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02:32 < kvo> ssm_: no legible kernel messages. top portion of screen flickers between blue and white but not readable at all
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03:19 < kvo> ssm_: also, at the "boot>" prompt, running "machine video N" or "machine gop N" (with any available mode N, including the current one) immediately garbles the display
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05:58 < kvo> ssm_: progress! after playing a game of blind chess against the laptop, i managed to get a dmesg: https://okturing.com/src/20626/body
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06:07 < cgnarne> looks like your gpu doesn't get picked up
06:11 < kvo> cgnarne: yeah. this is from the installer, so there's no firmware yet. at this point i might try an autoinstall and then add firmware. open to suggestions though
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07:02 < cgnarne> if you suspect that this is a bug in the fb driver maybe post the misc ml. some developer may have an idea
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07:03 < cgnarne> sure, go with the autoinstall. see what happens.
07:04 < cgnarne> or not, i guess :)
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12:02 < seninha> hi, i am rewriting my server's pf rules into this default-deny one: https://termbin.com/qbwk  does it look good?
12:03 < seninha> at a later step, i will setup a wireguard vpn and limit ssh and irc/6697 (for bouncer) in it
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12:14 < quinq> Maybe just drop the ssh earlier
12:15 < quinq> And pass out quick
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12:28 < cgnarne> yeah, if not needed drop all those individual pass out rules and have a  single pass out on egress
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12:40 < seninha> i see
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12:42 < seninha> pass out on egress by port/service seems to fit more a LAN gateway than a publicly visible server
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13:06 < cgnarne> yes, unless you have very special security needs i'd use that on a server
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15:09 < cgnarne> hiro_: i figured out why pmtu is so broken. all the openbsd pf.conf examples people come up with have scrub no-df and max-mss
15:10 < cgnarne> ups, wrong window. still relevant, tho :)
15:14 < sibiria> i always no-df. i never max-mss
15:15 < sibiria> the max-mss "default example" in pf.conf is perhaps not the wisest
15:15 < cgnarne> then you are only 50% of the problem
15:15 < sibiria> i have no path mtu disc problems
15:16 < cgnarne> that you know of
15:17 < sibiria> tell me the problems you know that i have
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21:44 < havehope> Hey guys, I'm on Void Linux, using sndio for audio, I'm not getting any audio output, does sndio need further configuration for Steam? I checked online but couldn't find anything
21:45 < broke> sorry sndio on linux doesn't work at all have a good day
21:45 < broke> I've tried
21:45 < ssm_> Steam uses a runtime and is not build to support sndio
21:45 < ssm_> step 1: obtain steam source code
21:45 < ssm_> there's maybe a sndio->something shim, if not you'll have to write it
21:45 < havehope> Ah, scheise. Any simplistic audio server that is supported by Steam?
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21:46 < ssm_> pretty sure only pulseaudio or pipewire is supported. actually explicitly only ubuntu linux is supported without the runtime. it's _maybe_ possible that games running through wine could use sndio if wine supports sndio
21:46 < ssm_> steam itself though, no
21:47 < ssm_> unless steam also is running through wine
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21:47 < broke> havehope: just alsa perhaps
21:47 < broke> I use that on my desktop, no pulse pipewire, just alsa
21:48 < ssm_> no apulse?
21:48 < ssm_> you sure the runtime isn't doing any trickery?
21:48 < broke> I don't I think I have apulse
21:48 < broke> lemme confirm
21:48 < broke> but there's a match going on...
21:48 < ssm_> it's possible the runtime is configured to translate alsa -> whatever steam uses
21:49 < havehope> broke: Well, then I have issues with other software, why do people always go for the bloatware... :(
21:49 < broke> you don't need pulse pipe I am sure
21:49 < broke> I'm on void and I just got every kind of audio just by alsa without any extras I think
21:50 < broke> err nvm
21:50 < broke> I have apulse installed
21:50 < broke> :\
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21:50 < broke> I think it was for steam
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21:50 < havehope> broke: I'm on Void as well, but you know. It's software supporting it or not, not the other way around sadly.
