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00:00 < mischief> speaking of mta, anyone used or have thoughts on chatmail/delta.chat
00:00 < Bradipo> Hmm, I've heard of that...
00:01 < Bradipo> Supposed to make it possible to communicate using email or other mechanisms...
00:01 < tux0r> ah, delta.chat. e-mail but worse.
00:01 < Bradipo> Seems like it's over-engineered to me.
00:01 < tux0r> i'll start being remotely curious about deltachat once people stop being too dumb for plain e-mail
00:01 < Bradipo> But, it's an interesting idea.
00:01 < tux0r> i doubt that i'll live long enough
00:02 < Bradipo> As I was saying before the netsplit, I don't know of any email hosting providers that will refuse to deliver email to an MTA that has poorly configured TLS.
00:03 < Bradipo> Because they want their "customers" to be able to communicate.  Security is an afterthought.
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02:31 < deimosBSD> fwiw, deltachat is about near real time messaging using client to client encrypted email headers/bodies
02:32 < deimosBSD> no one would use it as an email client for non-deltachat users
02:33 < deimosBSD> I'm sure someone has, but those people are crazy. like people who drive v-6 corvettes
02:33 < deimosBSD> ;)
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02:40 < mischief> i was wondering if a bog standard mta like smtpd could run the backend :-)
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02:46 < deimosBSD> I think so
02:55 < deimosBSD> getting it to work was on my todo list
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04:47 < deimosBSD> in boot.conf, can one set tty pc0 and com0 so if an hdmi cable is plugged in, one can see the boot or if not, the serial console takes over?
04:48 < deimosBSD> right now, i'm just catching it at the boot> prompt and setting the correct display manually
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04:55 < cgnarne> i don't think the bootloader is that smart
04:56 < cgnarne> also, hdmi sucks
04:56 < deimosBSD> I haven't been able to get it to work automatically, that's why I ask
04:56 < deimosBSD> I agree hdmi sucks, but that's what I have on this machine.
05:05 < cgnarne> boot(8) says pc0 is the default cons. i don't see any way of configuring a fallback option there. looks like you're stuck with switching manually
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05:06 < cgnarne> this seems like a pretty niche usecase, what do you need this behaviour for?
05:06 < deimosBSD> i read man boot and started diggint through the code
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05:08 < deimosBSD> mostly when i forget my console cable and the datacenter has hdmi monitors
05:08 < deimosBSD> ;)
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05:08 < deimosBSD> aka to account for my own laziness
05:08 < cgnarne> you would need a way of getting the hdmi port status from efi/bios. good luck with that
05:10 < deimosBSD> as opposed to displayport?
05:10 < cgnarne> deimosBSD: i have a dedicated backpack in my office that i take to the dc. with console cables, usb kvm, fibre cable cleaners, fault detector etc
05:11 < mischief> is your concern the boot logs or just a getty
05:12 < cgnarne> deimosBSD: don't know. depends if there is a way of getting that info from somewhere. i don't know if it would work at all
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05:14 < mischief> was meant for deimosBSD 
05:14 < deimosBSD> i'll just leave a console cable in the racks next time
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07:10 < deimosBSD> mischief: to answer your question, i want to see what's on console at the time I connect. And I want to be able to login depending on the method of connnection (serial or hdmi)
07:10 < mischief> what if you just start a getty with /etc/ttys
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11:51 < mlw> Anyone here use the keepassxc app on OpenBSD? I seem to not be able to copy to a clipboard.
11:52 < mlw> Copying of the password to be precise, does not appear to be happening.
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12:57 < derpadmin> hello all, I just read the news about the libssh2 (up to 1.11.1) allowing an RCE, I checked my mail (where the output of syspatch and pkg_add -u end up) and found no patch were applied. can someone relate?
12:58 < derpadmin> I do not mind that much since my pf does not allow the whole internet on port 22, but still, out of curiosity
12:59 < mischief> openbsd base does not use libssh2, nor does ssh portable for other os.
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13:00 < derpadmin> ah, ok, I had it in my packages list but yes, it is required by nmap
13:00 < derpadmin> thanks for the answer
13:01 < mischief> probably the only thing remotely of interest that uses it is libgit2
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13:09 < derpadmin> yeah, that could be.
