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00:03 < unpx> dg: I see, how can I raise the ulimit above 1024 until I find the right tuning? login.conf I believe?
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00:05 < unpx> Oh openfiles, not just openfiles-max and openfiles-cur
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00:10 < unpx> Or probably didn't reload login.conf correctly (:
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00:23 < unpx> Binary looks working. Will test and push maybe
00:24 < vortexx> unpx: if you pkg_add stuff they often come with pkg-readme files in /usr/local/shar/doc/pkg-readme, and these will contain info in particular on what to tune in login.conf
00:24 < vortexx> ugh
00:24 < vortexx> make that /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/
00:30 < dg> has any vim user noticed that lately temp directories are getting deleted? e.g. leave vim running for a few days and then it errors about it. I know it's /etc/daily doing it, but not sure if my config changed or vim changed to make it happen
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02:48 < tangentnet> Is Petre Rodan here?
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04:48 < aaronm04> dg: I have
04:49 < aaronm04> I ran into it with signify
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06:38 < TommyC> dg: same
06:41 < citbl> vim might be getting system notification it wasn't getting before? was hotreload working for files before?
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07:06 < dg> I notice it happening after a vim gets active/inactive notification from the terminal, maybe something about that changed to make it more noticable
07:07 < dg> fairly sure it's actually something that's always been there, on Linux/systemd there's https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/6044 but /etc/daily doesn't have a check like that
07:08 < dg> I have come up with this awful workaround: https://xc.gd/p4jy2
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14:18 < thrig> pretty sure vi tmp files can also get wiped out if left open too long
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15:29 < amnesiac> Hi. why getting this error after upgrade from 7.8 to 7.9 when using ssh to create tunnel: channel 0: open failed: connect failed: open failed
15:29 < amnesiac> Hi. why getting this error after upgrade from 7.8 to 7.9 when using ssh to create tunnel: channel 0: open failed: connect failed: open failed ?
15:29 < amnesiac> oops
15:29 < amnesiac> sorry for 2nd msg
15:30 < amnesiac> group of the user opening this tunnel has rw permissions on tun device.
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15:34 < amnesiac> I see. whole chat at work or dreaming. 
15:36 < mischief> add '-vvv' to your ssh command
15:37 < amnesiac> mischief, thank you for good advice. I totally gorgot about this capability.
15:37 < amnesiac> *forgot
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15:40 < pardis> good choice of nick
15:40 < amnesiac> pardis, haha. i like your humor Man.
15:41 < amnesiac> mischief, so it's Permission denied opening local /dev/tun0
15:41 < amnesiac> it's strange
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15:45 < amnesiac> ok. i've reverted back permissions and now it says: Remote: Failed to open the tunnel device.
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15:47 < amnesiac> and fixing the permissions on the remote side works like a charm. mischief all simple when you read debug messages and critically thinking works in the right way. Yuo my hero. Thank you.
15:49 < amnesiac> Have a good day guys. You always the best. see you.
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16:05 < mischief> another satisfied customer
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16:12 < thrig> sometimes you can have a tun of problems
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16:48 < tangentnet> mischief, Hi.
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17:10 < cgnarne> i always wonder why firefox can't access my webcam after an update. then i remember that perms get reset
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17:43 < pardis> cgnarne: instead of manually managing permissions, you can add devices to /etc/fbtab
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17:44 < pardis> I believe that is treated as a config file, so handled by sysmerge rather than just clobbered
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17:47 < cgnarne> ohh, nice. i did not know that. thanks
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17:50 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=178122943719827&w=2 <-- this is exciting, work is progressing on having multiple vmd vCPUs
17:50 < vortexx> don't hold your breath but maybe in the next 12 months...
17:53 < rIMpossible> What is a good book/ebook for mastering a) ISC bind dns b) ISC kea dhcp server ?
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17:54 < rIMpossible> Currently I am slurping down 4th ed of book of pf
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17:56 < rIMpossible> BTW: currently avail for limited time at thalia for 43.99 as print
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18:03 < rIMpossible> :( seems, that all books are 20 years old and not covering latest 9.20.x - I'll stay with the admin guide ...