21:53 < havehope> Anyways, thanks guys.
21:54 < oldlaptop> given that wine doesn't support openbsd at all (or perhaps you'd say it's the other way around), it wouldn't be all that likely to support sndio
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21:55 < broke> I wish wine did support openbsd, its better than a vmm(4) atleast
21:55 < oldlaptop> (a major annoyance in trying to use sndio on linux is that pretty much everything that supports it treats it as openbsd-specific - it tends to need explicit action at build time *and* at runtime to force things to choose it in preference to any of the more ordinary linux audio APIs)
21:56 < oldlaptop> where sndio support even exists upstream (as opposed to in patches in the openbsd ports tree) in the first place
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21:56 < broke> all I know is that sndio is totally different in Linux, in fact unusable out of mpv and cmus
21:57 < broke> I couldn't get it to work on browsers or anything else
21:57 < oldlaptop> broke: My understanding is that windows binaries tend to do things (mapping stuff at the null pointer was a major obstacle, IIRC) that are very deliberately not ever going to work (because they're wrong and insane) on openbsd.
21:57 < broke> the most bloateless one on void linux I have found is just using alsa (with some minimal compat layers I guess)
21:58 < broke> ALSA should be ripped out of LInux
21:58 < broke> :(
21:58 < oldlaptop> chromium doesn't support OpenBSD, and definitely doesn't have sndio support upstream
21:58 < oldlaptop> ...?
21:58 < broke> btw what modern browsers do all use?
21:58 < broke> ironically I hear chromium works better than firefox on openbsd somehow
21:59 < broke> ironic to your remark
21:59 < oldlaptop> ALSA is the *only* audio API linux itself (the kernel) has, isn't it?
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21:59 < broke> oldlaptop: yes and it sucks
21:59 < broke> I installed chromium from the pkg (ports) and it didn't even run, I was confused
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22:00 < oldlaptop> chromium is kept running at all solely by openbsd's brave stable-shovelers, unless something's changed google does not care
22:01 < broke> I've been using firefox since ever but coming to openbsd I am reading people avoid firefox
22:01 < broke> and then recommend chromium
22:01 < broke> (and then chromium not working :\)
22:01 < objectivist> some people just avoid it because of their politics which is funny
22:02 < oldlaptop> What do you mean by "didn't even run"?
22:02 < broke> hmm let me get the error brb
22:02 < broke> I got a error on the cli and gave up on debugging it
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22:07 < ssm_> broke: <browsers> firefox-esr w/ arkenfox. will switch to librewolf next release
22:08 < ssm_> for SERIOUS usecases, links (graphics mode), telescope for gopher & gemini
22:08 < ssm_> lagrange is cool too but it's a bit buggy
22:09 < broke> so librewolf would be the most usable on obsd?
22:09 < ssm_> for most serrious usecases, drawterm into 9front in vmm(4) and using mothra(1)
22:09 < ssm_> my cat says this one is the best
22:09 < broke> "serious usecases" :)
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22:11 < broke> hello, does adb (android debugging tools) actually work on obsd?