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17:12 < seninha> Hi, on https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/nat.html#config the general format is:
17:12 < seninha> > match out on IF from SRC_ADDR to DST_ADDR nat-to EXT_ADDR
17:12 < seninha> > pass out on IF from EXT_ADDR to DST_ADDR
17:12 < seninha> But as an example that follows, it repeats the SRC_ADDR from the match rule on the pass rule:
17:12 < seninha> > match out on tl0 from 192.168.1.0/24 to any nat-to 198.51.100.1
17:12 < seninha> > pass on tl0 from 192.168.1.0/24 to any
17:13 < sibiria> "match" doesn't affect state of a packet/rule
17:13 < seninha> Shouldn't the pass rule be from 198.51.100.1?
17:14 < sibiria> i personally find it messy to do NAT with match, and prefer to do it entirely in a "pass" rule
17:14 < sibiria> splitting the operation in two rules like that, doesn't it lend itself to quick and clear understanding of the networking
17:15 < seninha> sibiria, the general format uses the gateway external ip as source address in the pass rule, while the example uses the local subnet.
17:17 < sibiria> maybe the documentation is incomplete, a snippet from a larger config which doesn't show the full picture. wouldn't be the first time
17:17 < seninha> So which one? Is the faq wrong?
17:17 < seninha> sibiria, i see
17:19 < seninha> s/which one\?/&, the gateway external IP or internal subnet, on the pass rule?/
17:20 < sibiria> what i prefer:  pass out [quick] on $if_ext from 10.0.0.0/8 to ! <table_with_bogons_etc> nat-to ($if_ext) modulate state
17:20 < sibiria> adjust for whatever LAN you need to route
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17:24 < cgnarne> seninha: reread the description for match. it's like "remember it for later. don't apply it now"
17:25 < cgnarne> the pass then applies it
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18:16 < echelon> why can't i monitor multiple network interfaces with tcpdump?
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18:47 < tobiasu> because you didn't send a patch ;)
18:48 < seninha> cgnarne, then isnt it the general syntax at the beginning of that section which is wrong? (for using EXT_ADDR as source address)
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18:57 < thrig> the caped crusader sweeps over Gotham city! na na na na na na na na patch man!
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19:20 < cgnarne> seninha: sorry, i don't understand what you mean
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19:24 < seninha> cgnarne, Here: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/nat.html#config at the beginning of this section, there's a grammar/model for configuring NAT with two filter rules: a `match [...] nat-to EXTERN_ADDRESS` and a `pass [...] from EXTERN_ADDRESS [...]`.
19:26 < cgnarne> ah, i see. mhm, that seems fishy
19:27 < seninha> Then, it shows an actual example (rather than a generic form) where it uses the address for the internal subnet as source address in the pass rule (which you said is the right, since the nat-to “sticks” to the package but only applies later), rather than the gateway's external address (which is what the generic form at the beginning of the section implies).
19:27 < seninha> That's my source of confusion.
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19:30 < cgnarne> lemme check my pf.conf
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19:33  * seninha uses nat-to directly on pass, to avoid thinking too much: https://codeberg.org/seninha/home/src/branch/master/etc/pf.conf#L29
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19:35 < cgnarne> sure, If it works for you
19:36 < cgnarne> here's a snippet from my pf.conf https://okturing.com/src/20542/body
19:36 < cgnarne> works fine for me
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19:42 < seninha> gotta send a mail later to tech@ about the ambiguous example on that page
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19:45 < pr-asadi> Hello
19:46 < pr-asadi> pkg_info's -s option shows the package size in byte?
19:46 < pr-asadi> I want to substitute it into MegaBytes.
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19:51 < pr-asadi> s
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20:14 < qbit> sounds like you need an awk
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20:18 < pr-asadi> I even do not know the default size of pkg_info's -s option
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20:20 < mischief> pr-asadi: bytes?
20:21 < pr-asadi> mischief: You sure its bytes?
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20:22 < mischief> it's my educated guess based on the 10 seconds it took me to run pkg_info -s wcalc and read the output
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