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[~irc@user/MalloryAdams] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:47 < PyR3X> ahh interesting 00:47 < PyR3X> temporary failure, please try again later lol 00:48 < PyR3X> TIL smtpctl schedule all 00:49 < PyR3X> nice 00:54 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 00:59 < ssm_> that's the correct error, you just have to wait 01:00 < ssm_> I don't think forcing rescheduling will get your message through faster but I haven't tried it 01:00 < PyR3X> it did for me 01:00 < ssm_> hu h 01:02 -!- fstd_ [~fstd@xdsl-89-0-101-47.nc.de] has joined #openbsd 01:03 < thrig> it will if the other end is past the greylist time 01:05 -!- fstd [~fstd@xdsl-87-78-149-208.nc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:05 -!- fstd_ is now known as fstd 01:11 -!- cryptexx0 [~cryptexx0@212.102.51.30] has joined #openbsd 01:19 -!- raj [uid72176@user/raj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:20 -!- duri [~mduregon@97-120-34-181.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:26 -!- bradd 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work 03:35 -!- akinji [~akinji@user/akinji] has joined #openbsd 03:44 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has joined #openbsd 03:44 -!- fgarcia [~lei@user/fgarcia] has joined #openbsd 03:47 -!- ewig [~Ewig@user/ewig] has joined #openbsd 03:55 -!- akinji [~akinji@user/akinji] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:55 -!- slim [~slim@user/meow/slim] has quit [Quit: bWFkZSB5b3UgbG9vaw==] 03:57 -!- slim [~slim@user/meow/slim] has joined #openbsd 03:57 < echelon> hi, in carp settings, is the vhid supposed to be unique per host in the group? or unique to the group? 03:58 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I am still getting a system freeze now and then. Unfortunately, nothing is being logged that I can work from to 13:27 < Release6890> debug. Any suggestion on where I might begin to fix this? 13:28 < renaud> so you see any kernel messages when the freeze occurs? 13:28 < Release6890> No, nothing. 13:29 -!- shea [~shea@user/shea] has joined #openbsd 13:29 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 13:30 < Release6890> I am assuming amdgpu is a likely candidate for the problem only because that seems to be the only thing that would have the potential to trigger a hard freeze like this. 13:30 < Release6890> But I could be completely wrong about that. 13:37 -!- muthuh61 is now known as sonofaglitch 13:38 -!- m4573r0fpupp375 [~M4573r0fP@user/m4573r0fpupp375] has joined #openbsd 13:39 -!- megawatt [~megawatt@user/megawatt] has joined #openbsd 13:41 -!- nnn is now known as nilf 13:42 < moviuro> Hi all, is there a built-in command in pkg_* that clears the $PKG_CACHE from (very) old packages? (eg https://x0.at/NuPb.txt) 13:46 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 13:47 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 13:48 -!- critter [~critter@user/critter] has joined #openbsd 13:49 < critter> Hi how are you 13:49 < amadaluzia> hi :3c can someone look at this C code and see what causes this to segfault ONLY on openbsd? 13:49 < amadaluzia> https://xc.gd/ddmf0 13:49 < amadaluzia> also, doing alright thanks 13:50 < critter> how openbsd solves evil maid attack? I mean security in a physical hostile environment? 13:50 < critter> I think openbsd doesn't do secure boot 13:51 -!- Release6890 [~Release68@pool-96-245-65-176.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53 < phy1729> malloc(BUFFER_SIZE * sizeof(char *)) is wrong you meant malloc(BUFFER_SIZE) but what you have will over-allocate not under (sizeof char is always 1) 13:54 < amadaluzia> thanks for the correction, though i don't think this solves the printf issue 13:55 -!- memset_ [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 13:55 < amadaluzia> (according to gdb) 13:55 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55 < renaud> there are at least 3 bugs in that code 13:56 < renaud> one is what phy1729 told 13:57 < renaud> it's missing a \0 13:57 < phy1729> Next is the NUL isn't written or buf isn't NUL terminated 13:58 < renaud> it's actually the NUL which is creating the segfault 13:58 < amadaluzia> i'm pretty sure the compiler handles the \0 thing if it's a string literal 13:59 < pardis> you aren't writing a string literal 13:59 < renaud> missing NUL 13:59 < pardis> you're preading a string from a file 13:59 < pardis> then calling puts 13:59 < phy1729> but strlen doesn't include the nul in the length 13:59 < amadaluzia> oh, wait yea 14:00 < amadaluzia> sorry about that, i entirely forgot strlen just misses \0 14:00 < amadaluzia> or stops at it 14:01 < amadaluzia> thanks for correcting me on that! 14:01 -!- sonofaglitch [~muthuh@2001:470:693c::32b] has left #openbsd [] 14:01 -!- sonofaglitch [~sebastian@77.95.167.229] has joined #openbsd 14:04 < amadaluzia> also, works now, thanks everyone :3c 14:10 -!- zcram [~zcram@user/zcram] has joined #openbsd 14:13 < sonofaglitch> Can the daily security check be modified not to higlight the reallyis/shouldbe on some of the files? I've set the 640 on say /etc/pf.conf so the 'wheel' group can read. I need this access for my ssh (regular) user to be able to read the file when I back them up externally. Any thoughts/advice appreciated. Thanks. 