18:04 < eea> vortexx: that confirms the feeling i woke up with this morning, openbsd 8+ is going to be VERY exciting.
18:05 < vortexx> :)
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18:06 < vortexx> rIMpossible: well BIND has more or less been succeeded by unbound+nsd. When BIND v10 got cancelled, people decided to look elsewhere
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18:07 < eea> ^also was going to say that... bind = nsd now, unbound for forward lookup/caching resolver.. you listed 3 different pieces of tech to learn about, dns/dhcp/firewalls
18:07 < rIMpossible> vortexx: I would prefer nsd/unbound combination with dhcpd. Is there a somehow trustable solution for dynamic dns updates. Then I would scratch kea/bind and safe my time
18:09 < rIMpossible> eea: I am already somehow 2.7/5 with pf, just lost a bit track last years in new features.
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18:10 < eea> rIMpossible: not sure i understand "2.7/5 with pf" syntax has been stable for a few releases now, 6.x was last oh dang i need to update my pf.conf time i recall
18:10 < rIMpossible> vortexx: nice info. so I do not spent any further time following that track
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18:11 < eea> rIMpossible: also dhcpd exists
18:11 < eea> reservations/dyndns all "reliable" once setup
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18:11 < rIMpossible> eea: I am working with unbound/dhcpd, want for internal net nsd and also manage ip changes from dhcpd to update in dns
18:14 < rIMpossible> someone told me, for that I would need bind/kea
18:14 < eea> if you want those features baked into the services directly, yea, you would need those two to work together
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18:14 < rIMpossible> If that works with base programs, I would highly prefer that
18:15 < eea> otherwise, you have to plan out dhcp reservations and scopes, then build a script to report the new dhcp leases to nsd
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18:16 < rIMpossible> eea: so its just monitoring ip address changes and reporting them to dns (nsd). like a cron job?
18:16 < eea> when dhcpd gives out or releases an IP, it has a record in syslog
18:16 < eea> so yea, like a cronjob to read the current dhcpd state and then inform nsd directly with a zone file update
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18:18 < rIMpossible> eea: That's the solution I am really looking for.
18:19 < rIMpossible> If there is any service for monitoring syslog in real time would be any cooler :)
18:19 < rIMpossible> harhar or I abuse ifstated for that
18:19 < eea> rIMpossible: then you have all the tools needed in base, just have to be careful about putting all the gears in motion right, make sure each step is well thought out and documented and executed
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18:20 < eea> rIMpossible: syslog exists for watching syslog in realtime
18:20 < eea> beyond that, cat/tail/grep all work 
18:20 < thrig> in theory ifstated exists
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18:20 < eea> also true, but so does pflow :P
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18:20 < kafkaenjoyer> yeah tail -f is the go to for watching logs in real time i think
18:21 < rIMpossible> yeah, but it should trigger in the right moment a dns zone update. 
18:22 < rIMpossible> I'll write some ksh script to do the job, should not be rocket science ...
18:22 < eea> more like building a cuckoo clock
18:22 < eea> than building a rocket
18:22 < rIMpossible> :)
18:23 < eea> precision and intent required either way :P
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18:29 < seninha> hi, i have an old (i686, no EFI/GPT) laptop with linux and windows xp on dual boot, and want to install openbsd on a space that i still have on its hdd. How feasible is it to have all three installed and bootable? Anything i need to know before proceeding?
18:32 < thrig> openbsd as a virt might be easier
18:33 < oldlaptop> In principle that can work fine - probably easiest to have GRUB run things and chainload the other two. Depending on the exact disk size, firmware lousiness, and phase of the moon, you may or may not have trouble if OpenBSD's bootloader and/or the kernel itself is at too "high" a logical address.
18:33 < kafkaenjoyer> whats ur current bootloader, im assuming grub?
18:34 < seninha> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Multibooting seems to be outdated. It has no mention to gpt, but mentions pbr... i think it covers my specific case
18:34 < seninha> kafkaenjoyer, yes, grub
18:34 < cgnarne> i would avoid the pain of multi booting and use virtualization when possible
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18:35 < cgnarne> might not be an option with such an old machine
18:35 < seninha> cgnarne, yep, not an option
18:35 < vortexx> seninha: if using grub, just use chainloader +1 to load the OpenBSD partition bootloader
18:36 < vortexx> it'll tripleboot just fine, I used to do that back in the days of XP on such hw
18:36 < oldlaptop> It shouldn't be that bad, assuming the firmware cooperates.
