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00:57 < dg> maybe they're expecting dbus or some desktop type softdep to be around and it's not today
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02:02 < mischief> speaking of which, anyone know what happened to tedu@ ?
02:03 < mischief> i wish i had archived his code before his website went offline
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03:13 < byteskeptical> mischief: I don't but hopefully he's just enjoying an extended vacation. I do enjoy his blog quite a bit.
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03:21 < mischief> unfortunately his blog is no longer enjoyable live since it's offline. and has been for some time.
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03:22 < mischief> unless i've been banned/geobanned secretly and just didn't figure that out..
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03:29 < martian67> its dead jim
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11:11 < ninjin> mischief: Have been wondering as well. Hopefully he is just having some away time from it all.
11:12 < ninjin> Unrelated, is there a tool to discover PMTU in base? Not feeling great today, so I could have missed it, but I think the answer is no.
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11:21 < IcePic> ninjin: ping with -D and then changing packet size until it fails?
11:22 < ninjin> IcePic: Cheers, -Ds it is then.
11:22 < IcePic> so its not automated, but it works
11:22 < ninjin> Worst case you can script it.
11:23 < ninjin> Having some annoying MTU issues with a new VPN provider. All but two internal machines playing nice and I need to figure out what is going on.
11:24 < IcePic> if your vpn is using smaller mtu, then mss settings will "fix" tcp, but not icmp and udp
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11:30 < ninjin> Yeah, I am trying to avoid playing with MSS. Looks like I have something upstream from my gateway that blackholes ICMP [1427,1472].
11:33 < ninjin> I am at a complete loss as to why this only affects one VPN, but not the other. But at the moment I will take any reasonable solution. Will see if forcing 1426 as the MTU for egress solves it. I am not a complete muppet when it comes to networking, but I am hardly a professional.
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11:35 < IcePic> mtu problems are boring to work around, since stuff can "half-work", and simple pings and resolving seem to work fine, except sometimes it doesn't
11:36 < IcePic> so if your vendor is not re-assembling fragments correctly after clamping to smaller-than-1500, its not you being a muppet, its them breaking some parts of the network
11:36 < ninjin> Mhm. I have no clue why one Linux box and one out of two of my wife's phones refuse to work. But everything else does.
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11:45 < IcePic> ninjin: you could still have differences between ipv4 and ipv6 for instance
11:46 < ninjin> Should be all IPv4 internal still though. Not bothering with that until I may buy a house.
11:46 < ninjin> I have IPv6 enabled on the WireGuard interface though. Let me try to disable it as it does nothing.
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11:48 < ninjin> Booted my non-custom kernel. So I spent a minute wondering why unbound was dead. But it was because my path for the WiFi USB adapter is not merged.
11:48 < ninjin> s/path/patch/
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12:31 < ninjin> Urgh, third evening with this now. Why on Earth would say setting my gateway egress to a lower MTU not resolve the situation? Should not all my internal boxes discover the PMTU? My pf.conf should be liberal enough: https://paste.sr.ht/~ninjin/eef5fc6a8f216b82faf037cb51c79d3c902bfc37
12:32 < ninjin> On top of that, the PMTU is *higher* for the new VPN (1392) than the old one (1352).
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13:04 < mischief> ninjin: does pmtu discoververy not work right?
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13:06 < ninjin> mischief: Well, it is my guess at least. I am a bit out of my waters to determine if. Maybe I can fish it out using tcpdump? Essentially, OpenBSD laptop works fine, Android phone works fine, NixOS desktop I have to pin the MTU, iOS phone works fine, other iOS phone is a no-go and you can not pin the MTU on iOS because Apple.
13:07 < ninjin> The only thing I need to do to make all devices work is flip the routing table in the pf.conf to the old VPN.
13:07 < ninjin> So, based on that, I assume it is MTU discover over the WireGuard interfaces that is borked.
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13:21 < mischief> your gw is openbsd too, or just the client?
13:22 < ninjin> Gateway as well.
13:22 < ninjin> Running WireGuard straight through ifconfig.
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13:57 < dzwdz> is there any way to browse the -stable code on the web?
13:57 < dzwdz> i'm on a slow connection so i'd rather not have to clone the entire thing just to take a look at a few files
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14:34 < Chip1972> ...
14:34 < Chip1972> how to fix this?
14:34 < Chip1972> ./qjs[1]: syntax error: NUL byte unexpected
14:38 < thrig> remove the NUL byte, perhaps?
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14:47 < Chip1972> how  remove the NUL byte from Cosmopolitan binaries?
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14:51 < thrig> why would whatever a "Cosmopolitan binary" is be emitting a ksh syntax error?
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15:14 < mischief> iirc the developer of cosmopolitan decided to not support openbsd any longer
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16:55 < echelon> hello
16:56 < echelon> can anyone tell me what the dependencies are for zabbix-agent? https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/net/zabbix/Makefile
16:56 < echelon> it seems to be bundling the zabbix-server, zabbix-proxy, zabbix-web and zabbix-agent in one Makefile so it's hard to tell apart the deps
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17:14 < cgnarne> pkg_add -s zabbix-*
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17:26 < echelon> cgnarne: thanks
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17:44 < dominick72_97> How do you guys prevent going over your provider's monthly bandwidth quota? My idea is to throttle the IP's that are using the most so normal users wouldn't get affected.
