskadee
00:42 < seninha> nvm; found t
00:42 < seninha> https://research.exoticsilicon.com/
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00:46 < citbl> the art on that site is 👌🏻
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00:48 < quinq> I like how the bird gracefuly flies out over the horizon
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00:49 < citbl> see the archive page :) 
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00:56 < P-Nut> Morning all. Is anyone using OpenIKED as as IKEv2 VPN over something else like strongswan? 
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01:57 < oldlaptop> Uh, what? (from that website's rather hilarious "Terms and Conditions): "You authorise us to take any technical steps that we deem appropriate to ensure the removal and destruction of any unauthorised copies of our material from your systems. You agree that we will have no liability to you for any loss or damages you may suffer as a result of such action taken by us. You agree to waive any rights you might have for compensation in connection with such 
01:57 < oldlaptop> actions taken by us."
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02:01  * oldlaptop wonders if whatever genius this is believes this one weird trick has in fact successfully prevented the criminal prosecution that would ordinarily result from, uh, certain "technical steps"
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02:23 < thrig> one weird trick is to have bigger lawyers
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02:24 < oldlaptop> the relevant public prosecutors tend to be pretty big lawyers
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09:05 < tangentnet> I've open-sourced Tangent Networks UTM, a BSD 3-Clause licensed UTM platform built for OpenBSD 7.8 and 7.9. The project provides a browser-based management interface and integrates PF, Snort IDS/IPS, SSLproxy, e2guardian, Unbound, ClamAV, pmacct, spamd, and related services into a single privilege-separated appliance stack.
09:05 < tangentnet> The architecture is intentionally OpenBSD-centric. The WebUI runs unprivileged inside the httpd/slowcgi chroot, while privileged operations are performed through a file-queue and runner model. The project also includes service orchestration, file integrity monitoring, alerting, reporting, recovery tooling, and a fully automated installer.
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09:06 < tangentnet> The codebase is primarily Perl and shell script. I used Gemini AI for portions of the JS frontend (debug and IIFE-compliance). The project is available at https://github.com/tangentnetworks/tangent-networks-utm
09:06 < tangentnet> Additional Information: https://tangentnet.top
09:10 < SnoopyOnZNCNow> Why would you do such bloat? just use /bin/sh / ssh :)
09:10 < freezmi> hello! if I set 'set tty com0' does the kernel expect a hardware flow control-ed link over com0?
09:11 < freezmi> because if I try to use com0 with minicom after the system is booted it works fine (without hw flow control), but if I 'set tty com0' then the kernel gets stuck and never boots. com0 is provided directly on the motherboard and I simply added 3 cables for GND, RX, TX so I got no RTS/CTS control even if the mb supports those.
09:11 < IcePic> freezmi: I don't think so
09:11 < IcePic> but you might have gotten the wrong speed on it at boot
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09:12 < freezmi> still, even with a wrong speed it should boot right?
09:12 < IcePic> yes, but you might not see anything
09:12 < freezmi> problem is that the kernel gets stuck if I set the output to be on com0, how can I debug this?
09:12 < IcePic> also, vomiting out tons of output at 9600bps might be slow
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09:13 < IcePic> freezmi: what hw is this?
09:13 < freezmi> I can hear the CPU fan going as if the machine would be in bios and I never get network connectivity, so it's clearly stuck
09:14 < IcePic> Some odd systems mentioned on the maillists seem to get stuck unless there is something in the hdmi port, so that people have bought dummy things to stick there
09:14 < freezmi> it's a gigabyte b450m amd64 ryzen system
09:15 < freezmi> I do have a monitor plugged in, the OS can boot without 'set tty com0'
09:15 < IcePic> ok, then its not that
09:16 < freezmi> oh, and it's UEFI
09:16 < IcePic> does the bios setup have a "redirect to serial" mode?
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09:17 < freezmi> I'm trying to debug a different page fault involving my RX6800 radeon card, but can't get the serial console working :)
09:17 < IcePic> oh, one of those "get one error, try to debug and get next kind" chains that never ends. =)
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09:18 < freezmi> exactly. checking bios redirect option right now
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09:18 < freezmi> I don't remember ever seeing it, this ain't no server motherboard
09:19 < freezmi> I could try with a PCI-based serial board, but I feel I would just complicate my life
09:20 < IcePic> yes, the onboard serials have the default irq and port settings, where a pci-serial might need extra settings
09:21 < vortexx> stty com0 yourspeed might be of use
09:22 < vortexx> (before you type set tty com0)
09:22 < freezmi> can I explicitly disable hardware flow control before 'set tty com0' ?
