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08:25 < rIMpossible> 192.168.3.12
08:25 < rIMpossible> sorry
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08:52 < rIMpossible> Is it generally a good idea, to have NFS on the (wire-guarded) vps and a backup on the local APU2 - or the other way around? :D
08:54 < zelest> Not a useful answer I guess, but I prefer scp when I do backups :)
08:54 < zelest> Or rsync
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08:58 < rIMpossible> zelest: I want to access my files from different countries, but not carrying them on my notebook. Due to speed reasons, I want to have a backup on my apu2 local, when I am in my HQ, offsite access to vps. Sync would be done by rsnapshot 1.5.1 www.rsnapshot.org
08:59 < zelest> Ahh
08:59 < rIMpossible> I didn't/don't/won't trust CIFS/samba
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09:20 < IcePic> rIMpossible: I think wg is a good choice if you are allowed to send udp (perhaps have it on port 53 and 443 to bypass some restrictions) where you are, and as soon as you have wg up, it really doesn't matter what tool you use on the inside, could be cleartext rsync or scp or netcat, it won't matter much at that point
09:22 < rIMpossible> IcePic: Thank you for your always valued opinion. What about NFS, any ideas to protect it further or is wireguard just enough?
09:23 < IcePic> wg is enough if you make the server only serve nfs on the wg ip and not generally expose nfs to all its interfaces
09:24 < IcePic> inversely, nfs is hard to secure anyhow, so wrapping it in any kind of vpn is more or less required, be it wg, ipsec, openvpn or whatever
09:25 < IcePic> probably not a huge problem if you encrypt twice, so rsync-over-ssh inside the wg should also be ok, todays CPUs have tons of power to re-encrypt over and over without hurting perf too much
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09:26 < rIMpossible> IcePic: ok, I will take this in consideration. Setup is basically a no brainer compared to DNS *lol*
09:29 < renaud> what's problematic with DNS?
09:30 < rIMpossible> renaud: The fear, doing something wrong and giving basic opportunities to intruders
09:30 < renaud> how so?
09:32 < rIMpossible> I just need to teach me deeper into DNS to loose my fear of it. Whereas unbound isn't a problem running in a wg tunnel for tv in different countries, nsd is still a challenge for me
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09:33 < rIMpossible> ...ooOO I dropped the idea of bind/kea and came back to nsd/unbound/dhcpd
09:35 < IcePic> dns just points to ips more or less, if you have a vulnerable service on an ip, it will be found, dns or not
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10:02 < ssm_> unless you're on ipv6 :>
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10:20 < oldlaptop> of all the security approaches, treating a public ipv6 address as a secret... sure is one of them
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10:31 < renaud> rIMpossible: you set that to watch TV in countries with geolocalisation?
10:32 < oldlaptop> I assume there's some reason the likes of PIA sneak netflix logos into their ads
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10:34 < renaud> some channels succeed in putting ads based on the country you are in
10:35 < renaud> so, you beat the geoloc name by using a proxy in the correct country and the ads show up in the country you are really in
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10:56 < f451> librewolf is on the pkg servers for arm64 :D
10:57 < f451> for -current that is
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11:20 < rIMpossible> renaud: not only, also to access non-TV content with geoblocking
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11:21 < seninha> Hi, security(8), via daily(8), is mailing me about wrong group ownership for /dev/kmem and /dev/mem (should be group 2 (kmem), really is 0 (wheel)). This is a fresh snapshot installation (i installed it ~2 weeks ago), which has been sysupgraded to a more recent snapshot only once.  Is there any manual upgrade step that i missed?
11:21 < seninha> There's nothing on it at https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html
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11:25 < IcePic> nothing changed in the mtree (which security uses) in 9+ months, https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/checkout/src/etc/mtree/special,v?rev=1.130
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11:29 < seninha> yeah, it has gname=kmem here. But that's not what i got after install.
11:30 < seninha> Maybe dumb past seninha did something wrong, while chowning /dev/video0?
11:30 < seninha> gotta check ksh history
11:32 < seninha> nope
11:33 < seninha> weird
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12:45 < renaud> rIMpossible: you might be interested in running sniproxy which is in packages
12:45 < renaud> way easier and more scalable than using wg
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14:43 < mischief> 🐡
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15:18 < izder456> does openbsd have a way to on-demand automount any filesystem type such as nfs? i have a nfs server that is exported over tailscale and a few laptops that need to mount it once their tailscaled starts. i can't put it in fstab cos that happens before tailscaled starts. any idea what i can do?
15:19 < izder456> i used autofs on my alpine laptop to solve this, but i want something similar for the openbsd laptop
15:20 < pardis> amd(8)
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15:21 < izder456> thanks, i
15:21 < izder456> i'll look into it
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16:17 < IcePic> amd comes with some odd limitations, I think you need to do nfsv2 for it to work, possibly even over udp
16:17 < IcePic> not that this is a huge showstopper or anything, but I think there are some caveats.
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16:30 < mischief> "     A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the
16:30 < mischief>      features.
16:30 < mischief> that is one way to put it
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16:42 < thrig> NFS: works, until it doesn't, and then you need to reboot everything
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16:53 < mischief> i assume there are just bugs in the nfs code. had so much trouble with nfs on my orangepi rv2, mounting ports and src while trying to run dpb.. and the nfs server is connected via gigabit through just a switch on a flat lan.
