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[~hotsoup@user/hotsoup] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:55 -!- zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.252] has joined #openbsd 02:59 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:110a:d100::1c19] has joined #openbsd 03:08 < mischief> no more openbsd shirts for me i guess. my washer/dryer ruined the 7.8 shirt, and now the 7.9. must be something in the material they use for the art... 03:08 * mischief grumble 03:09 < thrig> something something enshittification 03:19 < oldlaptop> :( 03:24 < byteskeptical> mischief: dry clean only 03:26 < oldlaptop> (you kid(?) - but wouldn't dry cleaning be really, really bad for printed garments? especially if they can't survive water) 03:27 < oldlaptop> "dry cleaning" generally involves some kind of vicious organic solvent or something, AIUI 03:27 < oldlaptop> presumably not carbon tetrachloride anymore 03:29 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31 < mischief> yea on both shirts the art bits turned sort of into a sticky mess, stuck to itself. when i pulled it apart it had peeled off bits and left holes 03:32 < oldlaptop> Maybe too much heat? 03:32 < oldlaptop> wash cold/line dry or something? 03:33 < oldlaptop> maybe theoretically spring could have some kind of customer service department to make it right 03:33 < oldlaptop> (somehow I get the nasty feeling maybe they don't) 03:34 < mischief> if i'd know then maybe, but i wash literally all of my other band/programming/funny/whatever tshirts in the same washer and dryer with no problems like this 03:34 -!- chasmo77 [~chas77@c-76-105-254-179.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 03:35 < thrig> meanwhile, something to waste CPU gemini://thrig.me/tmp/evolve.c 03:36 -!- foton [~foton@user/foton] has joined #openbsd 03:36 -!- t3ch [~m5it@vmi3205629.contaboserver.net] has joined #openbsd 03:37 -!- akinji_ [~akinji@user/akinji] has joined #openbsd 03:38 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38 < mischief> shirt in question https://i.imgur.com/EnEg3gY.jpeg 03:39 < mischief> in other news, my spacemit k3 pico-itx and after fiddling with LLMs for a bit i decided to poke the H/virtualization extensions and found several bugs, even one on the linux kvm side 03:40 < mischief> my spacemit k3 pico-itx showed up finally* 03:40 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 03:41 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has joined #openbsd 03:43 -!- dastain [~dastain@2a00:d880:6:262::45a3] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 03:50 -!- dastain [~dastain@2a00:d880:6:262::45a3] has joined #openbsd 03:50 -!- magyar [~magyar@user/magyar] has quit [Quit: Riding the split] 03:53 -!- magyar [~magyar@user/magyar] has joined #openbsd 04:10 -!- mytec333 [~bill@user/mytec333] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.9.2] 04:26 -!- unknown_ [~unknown@what.networksecurity.lol] has joined #openbsd 04:29 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:110a:d100::1c19] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:30 -!- unknown_ 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13:43 < Chip1972> gmake 13:43 < Chip1972> cc -g -Wall -MMD -MF .obj/quickjs-libc.o.d -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-format-truncation -Wno-infinite-recursion -fwrapv -D_GNU_SOURCE -DCONFIG_VERSION=\"2026-06-04\" -O2 -c -o .obj/quickjs-libc.o quickjs-libc.c 13:43 < Chip1972> warning: unknown warning option '-Wno-format-truncation' [-Wunknown-warning-option] 13:43 < Chip1972> quickjs-libc.c:830:12: error: use of undeclared identifier 'environ' 13:43 < Chip1972> envp = environ; 13:43 < Chip1972> ^ 13:44 -!- vezhlys [~vezhlys@cl-78-158-15-148.fastlink.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 13:48 < pardis> declare the identifier 'environ' 13:49 < pardis> also, see the topic regarding multi-line pastes 13:53 -!- jgh [~jgh@hellmouth.gulag.org.uk] has joined #openbsd 13:54 < Chip1972> how declare the identifier 'environ'? Makefile do not have option for obsd 13:56 < IcePic> it should have been declared by the code in quickjs-libc.c, then filled with some useful content before trying to assign envp to it 13:56 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:110a:d100::1c19] has joined #openbsd 13:57 -!- miggyb [~miggyb@user/miggyb] has quit [Quit: Going down for updates I guess :D] 13:57 -!