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00:14 < Skullheadx> Hi I'm getting Internal Server Errors on the openBSD man pages website for https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.9/httpd.conf
00:14 < Skullheadx> Can anyone confirm is they added the static cache control headers config in 7.9 or is that in current only thx
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00:44 < echelon> https://man.openbsd.org/httpd.conf
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00:51 < Skullheadx> echelon: that's for openBSD current, I want the release version for OpenBSD 79.
00:51 < Skullheadx> 7.9*
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02:18 < deimosBSD> man httpd ?
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02:23 < pardis> the requirement to install the desired version of OpenBSD first may be deemed excessive by some, if it is not already easily accessible
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03:38 < echelon> i tried doing rsync --rsync-path="openrsync" from a linux host to openbsd, but the transfer just hangs, i used -avh options as well, along with -e 'ssh -o ProxyJump=<jumphost>'
03:40 < deimosBSD> iirc you have to specify the full path to the openrsync binary
03:41 < quinq> echelon, also try with --debug option
03:42 < echelon> i tried it again using rsync --rsync-path="openrsync" --no-compress -av -e 'ssh -o ProxyJump=<jump host>' local_dir/ user@remote:remote_dir/ and it worked
03:43 < echelon> it gave a warning about -z not being supported yet previously
03:43 < echelon> but i don't think that would cause it to error
03:43 < quinq> What are the actual differences in command invocation between failing and succeeding?
03:44 < quinq> Just adding --no-compress?
03:45 < echelon> failed command: rsync --rsync-path="openrsync" -avzh -e 'ssh -o ProxyJump=<jump host>' local_dir/ user@remote_host:.
03:45 < echelon> working command: rsync --rsync-path="openrsync" --no-compress -av -e 'ssh -o ProxyJump=<jump host>' local_dir/ user@remote_host:.
03:46 < echelon> with the former i got: openrsync: -z not supported yet, and then when i ctrl-c'd from it hanging too long, it returned: rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at rsync.c(713) [sender=3.3.0]
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03:51 < echelon> IcePic: did you happen to use bgpd or ospf with carp?
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05:27 < cgnarne> do you want to use those with the carp virtual ip?
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06:07 < IcePic> echelon: yes, but we stopped doing that
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06:07 < IcePic> mostly because carp is an L2 redundancy protocol, and ospf was L3, so they would react on different things, and with quite different timings
06:08 < IcePic> carp would flip in a second, ospf in 5-15s, so having one side flip before the other made stuff worse
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06:15 < Ove_> IcePic: But I bet there was an excitement though!
06:19 < IcePic> Ove_: yes, and we did consider having traffic move over the cross-router/fw cabling, so that the traffic would jump over it when carp flipped and ospf hadn't, but pf would get upset and in the end we rebuilt the setup to have routers without pf, and carp-fws below them with carp only
06:19 < IcePic> so routers would route and nothing else, and fws would filter only
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06:23 < dlg> thats the situation i implemented pfsync defer for
06:23 < IcePic> but it was a great learning experience, combined with learning that bge(4) and multicast didn't work out, which both carp and ospf wanted, and of course it was the default on dell motherboards at the time.
06:24 < IcePic> we got to buy a lot of em(4) cards to make the network happy
06:25 < IcePic> dlg: does ospfd hold on to the defer? I always read defer as making sure the second fw has the state before starting to allow traffic to flow so it would not be lost when a flip happens
06:26 < dlg> defer is inside pfsync, and it's only for the first packet
06:26 < IcePic> hmm, re-reading the manpage in this context makes it more clear
06:26 < dlg> pf itself has some fuzz when matching states, but the state has to exist
06:26 < IcePic> I thought (at the time) it was more aimed at handling the part in the section before, when it lumps several states into one pfsync packet
06:27 < dlg> it affects the bundling too
06:27 < dlg> if defer it enabled and you create a state, it pushes the pfsync update out "now"
06:27 < dlg> s/it/is/
06:32 < IcePic> in any case, the dual setup worked wonders, and 1u x86 machines with almost no disk, low ram and one core/socket were super cheap so it was no big deal to split routing into separate instances. That also allowed network folks to replace the ospfd obsd machine with other brands of routers later if they wanted, without losing the pf firewalls
06:33 < dlg> did you still route through openbsd?