09:22 < freezmi> maybe it is waiting for a clear-to-send
09:23 < vortexx> man stty might help
09:23 < freezmi> oh, so -crtscts
09:24 < freezmi> will try that. I see no bios option to redirect
09:24 < IcePic> not sure if the boot.conf stty can set such flags
09:24 < IcePic> https://man.ifconfig.se/amd64/boot.8#stty only mentions speed settings
09:24 < freezmi> the same com0 does work as a console if I boot linux
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09:25 < freezmi> with no extra configuration
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09:33 < freezmi> yey, explicitly setting the speed worked, thank you, thank you
09:34 < freezmi> it booted just fine now
09:34 < freezmi> over com0
09:41 < freezmi> spoke too soon, the next boot froze
09:41 < freezmi> >> OpenBSD/amd64 BOOTX64 3.71
09:41 < freezmi> boot> ææ    
09:41 < freezmi> that's all I got ^
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09:44 < freezmi> openbsd works great on my thinkpad x1 carbon but it's an endless chain of pain on this desktop
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10:18 < freezmi> managed to get the rx6800-related kernel crash info https://pastebin.com/b6XrCNd9 should I add any more details?
10:20 < freezmi> man page should mention 'mach ddbcpu N' expects N in hexadecimal :)
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11:14 < unpx> If I have a vmd guest attached to NFS server that is the vmd host, what happens when the vmd hosts wants to shutdown?
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11:16 < unpx> Reading rc.shutdown, it seems it will first stop daemons in rc.conf.local (here nfsd) ", as well as vmd, in that order".
11:16 < unpx> Does I should reorder rc.conf.local to shutdown vmd first and nfsd after?
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11:17 < unpx> Does that mean I should...
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11:20 < unpx> freezmi: have you tried changing drm settings? I recall I needed to set something like machdep.allowaperture to something non-zero.
11:23 < unpx> I would report that to misc@ or bugs@, freezmi 
11:25 < cgnarne> unpx: what problem are you trying to solve?
11:27 < unpx> cgnarne: documentation. Current setup is one machine with nfsd and vmd. iirc if nfsd quit, then nfs client will hang. So my question is: does rc.shutdown stop services in the order they are mentioned in rc.conf.local or does it have a sort of "dependency" mechanism so that it will stop vmd before stopping nfsd?
11:28 < unpx> vmd guest are nfs clients
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11:28 < unpx> I want to setup unattended shutdown when UPS ran out of battery
11:29 < cgnarne> i don't think the order in rc.conf.local matters. also rc.shutdown is optional, you can put in there whatever you want
11:31 < cgnarne> what happens if you shut down the host? do the vms shut down correctly?
11:32 < unpx> I didn't try. I wanted to know what to expect before running into this issue
11:35 < cgnarne> huh, seems like the order in rc.conf matters after all
11:36 < unpx> Yikes
11:36 < cgnarne> at least for pkg_scripts
11:38 < unpx> Yeah, and now I see that rcctl has `order` option
11:41 < cgnarne> my advice is see if the system shuts down in a clean way before trying anything else
11:41 < cgnarne> figure out if you even have a problem
11:42 < unpx> In rc.conf.local, in the example for pkg_scripts. "Run A then B with the start argument at boot time, and in reverse order with the stop argument at shutdown: pkg_scripts=A B"
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11:43 < cgnarne> yes. but pkg_scripts is for packages. Not vmd or nfsd
11:43 < unpx> cgnarne: yeah I'm a madman who setup everything on top without checking the basics (I didn't know I would have needed this)
11:44 < cgnarne> needed what?
11:44 < unpx> Not really, I read 'daemon', not package
11:44 < unpx> Needed to setup order on daemons
11:44 < cgnarne> but do you need to that?
11:44 < cgnarne> to do
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11:53 < unpx> cgnarne: that's why I'm asking
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11:58 < cgnarne> reboot the host, see what happens
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12:46 < freezmi> unpx: exact same crash with allowaperture=3. tried enabling/disabling re-size BAR and above 4G decoding, still crashes
12:46 < freezmi> will report to bugs@
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12:59 < unpx> cgnarne: looks like vmd didn't shut down the machines correctly and now I have corrupted filed/config
13:01 < ssm_> how strong is openbsd against supply chain attacks? I had an idea of verifying package signatures across a separate mirror to the one being downloaded from, maybe a second entry to installurl(5)
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13:01 < ssm_> supply chain attacks are the hot shit this decade it seems
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13:02 < ssm_> it won't prevent a signed package being compromised, but it'd protect against a single mirror going rogue
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13:03 < freezmi> ssm_: man pkg_add
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13:04 < freezmi> packages are checkef against /etc/signify/openbsd-*.pub AFAIK
13:04 < freezmi> checked *
13:04 < ssm_> oh yeah there is a *pkg.pub key
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13:14 < freezmi> unpx: your exact unclean shutdown of VMs during server poweroff is being discussed on forums.freebsd.org :)
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13:15 < freezmi> see if some of the replies apply to OpenBSD https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/making-sbin-shutdown-actually-wait-for-a-full-shutdown-of-running-vms.102940/
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13:32 < unpx> Looks like I had to set a timeout on vmd so it won't kill the machine
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14:54 < zbcm> connecting a usb dac, i see the uaudio line in dmesg, but no audio line following it. I guess it's safe to assume it's not supported?
14:57 < zbcm> unusable in sndio probably confirms it
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