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00:12 < fro> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=178242528597077&w=2
00:12 < fro> yeah so
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00:12 < fro> did this come directly from an AI bot in this channel or what
00:15 < tvtoon> oh, no, untrusted ffmpeg movies, who could guess
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00:16 < fro> i know we talked about this in here because i disputed that openbsd is immune to pixelsmash
00:16 < fro> but this isn't really what i meant
00:17 < tvtoon> the post is really weird, like "mitigation: update to x.x.xx version"
00:17 < fro> yeah that's not a mitigation
00:17 < fro> lol
00:17 < fro> i don't care for my post about stuff on misc@ being used in this either
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00:18 < fro> again i had a point to make there but i don't know about all this
00:18 < fro> don't train your AIs with fro chats/posts
00:19 < tvtoon> ffmpeg is something that deserves a clear attention on any system distribution nowadays, I would argue OBSD and others should fork+patches for formats
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00:19 < fro> i don't know enough about this really because i don't use ffmpeg on openbsd
00:20 < fro> i remember i was just dismissing someone for saying "ASLR makes openbsd immune hyuck hyuck"
00:20 < fro> because that's nonsense
00:20 < fro> but _this_ is something else entirely
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00:22 < tvtoon> I wouldn't trust any of these claims, even more when the software has been derailing like ffmpeg, formats do weird stuff
00:32 < AlaskanEmily> I mean the gaps in MAP_STACK aren't really an open question, right? It's a mitigation and it does its job even if you can execute off a separate stack temporarily. Was this even really a discovery? I wrote code that intentionally did this for a game that used a port of libco from bsnes when bootstrapping another cooperative thread, I thought everyone knew this is just how it works?
00:33 < fro> i mean i think the conclusion i came to in the thread was that this was out of scope for what it is?
00:34 < fro> but that doesn't mean it's not a real concern
00:34 < AlaskanEmily> Wouldn't ffmpeg smashing the stack in a meaningful way also hit the stack check bits that system clang inserts anyway?
00:37 < fro> i don't think that's what pixelsmash does
00:37 < fro> so no
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01:10 < ssm_> pixelsmash is a stride arithmetic error which causes a 1-stride ahead oob write when converting from luma rows to chroma rows
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01:16 < ssm_> slice_height = 32, coded_height = 31, number_slices = (32 + 31 - 1) / 31 = 2, 2 should be 1, so you write a slice ahead
01:16 < ssm_> https://jfrog.com/blog/pixelsmash-critical-ffmpeg-vulnerability-turns-media-files-into-weapons/
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01:21 < tvtoon> oh, finally a test case where immediate operations are harmful
01:23 < tvtoon> but writing out of boundaries using packed structures is something so default
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04:00 < seninha> mail sent (for that pf faq page discussed earlier in this chan): https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=178287814554737&w=2
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09:49 < derpadmin> hello, I am currently playing with relayd and I was wondering if what I want to achieve is possible : I have a single public ip which relayd listen on, behind, I have 2 sites, one that use TLS for in-transit encryption, and the other one that also use TLS for in-transit encryption but also anthentify users with a certificate. my first attempt was to create 2 relays with a different protocol, but relayd 
09:49 < derpadmin> complains that the listen directive is duplicated
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09:52 < derpadmin> this is the example : https://pastebin.com/X2mn8NtX
09:54 < derpadmin> it seems to me that it is not possible to have a 2 relays that listen on the same address but with a different protocol
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10:08 < derpadmin> * different tls options
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13:17 < lts> derpadmin: you could use something like nginx stream module to direct traffic to different relayd instances (running on different ports) based on TCP packets' SNI
13:22 < derpadmin> yes, I had a similar setup before, just wanted to check if it was possible with relayd
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13:22 < lts> To my knowledge it is not (yet)
13:23 < derpadmin> will check if it is possible with httpd only
13:23 < derpadmin> thanks
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13:57 < renaud> derpadmin: you might be interested in sniproxy
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14:04 < derpadmin> it looks deprecated : 
14:04 < derpadmin> https://github.com/dlundquist/sniproxy
14:05 < derpadmin> interesting project still, but I was looking for something that can perform TLS termination 
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14:30 < renaud> derpadmin: the version in OpenBSD ports is not that one and it's still maintained
14:31 < renaud> but it only handles switching from one backend to the other based on SNI without cert
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14:33 < derpadmin> yes, I checked the project
14:34 < derpadmin> I ended up with nginx again... already had a working config for my setup...