18:36 < seninha> Also, that's my sandbox machine, so nothing useful there
18:36 < seninha> (except for saves of old games on thw windows xp partition)
18:37 < rIMpossible> seninha: triple booting grub for openbsd is fine. I did that arround 4.2-4.6, when I was new to OpenBSD and insecure
18:37 < seninha> let's try
18:37 < vortexx> virtualisation on hw that old means running qemu without hw acceleration. It's not worth the pain
18:38 < rIMpossible> seninha: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Multibooting for first aid
18:38 < seninha> rIMpossible, am reading that rn :)
18:38 < oldlaptop> Xen would probably work, but not in HVM mode (so not for much of anything other than Linux and, IIRC, NetBSD, although they say Microsoft's research people had XP-era windows running back in the day)
18:39 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure PV-only xen is worth the pain, especially in A.D. 2026 when nobody uses it anymore
18:40 < kafkaenjoyer> these days i have one machine dedicated to openbsd, one for linux, one for windows etc. i got tired of multibooting rq
18:42 < kafkaenjoyer> i would ignore one partition too long anyway which was a waste of space
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18:45 < rIMpossible> kafkaenjoyer: If I need windows to update my authentication service for the belgian ID card, I go around the corner in an internet cafe to update it. they have win11 and an ID card reader. Leenox I do not use since OpenBSD 4.7. So all machines here run OpenBSD 7.9 :D
18:46 < rIMpossible> Only one religion - hahaha
18:46 < kafkaenjoyer> rIMpossible thats awesome dude yeah i joined in 7.7 been loving OpenBSD ever since
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18:48 < rIMpossible> And people here are the most helpful - on Matrix and Reddit, too
18:48 < kafkaenjoyer> the system is so clean and feels so proper, and i can do most things without installing external packages
18:49 < kafkaenjoyer> ssh is good, tmux is good, pf is good, all great stuff OpenBSD made so i love it
18:49 < rIMpossible> That's the point. If you need more than 10 minutes for a full base install incl. basic config with X, you are a beginner :p
18:51 < rIMpossible> most people don't know they are using parts of OpenBSD, e. g. OpenSSH
18:51 < kafkaenjoyer> yeah the minimalism (compared to other operating systems) is what i love about it
18:52 < kafkaenjoyer> Also OpenBSD is very faithful to Unix which i love, got tired of GNU stuff after a while
18:53 < thrig> Not Unix Not Unixes, film at 11
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18:56 < rIMpossible> At least in base there is no GNU stuff, but for quite a good number it is not avoidable https://openports.pl/search?file=&descr=GNU&path=&pkgname=&category=&maintainer=
18:57 < thrig> /usr/src/gnu
18:58 < rIMpossible> or like this
18:59 < kafkaenjoyer> yeah thats open source cant escape GPL but i try to use very little when i can 
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19:01 < rIMpossible> thrig: didn't see that coming
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19:02 < rIMpossible> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/gnu?sort=File
19:02 < thrig> OpenBSD has more GNU on it than a linux you take pains with to avoid GNU (besides the kernel which uses an old GNU license for historical reasons)
19:02 < kafkaenjoyer> yeah the devs used gcc before switching to clang and currently still use cvs (GNU/GPL) as their version control
19:02 < rIMpossible> hehe, correcting. Quite a lot in base ....