14:14 -!- eki [~eki@88-148-144-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:15 < renaud> sonofaglitch: if it's just for backup, why don't you modify /var/backups/etc_pf.conf.current ? 14:17 -!- eki [~eki@88-148-144-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openbsd 14:17 < sonofaglitch> renaud: Let me have a look at the '/var/backup' wasn't aware of that. 14:19 -!- Release6890 [~Release68@pool-96-245-65-176.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openbsd 14:19 -!- cparman__ [~cparman@2603:8081:8d00:11e3:be24:11ff:fe26:6d89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 -!- Ozymandias42 [~Ozymandia@user/Ozymandias42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20 -!- Release6890 [~Release68@pool-96-245-65-176.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:22 -!- Ozymandias42 [~Ozymandia@user/Ozymandias42] has joined #openbsd 14:23 -!- ixc [~ixc@user/ixc] has joined #openbsd 14:26 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27 -!- pulmixo [~pulmixo@user/pulmixo] has joined #openbsd 14:30 < vortexx> renaud: no I heard about it here and it seemed pretty irrelevant. 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16:15 < seninha> i had to often kill-9 it 16:21 -!- zwrr [~zwr@186-247-129-172.user3p.vtal.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:24 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 16:28 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29 < echelon> IcePic: failover doesn't work if carppeer is on a different subnet 16:29 < echelon> from the carpdev 16:30 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 16:32 -!- cypheon [~cypheon@user/cypheon] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:33 -!- cypheon [~cypheon@user/cypheon] has joined #openbsd 16:38 -!- dlock23 [~dlock@79.116.82.250] has joined #openbsd 16:38 -!- zwrr [~zwr@186-247-129-172.user3p.vtal.net.br] has joined #openbsd 16:39 -!- dlock23 [~dlock@79.116.82.250] has quit [Changing host] 16:39 -!- dlock23 [~dlock@user/dlock23] has joined #openbsd 16:45 -!- hotsoup [~hotsoup@user/hotsoup] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1+deb2+b3 - https://znc.in] 16:46 -!- hotsoup [~hotsoup@user/hotsoup] has joined #openbsd 16:47 -!- SiFuh [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- SiFuh [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd 16:50 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 16:51 -!- taavi [taavi@libera/staff/mediawiki.taavi] has quit [Ping timeout: 610 seconds] 16:53 -!- balsamic-oval [~balsamic-@user/balsamic-oval] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57 -!- amadaluzia [2cbc58d702@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 17:03 -!- l4nc [~l4nc@user/l4nc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:05 -!- cypheon [~cypheon@user/cypheon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:06 -!- taavi [taavi@libera/staff/mediawiki.taavi] has joined #openbsd 17:20 -!- foton [~foton@user/foton] has quit [Quit: %Bye%] 17:27 -!- x7e [~x7e@user/x7e] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 17:27 -!- x7e [~x7e@user/x7e] has joined #openbsd 17:28 -!- loganaden [~logan@105.235.147.183] has joined #openbsd 17:28 < loganaden> hi 17:35 -!- bluejaypop [~jose@user/josefig] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:38 -!- gotohello [~gotohello@user/gotohello] has joined #openbsd 17:40 -!- ewig [~ewig@user/ewig] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41 -!- gzc [~Thunderbi@user/gzc] has joined #openbsd 17:44 -!- krl [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 17:46 -!- krl_ [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:47 -!- krl__ [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 17:48 < IcePic> echelon: I'm quite sure we ran for a long while with carppeer on my previous job, because the bge(4) cards had broken multicast 17:49 -!- krl [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:52 < echelon> so you had bge0 that was on one subnet and bge1 on another? 17:55 < seninha> Can you help me understand something with PF and NAT? Suppose i have, on my gateway, a pf rule NATing packages from the local network to the external interface; do all packages from the local network that reach the gateway gets translated and redirected out on the external interface? or only those packages addressed to non routable addresses are translated? 17:56 < seninha> For example, if the lan is 10.0.0.0/24, do a package from host 10.0.0.8 addressed to host 10.0.0.25 is translated to the external interface as well? Or is it resent to internal interface? 17:56 -!- loganade1 [~logan@105.235.147.101] has joined #openbsd 17:57 < thrig> packets are more typically routed than packages 17:57 < eea> unless ups 17:58 < thrig> my back got tired of moving ups 17:59 -!- loganaden [~logan@105.235.147.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:02 -!