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14:35 < derpadmin> lts : no stream module needed, just a proxy pass based on host header value
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16:33 < echelon> are there any file systems that support file redundancy on a single disk? i know zfs can
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16:34 < pardis> ffs with softraid(4)
16:35 < echelon> ah, i can just partition the same disk and create a softraid
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16:36 < pardis> but without checksumming, if there is a mismatch you have no way to know which file has bitrotted
16:36 < pardis> so it only really helps you if you actually have a disk sector go bad
16:37 < echelon> oh hmm
16:37 < mischief> single disk and redundancy dont belong in the same sentence
16:37 < echelon> yeah, i'm only just interested in mitigating bad cells/blocks on ssd's
16:38 < echelon> and for my project, i'll have a lot of spare storage for the os
16:39 < pardis> if you have backups (which you should anyway) then this is all pointless unless you really, really need to be sure that your redundant copy is always perfectly up-to-date
16:39 < pardis> and even then, the whole SSD could fail
16:39 < echelon> yeah, not much can be done if the whole ssd fails
16:41 < echelon> but assuming the whole ssd doesn't fail, i would like to get as much out of it as possible wrt its life expectancy
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16:41 < echelon> oh, and it's for a read-only system as well
16:41 < pardis> I doubt doubling your write load will help with its lifetime
16:42 < pardis> oh
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16:45 < mischief> the typical approach (with systems that do ota updates) is you have an A/B partitioning scheme and are able to swap between them/fall back in case of error. openbsd is not particularly amenable to this.
16:46 < echelon> yeah, resflash seems to do that, but it doesn't do read-only out of the box and without a lot of alterations
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16:47 < echelon> but yeah, i don't plan to do updates directly to the system, it has a write protect switch on the drive
16:47 < echelon> so i will have to manually take it out and reimage it each time i need to update it
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16:51 < echelon> > If you use RAID 1 (mirroring) across two partitions on the same disk, you expect the system to read from the second partition if the first partition hits a bad cell. However, SoftRAID cannot do this on a single drive because of how SATA and NVMe protocols handle read errors
16:52 < echelon> i guess this is what you were saying
16:54 < thrig> or an ABBA partition for all those songs, and the rest on the other parition
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19:26 < echelon> if i need to make calls to crypto functions in a go application, should i opt to use the libressl or just use go's native crypto libraries?
19:26 < echelon> the system libressl*
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19:44 < mischief> echelon: probably just use go. you will not have a particularly fun time mixing c and go.
19:45 < cgnarne> yeah, If you have Go use Go
19:47 < echelon> thanks
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19:48 < thrig> go might be tricky to pledge down
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19:56 < rudi_s> thrig: Why? Go should use relatively few "external" resources, paths or syscalls.
19:57 < cgnarne> everything that's not c might be tricky to pledge down. c can be tricky to pledge down
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19:59 < rudi_s> I see. Haven't tried (just thought that static binaries with no external dependencies would be easy/easier.)
20:02 < echelon> i have a pledge/unveil wrapper for go
20:02 < echelon> go's native pledge/unveil is flawed
20:03 < cgnarne> that's probably the worst way to do it
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20:05 < echelon> cgnarne: why
20:05 < echelon> go's native pledge call doesn't invoke at the start of the program
20:06 < echelon> cgnarne: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/60322
20:07 < echelon> no updates on the ticket since 2023
20:08 < cgnarne> and probably for good reasons as go needs to setup its environment. who knows what syscalls it uses before calling
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20:13 < cgnarne> the idea is to identify what your program has to do, identify what privs you need for what. then pledge down after each step or separate into procs with individual pledges.
20:13 < rudi_s> But the same issue exists in the C as well. I can do that in a C library as well with init() (or similar constructs) which gets executed before main().
20:13 < cgnarne> then it doesn't matter if you can't pledge before main
20:14 < rudi_s> (I also don't think that's a problem pledge is designed to protect against. If you don't trust or libraries you have bigger issue IMO. It's more about making sure that the running program can't cause "bad things" when there are issues in the code.)
20:15 < rudi_s> s/or/your/
20:15 < cgnarne> ^--- also this
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20:39 < thrig> iirc go has some thread complications
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20:49 < rudi_s> Since Go 1.16 there's https://pkg.go.dev/syscall#AllThreadsSyscall but it might be only supported on Linux.
20:49 < rudi_s> (Otherwise there's the "exec-myself-with-restrictions" workaround.)
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23:04 < echelon> cgnarne: using cgo, apparently it pins the goroutine to an OS thread (LockOSThread implicitly), ensuring the pledge syscall isn't interrupted by goroutine scheduling mid-call.
23:06 < echelon> it would seem to be a more deterministic behavior than native go's syscall wrapper for pledge/unveil
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