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19:04 < kafkaenjoyer> we dont live in a BSD/ISC world fellas what can i say
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19:04 < rIMpossible> The point is not to rant against GNU, but making the best with it
19:05 < kafkaenjoyer> well obviously otherwise i wouldnt have my linux machine. to me i do BSD stuff on OpenBSD stuff and GNU stuff on GNU/Linux
19:05 < kafkaenjoyer> if that makes sense
19:06 < kafkaenjoyer> I do Windows things on Windows, mac things on macOS etc
19:07 < kafkaenjoyer> but OpenBSD is my main machine 
19:07  * seninha realizes he was downloading install79.img from cdn.openbsd.org rather than from a local server, and that's probably why it was still at 23% on 600kbps
19:07 < kafkaenjoyer> easily, cuz its the best
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19:08 < rIMpossible> seninha: https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html <-- mirrors near you
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19:09 < rIMpossible> you should use the nearest mirror also in /etc/installurl so pkg installs/updates are faster
19:10 < seninha> rIMpossible, i already know the nearest mirror and use it at /etc/installurl, i just have not realized that until 9min of download has passed
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19:10 < kafkaenjoyer> cdn.openbsd.org works for me never had to change it
19:11 < kafkaenjoyer> what does the cdn stand for anyway
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19:11 < rIMpossible> Content Delivery Network
19:11 < kafkaenjoyer> ahhhh thats cool did not know that
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19:15 < thrig> Complicated Download Nuisance
19:15 < kafkaenjoyer> XD
19:16 < oldlaptop> at least in the past we've tended to see issues using it as PKG_PATH (or more likely as installurl with no PKG_PATH) for snapshots
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19:29 < seninha> Where do you checkout your xenocara source files? /usr/xenocara? /usr/src/xenocara?
19:30 < rIMpossible> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Bld
19:33 < kafkaenjoyer> i checked out to /usr/src/ last time when i grabbed src files
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19:33 < rIMpossible> Usually it is the 3 /usr/src /usr/xenocara /usr/ports
19:34 < kafkaenjoyer> yeah im not sure if its in the faq u mentioned but i remember adding myself to wsrc group too
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19:34 < kafkaenjoyer> i think that was mentioned in the faq
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19:38 < rIMpossible> yepp
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20:31 < rIMpossible> https://man.openbsd.org/amd64/nsd-control no error https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.8/amd64/nsd-control no error, too. https://man.openbsd.org/?query=nsd-control&apropos=0&sec=0&arch=amd64&manpath=OpenBSD-7.9 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR
20:31 < echelon> if you need to take an action when carp fails over an ip, do you just use ifstated to handle hooks or triggers?
20:33 < rIMpossible> I cannot speak for carp, but doing failover from failing wired pppoe to 4G works like a charm
20:34 < rIMpossible> ... and back
20:35 < rIMpossible> echelon: /etc/examples/ifstated.conf there is an example for carp
20:35 < echelon> you can failover a virtual ip between ethernet and 4g?
20:35 < echelon> thanks
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20:39 < rIMpossible> echelon: I get a real routable dynamic IP over PPPOE from my provider, if it fails, ifstated(8) fires up my mobile card in my APU2 and changes routes, once wired internet is back it reverses
20:40 < rIMpossible> echelon: avec plaisir :)
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20:42 < echelon> cool
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22:50 < seninha> done; installed; and triple booted :)
22:51 < seninha> worst part was knowing how to add a new entry on grub (and get the correct information for MBR, most results was for EFI)
22:52  * oldlaptop would only know/remember how to do grub for BIOS anyway
22:52  * seninha could just rtfm gnu info manual for grub, but he refuses to waste his precious lifetime on learning something he'll use only once
22:52 < oldlaptop> my recollection (from the last time I was foolish enough to actually work with EFI grub) was the opposite, any documentation was about chainloading for BIOS
22:53 < oldlaptop> (and the actual GNU info pages were not very good)
22:53 < oldlaptop> I wouldn't involve it on an EFI system at all today - linux is its own EFI bootloader, and refind will chainload everything else with much less hassle
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23:02 < echelon> why isn't `group` documented in hostname.if(5)?
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23:06 < oldlaptop> from DESCRIPTION: "Any lines not matching these packed formats are passed directly to ifconfig(8). The packed formats are converted using a somewhat inflexible parser and the administrator should not expect magic — if in doubt study ifconfig(8) and the per-driver manual pages to see what arguments are permitted."
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23:08 < oldlaptop> in other words, relatively few of the possible things that could appear in a hostname.if file are documented in hostname.if(5), because relatively few of them are implemented by netstart(8) (which is what parses it), instead of ifconfig(8)
23:08 < echelon> ah thanks
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