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04:11 < rnkn> if I'm understanding the fuse commit history correctly, in 7.9 fuse now talks directly to the kernel and previously it didn't?
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04:17 < dg> not quite, it gets closer to using the same protocol over the fuse device as Linux in 7.9, there's a follow up commit in the last few days that completes that
04:19 < rnkn> dg: is there a real world effect to this?
04:21 < dg> right now it means things like lowntfs-3g should work, I've got some work on changes to make go-fuse work (which is a nicer Go fuse driver than some) although I haven't finished them
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04:22 < dg> in theory it means things can be a bit faster, although I suspect given other VFS limitations it might not make much difference
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04:34 < rnkn> would it make any difference to sshfs-fuse?
04:36 < mischief> rclone (and cgofuse) hopefully continue to just work since it just uses libfuse.so
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11:46 < sonofaglitch> renaud: In order to utilize the '/var/backup' need at least the g+x on it, so now my daily security complains about the 'reallyis' on that :(
11:48 < sonofaglitch> What I'm trying to achieve is to externally backup them files via the 'rsync' via a regular user (he is in the 'wheel' group).
11:49 < sonofaglitch> A lot of them files/directories have only user permissions, no group no others.
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17:01 < echelon> carp needs an additional option.. carpdev and carplistenerdev. is that something dev team would be interested in considering?
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17:14 < echelon> ok, pfsync doesn't keep tables in sync?
17:16 < phy1729> It also doesn't keep the ruleset in sync
17:19 < echelon> is there a way to keep tables in sync then
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17:41 < echelon> phy1729: so if i have an ip that's link table <blacklist>, and there's a rule.. block drop quick from <blacklist>
17:42 < echelon> would the block drop quick rule get synced?
17:42 < phy1729> aiui only state gets synced
17:42 < echelon> or is that not considered an active state?
17:42 < echelon> so what would be an example
17:45 < ssm_> I kinda like diff -c for reading more than diff -u
17:45 < ssm_> sdiff is king of course, but that's not great for recursive operations (or I don't know how to use it for that)
17:46 < ssm_> for loop
17:46 < ssm_> terminal ain't wide enough sometimes either
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17:51 < fro> https://marc.info/?l=oss-security&m=178187560315361&w=2
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18:00 < kpcyrd> I'm trying to port inventory software to OpenBSD, the application has one field for the operating system (populated from /etc/os-release on Linux) and one for the kernel, the operating system version string is easy ("OpenBSD 7.9" from uname), but what would you expect as kernel string? On Linux it's something like "Linux 6.18.35-0-virt". On OpenBSD, would you prefer a) "OpenBSD 7.9" b) "OpenBSD
18:00 < kpcyrd> GENERIC#399" c) "OpenBSD 7.9 GENERIC#399" ? Thanks in advance!
18:03 < thrig> uname -v
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18:07 < pardis> I'd argue "OpenBSD 7.9" (or `uname -sr`) is semantically closest to the Linux one
18:07 < pardis> the number in GENERIC#399 will change completely if you build your own kernel and bears no relation to the code in the kernel
18:08 < thrig> it's the closest to a "kernel string" (whatever that means)
18:09 < thrig> operating system would be OpenBSD 7.9 so repeating any of that in the "kernel string" would only duplicate bytes
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18:13 < pardis> that may be desirable if this is connected to some system that assumes a certain semantics to that field, such as comparing kernel versions to see which is "newer"
18:13 < pardis> but hard to say without more context about the software
18:17 < kpcyrd> it's semantically used for "which devices run outdated kernels", e.g. "Linux 6.12.43+deb13-amd64" and "Linux 6.12.90+deb13-cloud-amd64" are both Debian 13, but on different patch levels
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18:18 < thrig> "outdated" might be better captured with some automation around syspatch(8)
18:18 < thrig> syspatch -l | sed -n '$p'  maybe
18:22 < kpcyrd> syspatch (and possibly packages(7)) I would try to express through the field meant for package managers :) OpenBSD might be unique here because as far as I know you can't really reach the state of "syspatch has applied everything, but you have yet to reboot"
18:23 < pardis> of course you can
18:23 < pardis> if you don't reboot after syspatch then you don't get whatever kernel updates may have been applied
18:23 < pardis> and possibly also not other updates in daemons that have not been restarted
18:24 < thrig> or daemon updates, and to test that the host can still boot
18:24 < pardis> but there also isn't a meaningful kernel "version" as such
18:24 < pardis> you could treat the GENERIC#xxx number as a version, but it's really a build number, and if you ever build your own kernel that comparison will be meaningless
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18:26 < Skullheadx> do any large companies use openbsd to host web stuff
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18:41 < kpcyrd> ah, I confused this with sysupgrade, which reboots automatically. anyway, I need to think about this some more, thanks a lot for the input though pardis and thrig!
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23:31 < izder456> in other news i figured out what to do to fix my freezing issue on amdgpu based openbsd machines. turns out firefox automatically sets WebRender to be hw-accel on recent released of firefox but that breaks something on amdgpu and can trigger total system freezes on openbsd 7.9+. forcing it to use software accel till the change in drivers or ff is committed seemed to solve it temporarily
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