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00:15 < vortexx> at least DOS by default doesn't have a tcp/ip stack
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00:31 < thrig> pretty sure they bolted on stuff from bsd when the internet turned out to be a thing
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01:10 < vortexx> thrig: indeed they did
01:12 < vortexx> more to the point, when BBSes lost momentum because the internet happen. So MSNetwork walled garden wasn't going to work out
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03:47 < seninha> Hi, just out of curiosity, in pf.conf(5) why do source/state limiters require both a name and a number id to be identified?
03:48 < seninha> All other objects in pf.conf are given a name, but limiters require an id as well. Why that?
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03:49 < seninha> (pinging dlg for he implemented it)
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10:02 < cgnarne> after chara's diskless adventure i updated my thinclient and yes, the diskless experience is a bit lacking
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10:26 < mischief> cgnarne: are you not entertained?
10:29 < cgnarne> let's say it's an involved process
10:30 < quinq> As long as it's only the process that's involved, and not you
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12:12 < il> quinque lol
12:12 < il> I already told you whenever I first entered the channel, but I cannot see that nick without quinque coming to mind
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12:25 < quinq> Well, that's the ethymology I suppose
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13:36 < dominick72_97> thrig: Guess I'll just have to experiment then, thanks!
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14:06 < sibiria> dominick72_97: perhaps also not overthink it too much (unless your system really is a high profile target). my own effort, as an example, is to just queue outbound traffic and leave a couple of mbit/s and associated ack packets for the sshd some guaranteed headroom
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14:07 < sibiria> as oldlaptop points out, unless the edge protects you, the inbound traffic is already saturated the second an attacker decides to bomb your system
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14:08 < sibiria> i synproxy (no cookies) inbound TCP connections, apply some basic connection limits, and queue the outbound return traffic. it offers some basic protection
14:09 < oldlaptop> not to disagree, but I don't think I have ever pointed this thing out
14:10 < sibiria> ah you're right, it was mischief
14:11 < oldlaptop> Maybe I actually would disagree a tiny bit on the margins: maybe what you actually have to worry about in some particular situation is minimizing CPU load from the zillion spam packets?
14:11 < oldlaptop> (in which case queueing still doesn't sound like the most helpful idea)
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14:12 < sibiria> i think it's the least one can/should do in absence of being able to sink or blackhole the traffic on the edge
14:13 < sibiria> gives some small control of the return traffic rates
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16:44 < dominick72_97> sibiria: It shouldn't be a target and I'm not really worried even if it does go offline. I'm just interested in doing a good job when setting it up the first time. I've never really run a public server before so it's pretty new to me. Thanks for all the advice!
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18:34 < Guest6085> hi there. does unveil works for network addresses as well?
18:34 < vizzion> hello
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18:34 < vizzion> woah finally i got irc working
18:34 < chara> hi vizzion 
18:35 < vizzion> hai
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18:56 < cgnarne> chara: how do you think it would work?
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19:22 < chara> killing the offending process on connect()s to sockets that are unveil'd?
19:22 < chara> cgnarne: ^
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19:30 < cgnarne> unveil is for a file system namespace
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19:31 < chara> yeah, i was wondering if i can extend it to support network addresses as well
19:31 < chara> or domain names perhaps.
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19:31 < chara> (or maybe even another syscall, as a summer project)
19:31 < cgnarne> why? that's what pf is for
19:33 < chara> good point, but pf just doesnt stop a compermised httpd to not connect() to sshd, will it?
19:33 < cgnarne> if you are interested in a system where everything is a file have a look at plan9
19:34 < chara> (theorically it can, but pratically it wont)
19:34 < chara> im coming from the same land.
19:34 < chara> where windows are white, and clocks are cat shaped.
19:34 < cgnarne> chara: that's what priv sep is for
19:35 < cgnarne> chara: yes :)
19:35 < chara> will it stop that?
19:35 < cgnarne> stop what?
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19:36 < chara> will privsep stops a comparmised httpd to access other ports on the local system?
19:37 < chara> i guess if other processes lack inet pledge, yeah.
19:37 < cgnarne> did you take a look at how httpd on OpenBSD works?
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19:38 < chara> no, that was a example that came to my mind as a network facing program.
19:38 < chara> (i should have done that before using it as an example... sorry...)
19:41 < cgnarne> it's fine. getting httpd to work the way you want it to is very educational
19:42 < cgnarne> give it a try
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20:04 < mischief> chara: i think you could in theory use the user directive of pf rules, to simply block the connections. i doubt anyone does this, though.
20:09 < cgnarne> the question is: "what is your threat model and what are the risks you are comfortable with?"
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20:15 < cgnarne> chara: btw. good job with the diskless stuff
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21:15 < chara> cgnarne: thanks a lot. :D
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