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06:46 < Ozymandias42> Lol. Nice reference
06:49 < cgnarne> anthk_: what's your problem with the video group?
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11:17 < anthk_> id doesn't exist for an user
11:17 < anthk_> he installed obsd 7.9, it has some intel gma 3600 card, (poulsbo, PowerVR)
11:17 < anthk_> he has no video group
11:17 < anthk_> the gid 91 it's being user for another system group
11:18 < anthk_> s,user,used
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11:33 < jca> there's no group named "video" in a default OpenBSD install
11:35 < jca> also I don't remember the specifics, but I suspect that user experience will be pretty bad with poulsbo/powervr hw
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12:02  * oldlaptop seems to recall there never was a driver for those GPUs
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12:51 < anthk_> I know
12:51 < anthk_> so, if there's no driver, no video group is set?
12:52 < anthk_> also there must be some X.org settings to speed up things a little
12:52 < anthk_> among machdep.allowaperture=3
12:53 < anthk_> the machine has several cores, so the new option to unock them would work too if the user runs a compositor against a LLVMPIPE driver
12:53 < anthk_> such as picom with the GLX backend
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14:02 < oldlaptop> there is no video group, the aperture isn't there to "speed things up", llvmpipe on an atom is not a very good idea, and you should probably stop listening to LLMs
14:05 < ssm_> aperture science foundation
14:07 < jca> oldlaptop: duh, I was wondering why machdep.allowaperture=100 wasn't improving <stuff> here!
14:08 < oldlaptop> doesn't it work like gcc -O42?
14:09 < jca> dunno, I'm blocked because I cannot compile my kernel with LTO
14:10 < anthk_> I listen to no LLM's
14:10 < oldlaptop> (of *course* that is not really even a joke: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GCC_optimization#What_about_-O_levels_higher_than_3.3F)
14:10 < anthk_> his netbook has several cores
14:11 < anthk_> and maybe llvmpipe could be slightly faster than plain VESA which crawls
14:11 < oldlaptop> "plain VESA" is still what has to actually render everything
14:11 < oldlaptop> even if you've dedicated all four of the poor little atom cores to running glxgears
14:12 < oldlaptop> s/render/display, perhaps
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14:13 < oldlaptop> Maybe efifb actually would work a little better, if this thing has EFI in the first place (from memory some of these cursed netbooks have ia32 EFI on amd64 CPUs)
14:13 < anthk_> at least if fbdev was still in use it would work
14:13 < anthk_> yeah, similar to what I said
14:13 < anthk_> the fbdev driver for X.org
14:13 < oldlaptop> but really what would work is finding a machine OpenBSD supports properly
14:13 < oldlaptop> something better is probably waiting for you in the nearest dumpster
14:14 < anthk_> is not for me
14:14 < anthk_> I'm pretty happy with one with i915 support
14:15 < cgnarne> maybe the person that's going to use it will be happy with a Linux?
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14:45 < anthk_> Linux' support it's so-so too
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14:48 < cgnarne> but better than OpenBSD, no?
14:52 < anthk_> same
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14:57 < anthk_> altough https://news.lavx.hu/article/intel-gma500-poulsbo-driver-still-seeing-new-open-source-activity-in-2026
14:57 < anthk_> so obsd -current might catch these one day
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15:03 < oldlaptop> it really would be best to find a better machine - unfortunately there are enough crapbooks in the world that the very crappiest aren't necessarily worth the effort
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15:12 < vortexx> poulsbo on linux is pretty bad, there's a minimal graphics driver written as last resort for it that is dogslow
15:13 < vortexx> you can't do anything productive with it, be it office work, browsing or watching video. I used to be a poulsbo owner, for a Vaio X505
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15:13 < vortexx> you could probably pick up a better machine for under 10$
15:14 < vortexx> clinging to bad hardware is a very bad habit
15:14 < vortexx> (and yes you can find 10/11" laptops in that price range for something that's 15° years old)
15:14 < vortexx> s/15°/15+
15:21 < vortexx> also I don't see this new supposrt being downstreamed to OpenBSD as a) this is for EFI machines so efifb won't work and there's never been an accelerated text console for OpenBSD on bios machines. b) OpenBSD devs aren't usually intererested in improving drivers for x86 devices that old, unless it's a pet project. If you check the mailinig lists you'll find a very old post of mine asking if the linux 
15:21 < vortexx> driver would be ported to OpenBSD, it didn't get a reply
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15:26 < oldlaptop> thinkpad X61 or so would be more useful (old enough that the GoogVM is getting to be a problem, but at least you get a decent keyboard out of the deal)
15:27 < mischief> powervr, yuck.
15:27 < vortexx> s/this is for EFI/this ISN'T for/g
15:28 < vortexx> s/this is for EFI/this ISN'T for EFI/g
15:28 < vortexx> lol
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16:35 < jca> oldlaptop: the GoogVM ?
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16:35 < oldlaptop> as implemented by www/chromium, etc.
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19:21 < objectivist> does the OpenBSD merch ship from Canada?
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20:27 < cjs> objectivist: Not any more. It ships from wherever Creator Spring has distribution centers. Delivery in the US typically takes about 3 weeks, give or take, since the items are printed on demand.
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