06:33 < IcePic> yes
06:33 < dlg> or was it transparent?
06:33 < IcePic> two ospfd obsd boxes, then two pf+carp boxes behind them.
06:34 < IcePic> the ospfd ones had dual connections to two other sites. We had a triangle of connections between two DCs and the office, with dark fiber connections from each location to the two other
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06:34 < IcePic> and the same 2 routers/2 fws at each location
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06:35 < IcePic> ..the same setup with 2 routers ..
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06:36 < IcePic> it can be tough at times to get stuff like obsd into certain places, but the detail that "if it fails, we can repurpose the x86s to something else, and we will have lost very little except time"
06:37 < IcePic> whereas if your workplace aims to move the whole network to a new brand, it will cost a fortune, and you will have no use for those throw-away fortigates or whatever brand you got
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06:50 < echelon> cgnarne: no, i want to use carp with carpdev set to em0, while listening for multicast on em1
06:51 < echelon> https://man.openbsd.org/ifconfig#carppeer alluded to using ipsec, but i don't see how that's even possible
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06:56 < IcePic> echelon: with carppeer
06:56 < IcePic> that is unidirectional, so it can be routed over ipsec (or other tunnel)
06:57 < echelon> IcePic: yes, i tried that, and it did send the unicast over em1, but the kernel listens for carp packets over em0
06:57 < echelon> based on the carpdev setting
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07:00 < echelon> i noticed carp options have changed, so maybe that's why it worked for you then. my best guess is there has been regression over time.
07:01 < IcePic> echelon: what exactly do you mean by "carp packets" there, carp heartbeats or packets destined to/from the carp ip address?
07:02 < echelon> yes, heartbeats, sorry
07:03 < IcePic> so in that case, what did "it did sent the unicast" mean if it wasnt the heartbeats?
07:04 < echelon> if you set carpdev to em0, and carppeer to a subnet on em1, the unicast carp heartbeat reached the peer successfully, but the peer's kernel ignored it, because it was expecting the heartbeats to arrive on em0, because its own carpdev setting was set to em0 as well
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07:05 < echelon> so setting carppeer changes it from multicast to unicast
07:05 < IcePic> carppeer would be a destination ip, not a subnet
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07:06 < echelon> yes, i meant the routing rules allowed it to go over em1, i did set the ip of the actual peer
07:10 < IcePic> when doing carppeer, both need to be set to eachothers ip, so they both know they are doing unidirectional
07:10 < echelon> yup, i did that correctly
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07:12 < echelon> they had a split-brain and both refused to give up master, and to my best guess, the kernel expects the traffic from whatever carpdev is set to
07:13 < IcePic> I don't have a setup now to test it unfortunately
07:13 < echelon> as soon as i set the carppeer to each other's em0 host ip's, the split brain resolved and they were able to failover successfully
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07:16 < echelon> this was in esxi, and had to enable mac forgery and promiscuous mode to get it all to work as well, so i don't know if there's something else
07:16 < echelon> but the fact that i got it to work over em0 should eliminate that possibility
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13:46 < ssm_> *tries xcb instead of xlib* *drawing a simple window with text is 10x the effort* nah I'll pass
13:46 < ssm_> feels like trying to learn vulkan over opengl all over again
13:47 < morpho> graphics programming is just like that
13:47 < morpho> typically if it takes longer to set up, its easier 2000loc in
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13:48 < oldlaptop> and this is why Tk
13:48 < ssm_> graphics programming is as hard as the math makes it be, but apis make it needlessely complicated, usually for gpu compat. xcb just seems kind of obtuse for no particular reason 
13:49 < ssm_> writing a cpu renderer with ppm is super simple
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19:12 < tk> xcb is a simplification over Xlib, but it was designed to be consumed by a higher level abstraction, not used directly. When you write higher level abstractions it's more helpful if the thing you're writing on top of is a set of unopinionated low level building blocks rather than something like XLib where someone at some point designed it with actual direct use by applications in mind
19:13 < fro> ok
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22:48 < pardis> h
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