- ewig`` [~ewig`@user/ewig] has joined #openbsd 18:03 < seninha> s/package/packet/ 18:03 < seninha> english hard 18:05 < echelon> IcePic: i'm running into an issue with both nodes holding onto the VIP 18:05 < echelon> as master 18:06 < IcePic> seninha: most of the time you would nat as the packet leaves the ext_if, so that it only applies as packets leave your network 18:06 < thrig> nat can be tricky without seeing the exact firewall rules 18:06 < IcePic> echelon: can you see with tcpdump if carp packets are being sent between them when this happens? 18:06 < deepesttoaster> tbh nat can be tricky even with seeing the firewall rules 18:07 < IcePic> echelon: also, did you set the carp.preempt sysctl? 18:08 < echelon> they're both set to 0 18:09 < echelon> but i got it to work without it yesterday without using carppeer 18:10 < echelon> and yes, i can see carp traffic coming over em1 18:12 < seninha> IcePic, in this simple rule set, for example: https://termbin.com/u5bw 18:14 < seninha> If $int_if:network is 10.0.0.0, what happens when some host 10.0.0.8 sends a packet to host 10.0.0.25 which it has no direct access, only through the gateway? Is it translated by that match nat-to rule? 18:16 < echelon> IcePic: so is carp expecting carp traffic on the carpdev? 18:16 < cgnarne> seninha: how would that work? it's the same l2 domain. there's no routing involved 18:16 < echelon> the carpdev for me is $wan_if, and the carppeer is on a subnet on $lan_if 18:17 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-82-34-145.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:17 < IcePic> seninha: what is the netmask of this 10.0.0 network? 18:17 < seninha> IcePic, 10.0.0.0/24 18:17 < IcePic> seninha: and no, in your rule set only packets leaving out on ext_if would be nat'ed 18:18 < IcePic> seninha: then by design, .25 and .8 should reach each other without going via the gw 18:18 -!- rahl [rahl@otaku.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:18 < IcePic> otherwise, you have set the wrong netmask 18:19 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:19 < IcePic> seninha: but even if you have one int_if with 10.x.x.x and another with 192.168.x.x and the fw routes traffic between those nets, it would not translate the packets with your ruleset, because no such packet is leaving out on ext_if 18:20 < seninha> IcePic, what about the case of two or more internal interfaces, all for the same subnet (10.0.0.0/24)? Is it affected by the NAT? 18:20 -!- loganade1 [~logan@105.235.147.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:20 < cgnarne> that is not how this works 18:21 < IcePic> no, but that is also a broken design in other ways 18:22 -!- cypheon [~cypheon@user/cypheon] has joined #openbsd 18:25 < seninha> cgnarne, i know little to nothing of networking... i'm trying to understand whether all packets from a subnet are translated, even if addressed to other hosts in that subnet. 18:25 < cgnarne> they are not 18:26 < echelon> ##networking is pretty helpful 18:26 < cgnarne> If it is the same subnet then no router is involved 18:28 < echelon> IcePic: anyway, does the kernel expect carp traffic only on the defined carpdev? 18:29 < echelon> because i have carp traffic only coming through $lan_if, do i need a pf rule to redirect carp traffic to $wan_if? 18:30 < seninha> cgnarne, the router host can have more than one interfaces on the same subnet, can't it? Like, a machine hosting virtual machines connected to each through a veb(4) interface. 18:31 < seninha> echelon, gotcha. i'll /join there 18:31 < cgnarne> No. as icepic told you that is broken and will not work 18:32 < cgnarne> veb is a layer 2 bridge. you are talking about ip, which is layer 3 18:40 -!- \mompreneurs [~join_momp@69-165-245-79.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:46 -!- stevessss [~quassel@pool-71-120-7-125.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:46 -!- stevessss [~quassel@user/stevessss] has joined #openbsd 18:58 -!- ewig`` [~ewig`@user/ewig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59 -!- hwpplayer1 [~hwpplayer@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 19:00 -!- dlock23 [~dlock@user/dlock23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 19:04 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 19:09 -!- gzc1 [~Thunderbi@user/gzc] has joined #openbsd 19:09 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd 19:10 -!- gzc [~Thunderbi@user/gzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:10 -!- gzc1 is now known as gzc 19:17 -!- foton [~foton@user/foton] has joined #openbsd 19:28 -!- zcram [~zcram@user/zcram] has quit [Quit: Do the right thing!] 19:29 -!- grain77 [~grain77@user/grain77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31 -!- grain77 [~grain77@user/grain77] has joined #openbsd 19:33 < echelon> so this is where i'm at unfortunately, folks told me not to do carp over a wan-facing interface, but there's no good documented way of doing it 19:43 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 19:52 -!- zippy [~quassel@86.122.18.97] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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