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17:21 < vortexx> mischief: makes you wonder if running on riscv is showing up hidden bugs in the code that are specific to the platform
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17:30 < mischief> that is extremely likely, since i had some panics in smte(4) :-)
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18:05 < vortexx> :)
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18:30 < izder456> IcePic, is there a way to get it to do NFSv3? my server is nfsv3. I also have samba on the same dataset so if theres a way to do the same sorta thing with samba on obsd that may work better
18:30 < izder456> I couldn't get it to mount NFSv3 for some reason
18:31 < IcePic> I do not know the details on why amd(8) needs the nfs to be v2, only that it is that way
18:31 < izder456> ugh. this has proven to be quite a hassle
18:31 < izder456> i might just set noauto in fstab and manuall mount it when i need it
18:31 < izder456> manually*
18:32 < IcePic> yeah, that is not a super bad option. Make sure the shutdown script also tries to unmount it
18:33 < izder456> good idea
18:33 < izder456> i can just do it on rc.shutdown too
18:33 < izder456> if not
18:33 < izder456> thanks for all the help y'all
18:33 < izder456> its appreciated
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18:47 < mischief2> progress i suppose. hello from netcat in my cross-compiled openbsd. ircii didnt work quite right.
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18:51 < cgnarne> can you build from source in your cross compile?
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18:55 < mischief> there's no compiler built yet, and barely any of the rest of userspace
18:56 < mischief> today i got libedit, libcurses, libcrypto, libtls, libssl and a few things like ftp and top working though.
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18:58 < humm> so now you can fetch comp79.tgz and be done, nice /s
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19:04 < vortexx> possibly because amd predates NFSv3 and wasn't updated?
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19:09 < cjs> izder456: If you still struggle to find what you need, I suggest that you invest in Michael W. Lucas's DRM-free *OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems* directly from his own webstore: https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/omf/
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19:09 < cjs> Basically, reading his book will walk you through everything that you need to know about NFS, together with everything else in OpenBSD's filesystems
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20:40 < izder456> thanks cjs
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22:07 < vortexx> confirmed. amd dates to 4.3BSD Reno and doesn't appear to have been updated much. There's a 2013 am-utils page floating out there
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22:12 < spikewall> https://x.com/ortegaalfredo/status/2057109561702580311
22:13 < spikewall> i guess this is still not fixed
22:14 < fro> has it been reported?
22:14 < fro> posting something on twitter isn't a report
22:16 < fro> https://nitter.net/ortegaalfredo/status/2057109561702580311
22:16 < fro> reading the thread he says he hasn't reported it
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22:19 < ssm_> we've been thwartega'd
22:19 < ssm_> watch this be the new backdoor in ipsec
22:19 < fro> well someone already suggested the PPP thing fixed was a backdoor
22:20 < fro> https://blog.argus-systems.ai/blog/openbsd-pap-27-year-auth-bypass.html
22:20 < fro> somebody already on about "is this an intentional backdoor hyuk hyuk"
22:20 < ssm_> ppp isn't ipsec though
22:21 < fro> yes i didn't imply that it was
22:21 < ssm_> yah just wanted to make sure
22:21 < ssm_> does this finally mean 3 remote holes in a heck of a long time
22:22 < fro> no
22:22 < fro> doesn't meet the criteria
22:22 < ssm_> dang pretty not useful slogan if a auth bug in a system pseudo interface isn't good enough
22:23 < ssm_> no better taglines in a heck of a long time!
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22:26 < fro> it's the conditions i reckon
22:27 < fro> attacker has to be on the same network segment
22:27 < fro> blah blah blah
22:27 < fro> but who knows
22:27 < fro> maybe they'll change it
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22:38 < quinq> It's not part of the default install
22:38 < quinq> Simple criteria
22:41 < fro> i mean it is in the default install
22:41 < fro> it's not automatically being used
22:41 < fro> but it's there
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22:43 < quinq> The binary is
22:43 < quinq> The process isn't
22:43 < quinq> So the attack surface isn't
22:43 < quinq> So it's not there
22:44 < fro> yeah uh
22:44 < fro> we're saying the same thing i think
22:46 < fro> people are still using PPPoE in places which is when it would be used
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22:47 < quinq> I don't understand the claimed issue though
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22:48 < quinq> Is that when OpenBSD is used as a pppoe authenticator?
22:48 < quinq> Is that even supported?
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22:52 < fro> if it's configured as a PPPoE client with mutual authentication only i guess?
22:53 < fro> this is where it doesn't meet the criteria as discussed already
22:53 < fro> i don't know who is configuring it like this normaly
22:53 < fro> normally
22:54 < quinq> I wasn't asking about if the remote hole criteria, just about how it's supposed to be actually used :)
22:55 < fro> i mean this is why tho!
22:55 < quinq> But yeah, reading the doc shows that you can set it up to act as authenticator
22:55 < fro> like who is using it this way?
22:55 < fro> even people using PPoE
22:55 < fro> are they really using it this way?
22:55 < quinq> Anybody using ppp as the authenticator I suppose
22:55 < quinq> With PAP
22:55 < quinq> Like in 1995
22:56 < quinq> Well, my ISP actually uses it :)
22:56 < quinq> I should test if they're using an OpenBSD for it ^^
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22:57 < fro> y'all bout to get hacked
22:57 < quinq> Well, I'm not authenticator, I'm the one trying to get in :)
22:57 < quinq> So anyway works for me, with or without auth
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23:02 < fro> well
23:02 < fro> i encourage you to write your own exploit for this
23:03 < fro> obviously should be PAPsmear
23:04 < fro> these AI folks aint got no imagination
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23:09 < quinq> I don't write my own exploits, I'll let future historians recall them, and people sing them at the temples raised in my name
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