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07:34 < rIMpossible> seninha: thank you for positive feedback on advise
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11:07 < f451> hi, how can I find what the version/last updated information of the ports tree? am using -current
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11:09 < IcePic> f451: cvsweb could be one way, https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/www/chromium?sort=File to read the Makefile for chromium and see that it is 149.0.7827.114 currently
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12:01 < f451> IcePic: thanks. but is there a tree version? i mean in freebsd i can "doas git -C /usr/ports rev-list --count --first-parent HEAD" but we have cvs here so looking for that equivalent
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12:02 < f451> i mean if i need to sendpr because of a broken port, i'd need to know exactly when the tree was last checked out?
12:03 < IcePic> no, you would send diffs or suggestions based on the latest version in cvs
12:04 < IcePic> noone will fix portX if it was broken between Feb and March
12:04 < f451> ok - so the version from the makefile of the particular port
12:05 < IcePic> yes, almost all ports development is done on current, so only the latest is of interest
12:05 < IcePic> (some -stable backports, but not many)
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12:05 < f451> okey
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12:07 < f451> is sendbug is ok to use wiht ports? it looks like it's just for openbsd src
12:08 < IcePic> mostly one emails the maintainer, and/or ports@ maillist 
12:08 < f451> in this case it's both ports@
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12:12 < f451> what is the PR "category" for a port that builds fine but crashes when run
12:14 < f451> aha found it - port name
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17:29 < echelon> em0 is public-facing which will have the carp ip, but i want the carp traffic to go over a local lan-facing interface, how would i configure this in hostname.carp0?
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17:45 < IcePic> echelon: set the carp sync to be unicast instead of multicast
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17:45 < echelon> ok
17:45 < IcePic> no, wait, I might be thinking of pfsync here
17:46 < IcePic> what do you mean by "carp traffic"
17:46 < echelon> carp heartbeat advertisements
17:46 < echelon> i would think it wouldn't be safe broadcasting it over a public interface
17:46 < IcePic> yeah, you set "carppeer" with ifconfig/hostname.carp0
17:47 < IcePic> "safe", since you 1. can have a passphrase and 2. since if you have threats injecting layer-2 traffic then they can already steal all your packets
17:47 < echelon> oh, so you would just use the ip, which would be routable via the other interface
17:47 < IcePic> echelon: yes
17:48 < IcePic> echelon: obviously only works for 2 carp hosts, whereas the multicast carp can have many hosts participating
17:49 < echelon> hmm.. google suggests using a vlan
17:49 < IcePic> the manpage for "ifconfig" mentions using carppeer to wrap packets inside ipsec, but I guess wireguard could work aswell, so you can protect it, while also having it talk on the outside
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17:49 < IcePic> echelon: that could also work, a separate vlan on one of the inside lan interfaces instead
17:50 < IcePic> (assuming a firewall/router setup here, and not just a pair of hosts serving a carp'd service)
17:51 < echelon> yeah, sort of a firewall
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18:06 < IcePic> once a long time ago, my workplace ran a lot of virtualized linux servers who would run out of entropy and just stall, idling for randomness to appear, which was scarce for them, then I built a pair of Via C7 boxes that would serve random data from the VIA Padlock thing in the cpu and then a small program to add it to the entropy pool
18:07 < IcePic> so it ended up serving it over carp, so we could upgrade/reboot one and still serve randomness
18:07 < IcePic> nowadays even penguinOS have figured out how to make more entropy
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19:04 < merazi> Hey there... Question, I have a chromebook (asus model BABYMEGA), and it does require some sof audio drivers, are those in OpenBSD? Not sure if it works something like it does on Linux that you have different kernel modules...
19:07 < thrig> random laptop devices will randomly not be supported. best to check if a dev has used the laptop, then buy that
19:08 < cgnarne> after a quick google i don't think you should get your hopes up
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19:10 < merazi> ow ;(
19:10 < merazi> I think I'll try it regardless... Maybe worst case scenario I won't have audio
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19:11 < thrig> another option is to get a spare device to an interested dev, somehow
19:11 < cgnarne> best case scenario is you get inspired to write the missing drivers, earning you everlasting fame and fortune
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19:57 < vortexx> ugh that person left. https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/ is the right place to find out if a device works or not
20:01 < cjs> vortexx: That is an okay option, but frankly, searching misc@ in MARC for one's hardware is probably a superior option
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20:01 < cjs> Both are fine, anyway
20:04 < mischief> i have done something extremely cursed
20:04 < IcePic> installed winders?
20:04 < mischief> i'
20:04 < mischief> i've built the openbsd kernel, libc and some small programs cross compiled from linux and they all (mostly) work
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20:22 < cgnarne> but why?
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20:47 < qbit> heh
20:47 < qbit> i have always wanted to see how hard it would be to bootstrap openbsd
20:47 < mischief> cgnarne: excellent question. next?
20:47 < qbit> like go from the most minimal compiler to fully functional openbsd
20:52 < qbit> might be easier now that that recovered source is out there
20:52 < qbit> ( https://discuss.systems/@ricci/115504720054699983 )
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20:58 < thrig> keeping your compiler skills not too rusty is a thing
20:59 < mischief> its very wip but if anyone wanted to poky at it, it uses kas and yocto https://git.offblast.org/mischief/meta-openbsd
21:00 < thrig> porting base vi to what passes for Mac OS X these days also took a bit of doing
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21:03 < qbit> heh
21:03 < qbit> back when it was ocaml -> rust it wouldn't have been ... super bad
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22:28 < vortexx> cjs: misc usually gets you there but a specific bit of recent hardware like a laptop is more likely to be on dmesgd. And you don't have to trawl through so much
22:29 < vortexx> I use misc for most things 
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22:41 < cjs> vortexx: I might agree with you and meet you halfway, suggesting that we point folks wondering about HW compatibility to both searching in misc@ and in the dmesgd
22:42 < cjs> Between the 2, someone is bound to find something fairly recent about all but quite specialized or uncommon HW
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23:06 < vortexx> cjs: I usually search myself on misc@ before pointing someone there
23:06 < vortexx> misc is after all official
23:06 < vortexx> but dmesgd is darn useful
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