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17:53 < IcePic> dominick72_97: don't think I ever had an ISP that had a quota for me. Perhaps there was, but I never hit it
17:53 < echelon> comcast was infamous for that
17:53 < dominick72_97> I think most VPS's have one.
17:54 < dominick72_97> My ISP used to have one 10 years ago.
17:54 < cgnarne> that info was missing
17:54 < dominick72_97> Yea, sorry. I'm going to be running a web service so I'm wary of bots abusing it.
17:54 < cgnarne> are you talking about your isp or vps?
17:55 < echelon> the vps' isp would be something like level3
17:55 < dominick72_97> I'll be running it on a VPS
17:56 < echelon> the vps provider itself might be the one setting its own bandwidth quotas
17:56 < echelon> not the isp
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17:59 < cgnarne> aside from the usual go-away, anubis and nepenthes there's not that much you can do to save your bandwidth from bots, is there?
18:01 < thrig> you can use pf queues to limit things, though this may break poorly written code such as git
18:01 < thrig> (that is, if you limit bw or connections too much, the git client goes to 100% cpu and eventually times out)
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18:06 < cgnarne> but this won't differentiate between bots and legitimate users
18:06 < dominick72_97> thrig: I was thinking of doing that dynamically from userspace with pfctl to only target abusers.
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18:07 < dominick72_97> cgnarne: Those are pretty interesting but not really what I'm aiming for. Bookmarked them though, thanks!
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18:08 < cgnarne> blocking or rate limiting ai crawlers is a like playing whack a mole
18:09 < thrig> gemini://michaelnordmeyer.com/transmissions/2026-06-22-blocking-hyperscalers-on-my-vps-and-antenna.gmi
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18:14 < cgnarne> that's a big hammer
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18:23 < cgnarne> dominick72_97: i forgot iocaine in that list
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18:43 < dominick72_97> thrig: Used a gemini browser for the first time to read that and holy cow is it fast! Prematurely blocking every big provider seems a bit overkill though...
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19:00 < dominick72_97> cgnarne: I feel like that wouldn't solve the problem if the scraper doesn't care that it's reading garbage
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19:21 < cgnarne> it's a tarpit so it feeds the bot garbage at a very slow rate
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19:21 < cgnarne> but yeah, i fear there are no good solutions to this problem
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19:31 < cgnarne> dominick72_97: another way a friend came up with relies on the behaviour of most of the scrapers. they come from different (residential) ip nets and don't use the same ip address twice in a row.
19:33 < cgnarne> test or set a cookie for connections with the hashed ip and a salt. then only allow access to your app if the cookie matches
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19:52 < thrig> might be problematic for someone on a train that's switching ip addresses for reasons
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20:01 < cgnarne> worst case is they get an annoying cookie updated page and on refresh they have a new valid cookie
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20:09 < quinq> yeah
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21:30 < deimosBSD> ok, i have a dumb question, why does the gemini-cli require NodeJS and other web monsters?
21:30 < quinq> Because… Gemini xD
21:32 < deimosBSD> yeah, because there is no actual gemini protocol client for openbsd
21:32 < deimosBSD> someone actually provided a package for gemini-cli as the google gemini ai client thing, what a mess
21:32 < thrig> you could write a gemini cli in about one line of shell script. maybe two.
21:33 < thrig> oh, the google ai slop? yeah bloat gonna bloat
21:33 < deimosBSD> all this to read some content about something
21:33 < quinq> Yeah thrig, but actually now, read their “standard”
21:33 < quinq> s/now/no/
21:33 < deimosBSD> which that guy also blocks web proxies
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21:35 < deimosBSD> but when one tries pkg_info -Q gemini it only returns the google gemini
21:36 < quinq> Internet suggests amorfa
21:36 < deimosBSD> yes, but not pkg_info
21:36 < deimosBSD> can't trust randos on the internet
21:36 < deimosBSD> ;)
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21:38 < deimosBSD> and for total pedanticness (new word), https://github.com/blmayer/ereandel/blob/main/ereandel is 632 lines of shell script to browse gemini links
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21:40 < quinq> Plus openssl
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21:43 < deimosBSD> also, why is all this gemini software hosted on github. </sigh> nevermind
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21:46 < thrig> https://codeberg.org/kr1sp1n/awesome-gemini
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22:36 < seninha> Hi, how can i use unwind to resolve names on two routing tables?
22:36 < seninha> Context: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-10-09-openbsd-wireguard-exit.html#_Bypass_VPN
22:38 < seninha> I just setup a wg(4) and am using a remote peer as routing gateway. That's on routing table 0, as 1 is used by trunk0 to reach the remote server and stablish the vpn.
22:38 < seninha> i tried to `ifconfig lo1 rdomain 1` and set the usual inet address, but that does not work.
22:39 < seninha> Using a public name solver is a possibility, but i do not want it, for i have unwind configuration i do not want to get rid of.
22:40 < seninha> Does the solution involves making localhost reachable in routing table 1?
22:41  * seninha will try to do that traffic redirection idea
22:42 < sibiria> i do it by forwarding dns traffic from rdomain 1 to 0
22:47 < sibiria> so i have hostname.lo1 in the mix, which has "rdomain 1" as part of its spec
22:47 < sibiria> then i "match in on lo1 proto udp to 127.0.0.1 port 53 rdr-to lo0 rtable 0"
22:48 < sibiria> you will have to omit "set skip on lo" for this. also remember to "pass quick on lo"
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