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00:57 < dg> miggyb: I doubt you'll hit gigabit, there's some notes at the end of https://kirill.korins.ky/articles/edgerouter-4-under-openbsd-with-failover-wan/ about benchmarking, the nat ones in particular
00:58 < dg> miggyb: in general under linux that's not possible in software either, there's some hardware offloading which isn't part of any open source module, so supporting it is tricky
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01:30 < broke> Hello, can i ask Xorg/X11 questions here? as its also kinda a Xenocara question as well. I am experiencing audio cut offs when my screen times out. I'm on an old hardware which might be the problem as well, but I want to know if there is a way to prevent this problem somehow?
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01:36 < tvtoon> check the logs, only you can tell if it can be done, HDMI?
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02:46 < vortexx> chara: as the logs state, it couldn't mount the nfs share so everything goes wrong. Was the path passed to the client correct?
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02:53 < ssm_> I've never been able to get pledge(4) to work with sdl or glfw apps; process always aborts with "tty" even if I give the tty (and exec) to both promises and execpromises
02:53 < ssm_> I tried moving the pledge call to the end of initialization before the main loop but that didn't work either :X
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02:54 < ssm_> prog[$pid]: pledge "tty", syscall 54
02:55 < ssm_> syscall 54 is ioctl. maybe that's why
02:55 < dg> ktrace will show you
02:59 < dg> (also in general don't set execpromies, if it execs something else you want to add pledge code to that, after initialisation)
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03:06 < ssm_> thanks, ktrace helps a lot
03:06 < ssm_> turns out it's unveil, not pledge
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03:10 < ssm_> works after "stdio inet unix wpath rpath prot_exec drm fattr cpath recvfd sendfd flock"
03:10 < ssm_> might as well turn pledge off!
03:11 < dg> not quite, not having exec is there is quite important
03:12 < ssm_> yeah, and tape, can't have my tape drive be hacked
03:15 < ssm_> pledge(4) doesn't really document the drm promise. it sort of does in the ioctl paragraph, but it's otherwise unmentioned
03:15 < ssm_> wouldn't have known it was also a blocker if not for ktrace
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03:16 < seninha> hello from NATted wireguard vpn! 
03:16 < dg> ssm_: yes, I just noticed that too, feel like sending a diff to tech@?
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03:19 < ssm_> no
03:20 < ssm_> it's 5AM here and I'll probably forget by tomorrow
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04:57 < loganaden> hi
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05:15 < cgnarne> chara: can you share the nfs exports file and bootparams of the server?
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13:30 < broke> Hello, sorry to bring this up again, I left suddenly without replying on my question from yesterday. I was looking for to avoid my audio cutting when the screen timesout (and turns off). Its a laptop screen for your kind information (as someone replied asking about it earlier)
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14:48 < ewq> how is the audio connected?
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15:57 < cgnarne> chara: tar xzvf is wrong here. you need to tar zxphf. there's a typo in your client's fstab. it looks like there's no hostname.if for your client. did you create device entries in /dev?
15:58 < chara> cgnarne: i did.
15:59 < chara> let me recreate the file tree then
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15:59 < chara> good catch re: -ph
15:59 < broke> ewq: its the laptop's internal dac
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16:18 < chara> cgnarne: also, do my file system needs to be yesdev, yessuid, wxallowed?
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16:23 < cgnarne> i don't think there's a thing like yesdev, yessuid. my diskless client doesn't need wxallowed. depends on the packages you Install i guess
16:23 < chara> well, just removing nodev and nosuid from mount arguments i meant :)
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16:25 < cgnarne> for the diskless client? yes
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16:37 < chara> cgnarne: im still getting stat, mknod and ttyflags warrning, but some warrnings gone away
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16:42 < chara> also populating etc is a bit diffucult. i wish there was a list.
16:44 < echelon> can process supervisors potentially interfere with pledge/unveil of a child process? also, are there any process supervisors that also use pledge/unveil?
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16:46 < phy1729> pledge has execpromises, so sort of
16:48 < cgnarne> iirc the use of execpromises is discouraged
16:51 < phy1729> with a quick grep the only use I see is in libexec/ld.so/ldd/ldd.c
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17:04 < cgnarne> chara: i've not seen those errors on my client. i find those 2 errors messages before the kernel is loaded a bit concerning. No idea what that is about.
17:05 < cgnarne> do you run pf on the nfs server?
17:07 < chara> i think those were because there was no pf.conf file
17:07 < cgnarne> huh?
17:07 < chara> so the client rejected the packets(?)
17:07 < chara> i didnt knew about /var/sysmerge/*etc.tgz files before hand, so i was doing it kinda manually
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17:08 < cgnarne> how can the client reject packages before the kernel is booted?
17:08 < chara> after kernel is booted
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17:09 < cgnarne> https://okturing.com/src/20680/body
17:09 < chara> okay by copying etc files from /var/sysmerge/ instead of creating them manually, i have an almost complete boot
17:09 < thrig> if only there were tcpdump to see what packets the server sees
17:10 < chara> stat: 10.0.0.2:/home/chara/nfs/d510/: No such file or directory
17:10 < chara> usage: mknod [-m mode] name b|c major minor
17:10 < chara>        mknod [-m mode] name p
17:10 < chara> the system boots nonetheless.