22:11 < ssm_> works fine for me
22:12 < ssm_> if it doesn't, I know it works with usb passthrough with qemu
22:12  * oldlaptop does not get the impression there are many/any relevant differences between firefox and "librewolf"
22:12 < broke> ok thanks, I guess its a matter of debugging
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22:13 < broke> oldlaptop: basically librewolf is just private ver of firefox, you can get the same in firefox
22:13 < broke> a useless fork
22:13 < broke> iirc firefox+arkenfox = librewolf
22:14 < objectivist> Librewolf is simply just a mozilla Brave
22:14 < objectivist> sans crypto
22:14 < ssm_> it's only useless if you consider picking the malware out the config a valuable use of time
22:14 < ssm_> Brave is a cryptoscam lol
22:15 < broke> good point actually
22:15 < broke> oh well
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22:15 < broke> my main use of these browser is to copy links from Links and render JS
22:15 < objectivist> I always loved Zen Browser because I'm a vain ricer, but don't like the mozilla telemetric analytic stuff with my browser
22:15 < broke> ricers ewwww
22:15 < broke> oh sorry
22:16 < objectivist> Just realized... Broke & Oldlaptop
22:16 < broke> no no no don't
22:16 < objectivist> Still runs OpenBSD
22:16 < ssm_> objectivistly correct analysis
22:16 < objectivist> You guys should start a podcast
22:17 < broke> obsd is perfect for old laptops honestly
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22:17 < broke> then again more perfect for servers and should be used more as servers
22:17 < objectivist> Seems to be ok
22:18 < objectivist> One reason to stay on *BSD is PF alone
22:18 < broke> I am gonna use a oldlaptop literally as a homeserver soon
22:18 < oldlaptop> Life is too short to deal with linux wifi configuration.
22:18 < broke> its my x200 for those who know, ripped out the motherboard Xd
22:18 < oldlaptop> (If only battery life on openbsd wasn't even shorter.)
22:19 < broke> ahahahaa
22:19 < objectivist> oldlaptop: can you elaborate on that?  Because I was having WIFI / DNS issues to get my ZNC Bouncer to run
22:19 < objectivist> Is that a common thing?
22:19 < broke> I find its the matter of -40mins on my machine
22:19 < oldlaptop> Hm?
22:19 < broke> wifi issues are normal
22:19 < ssm_> maybe it's just me getting used to it, but my battery life on openbsd has doubled over the past few releases
22:19 < broke> 40mins less battery life on obsd
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22:19 < ssm_> must be that iwx(4) powersave
22:20 < objectivist> Have old thinkpads so not sure I have a good metric on battery life, dead in 2 hours regardless
22:20 < broke> I tried linux on this machine again and immediately coming back I don't think I can use anything but obsd on my laptop
22:20 < oldlaptop> I find userspace wi-fi configuration on linux very irritating to deal with - in sharp contrast to just having everything right there in ifconfig(8).
22:20 < broke> ^
22:20 < objectivist> Yes
22:20 < broke> this exactly
22:20 < objectivist> Agreed
22:20 < broke> everything is so well done
22:20 < broke> massive respect
22:20 < oldlaptop> What that would have to do with "WIFI / DNS issues [and] ZNC" I have no clue. (Why are you running znc on a laptop?)
22:21 < broke> I did a lot of research, the main two recent optimisations I found was using mfs for /tmp and cache directories
22:21 < objectivist> Simply trying to connect to one, wasn't able to reach host and I was racking my brains trying to get it to work... DNS issues but was able to browse freely and do everything else
22:22 < oldlaptop> Unless you were relying on mDNS (zeroconf, avahi, whatever) to resolve the name of the machine running znc, that doesn't make much sense to me.
22:23 < oldlaptop> (OpenBSD does not support resolving names with mDNS - at least not at the C library level like linux/glibc does.)
22:25 < oldlaptop> (The relative effectiveness of glibc and openbsd's C library as emetics is another distinct point of difference, in that and other respects... In fairness, you *usually*, *normally* don't have to worry about nsswitch, but I trust anyone who's had to will agree that life is too short for that too.)
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23:20 < havehope> Reading this chat is fun, I might just stay here to listen to you people's opinion on software
23:21 < havehope> You know I was just gonna tell broke that my favorite web browser is Dillo, not modern but still gets the job done I guess (whe the fuckers)
23:22 < havehope> *unless the fuckers make their websites JavaScript only.
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23:24 < havehope> Seriously, fuck everyone who does that, displaying text must not be a JavaScript utility. Like I get it if it's a chatting platform's web version (Bloat of the HTTP and W3C) but other than that there must ALWAYS be a way to view it without JavaScript.
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