17:10 < chara> i wonder why those are.
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17:11 < chara> let me see what it tries to open via udp
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17:18 < cgnarne> i think diskless(8) could need a few updates
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17:20 < chara> i think
17:21 < chara> _maj=$(stat -f "%Hr" $_rootdev) in /etc/rc:307 is the problem
17:21 < thrig> diskless was more a thing back in the 80s when hard drives were stupid expensive
17:22 < chara> i think those have values in development as well.
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17:24 < sibiria> light client booting over PXE comes to mind. not too uncommon
17:25 < echelon> anything out of the box (no ports)? i just want to be able to track a service, and if it dies X amount of times within Y minutes, i want it to trigger Z action.. any recommendations for a supervisor service that can do this?
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17:25 < mischief> echelon: cron? ;)
17:26 < echelon> ok, anything in ports?
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17:29 < sibiria> i'd use a simple shell script to launch and track
17:30 < sibiria> ...because no port comes to mind
17:30 < mischief> echelon: unsure, i started making a little thing for this myself but it's certainly not in ports and very much not production ready ;)
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17:32 < echelon> ok, monit seems to be able to accomplish this without having to write your own custom script
17:34 < sibiria> monit, zabbix, munin, prometheus, etc., but they are all pretty big tools
17:35 < sibiria> they are full monitoring suites
17:36 < cgnarne> runit may also be able to do this
17:36 < sibiria> monit is at least the smallest of these
17:36 < echelon> i didn't think zabbix had the ability to start services
17:37 < sibiria> you can tell the client to do pretty much anything
17:37 < cgnarne> but if your service dies every few minutes i'd look at the cause of that
17:37 < echelon> cgnarne: runit would also require a fairly sized script
17:37 < echelon> cgnarne: it doesn't, just want to get ahead of the problem
17:38 < cgnarne> why would you imagine this to happen?
17:38 < echelon> i haven't tested the service in production under full load
17:39 < sibiria> monitoring important services, renowned or not, is to me a pretty basic thing to do for HA and reliability
17:39 < sibiria> like, what's the case for _not_ doing it if it's an important service
17:39 < sibiria> standard operational security
17:40 < echelon> yeah, i already have an HA set up with carp, but i want to be able to tell the host to demote itself if the service keeps crashing within a specific window
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18:28 < ssm_> I find it weird pledge parses a string instead of ORing some macros together. even weirder since the macros in <sys/pledge.h> are powers of 2
18:29 < ssm_> that is to say, pledge(PLEDGE_STDIO|PLEDGE_INET|PLEDGE_UNIX, ""); instead of pledge("stdio inet unix", "")
18:30 < ssm_> it's i bit more ugly of course, but comparing a single int vs string parsing is a lot cheaper. maybe there's some kernel magic I haven't seen yet
18:31 < cgnarne> what if you run out of bits for pledges? what happens when a pledge gets retired?
18:31 < ssm_> I dunno, ask sys/pledge; it's already using up most of the 64-bit range
18:32 < chara> 64 is ought to be enough for everyone
18:32 < ssm_> are we going to make that many more promises?
18:32 < ssm_> yeah that's what I'm saying though, pledge(2) the syscall handles a string, but sys/pledge.h is a bitmask
18:33 < cgnarne> the syscall is the interface for the user
18:33 < ssm_> <- anything but actually reading kernel code
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18:35 < cgnarne> say you retire the tmppath promise. If pledge uses macros then that bit is burned forever and can't be used again
18:36 < chara> -- why?
18:36 < chara> just remove it from .h?
18:37 < ssm_> it would be bad for legacy code
18:37 < chara> are there cases where cant update it?
18:37 < ssm_> that being said, openbsd has never cared about api stability, so I agree with chara on that basis
18:38 < ssm_> if you want to run old software for new releases it's your porting effort
18:38  * ssm_ looks at memory randomization
18:39 < chara> well, that is a breaking change, and breaking changes must be loud.
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18:40 < cgnarne> i'm a little biased here. pledge has very plan9 feel and i'm all for it
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18:41 < chara> cgnarne: using strings everywhere? :)
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18:42 < cgnarne> also i don't think that string parsing in pledge does matter much in the grand scheme
18:42 < cgnarne> chara: text based interfaces are one part of it
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18:46 < ssm_> I think something like poising the bit and aborting the program for 1 release and then using the bit for some other promise the next would give enough time to find the edgecases. or just grep -ril 'pledge.*\<promisename\>'
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18:49 < chara> those would be good, but still doesnt bit compile time errors.
18:50 < chara> *beat, ESL... sigh...
18:52 < phy1729> https://web.archive.org/web/20221106120901/https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/string-interfaces
18:52 < ssm_> second one is flawed if there is a newline anywhere or if the promise is passed in as variable
18:53 < cgnarne> phy1729: thanks, i was looking for that
18:55 < chara> indeed.
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19:03 < jtt> has anyone seen 'No such file or directory' errors when launching applications on the terminal lately?
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19:04 < jtt> i see them with freecad, mpv and firefox (at least)
19:05 < ssm_> is the process unveil(2)'d?
19:06 < ssm_> I have no doubts unveil blocks a lot of crap firefox does by default
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19:13 < thrig> ktrace would show the filenames, maybe
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19:26 < jtt> yeah I'll check but this wasn't the case before
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