- mover [~hischild@user/mover] has joined #openbsd 13:58 < IcePic> man 7 environ does exist though, so it should possibly be available while compiling 14:00 < f451> hi. when running snapshot, for pkg_add -u does one *always* have to use -Dsnap ? 14:00 < IcePic> f451: no 14:01 < f451> ah, cool. it wasnt clear from the faq, at least not to me 14:01 < IcePic> f451: but it doesn't hurt to always use it for snapshots 14:01 < f451> heh 14:01 < IcePic> there is a month before releases when you need it 14:01 < f451> right 14:02 < pardis> often more like a week 14:02 -!- zcram [~zcram@user/zcram] has joined #openbsd 14:02 < f451> im always on -snapshot, in this machine's context. I'll alias it 14:02 -!- miggyb [~miggyb@user/miggyb] has joined #openbsd 14:02 < k0ga> ///////win 18 14:03 < k0ga> ups 14:03 -!- miggyb [~miggyb@user/miggyb] has quit [Client Quit] 14:03 < f451> i also build from ports whats unavailable in pkg_info -Q 14:03 < Chip1972> how to do this in OpenBSD? 14:03 < Chip1972> #if defined(__APPLE__) 14:03 < Chip1972> #define environ (*_NSGetEnviron()) 14:03 -!- miggyb [~miggyb@user/miggyb] has joined #openbsd 14:08 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09 < mischief> Chip1972: extern char **environ; ? 14:11 < oldlaptop> that seems like a sketchy thing to be doing 14:11 < oldlaptop> (the __APPLE__ case, not the normal one - although shouldn't that be coming in from a header?) 14:13 < oldlaptop> (I guess if environ(7) says so...) 14:13 -!- hwpplayer1 [~hwpplayer@user/hwpplayer1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14 < sibiria> that's the correct definition to check against macOS/iOS 14:15 < oldlaptop> I mean the actual macro, not the test 14:17 < mischief> nextstep, the gift that keeps on giving 14:17 < sibiria> seems basic NextStep/darwin stuff 14:17 < oldlaptop> I was about to say I wouldn't be surprised if that was really the weird thing you're Supposed To Do on apple's strange, deranged BSD, but don't they claim, like, strict UNIX (TM) compliance? https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/basedefs/V1_chap08.html 14:18 < oldlaptop> (which is still weird - I guess there's probably some reason that's not in a header...) 14:18 < sibiria> they do. but darwin/ns isn't involved in that 14:19 < sibiria> it's a darwin/nextstep/xnu thing, not unix or posix 14:20 < sibiria> author might be coming from old background. gut feeling tells me macOS exposes the same BSD option 14:21 < sibiria> also macOS isn't BSD! small portion of the userland comes from there, that's all 14:22 < oldlaptop> BSD is the... closest comprehensible relative 14:23 -!- lvKas [~lvKas@user/lvKas] has joined #openbsd 14:26 < sibiria> "openbsd is a weird kinda linux" and "macOS is a weird kinda BSD" are pet peeves of mine 14:34 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: moonydev, rnkn, fastcall, niv, tobiasu, obcecado_, unrznbl, Saint_Tuesday, johnLate, zbcm, (+33 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Saint_Tuesday, puida, greenfork, emacsomancer, jjf, chiselfuse, unrznbl, brynet, rudi_s, DreamweaverN 14:34 -!- ikichigai [~ikichigai@5.43.228.119] has joined #openbsd 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: johnLate, mornfall, moonydev, snk, fastcall, xvilka 14:34 -!- obcecado [pcaetano@user/obcecado] has joined #openbsd 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: gcd, mw, gjn, nicodv, ramrunner, RootCellar, leah, zbcm 14:34 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: xs 14:34 -!- skrzyp [skrzyp@irc.skrzyp.net] has joined #openbsd 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pardis, koolazer, busterbcook 14:34 -!- niv [~niv@2001:470:7857:1f88::f] has joined #openbsd 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tobiasu, jds 14:34 -!- fengshaun [~fengshaun@75.159.40.9] has joined #openbsd 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: k4r 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: leonardus 14:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zyffer 14:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rnkn 14:35 -!- tux0r [~tux0r@2a03:4000:34:5e::1] has joined #openbsd 14:36 < thrig> UNIX (TM) compliance is mostly about waving enough money at the relevant compliance group 14:36 -!- dominick72_97 [d47d3c244a@user/dominick72-97:46390] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36 < sibiria> money first, implementation last 14:36 -!- lil_lasagna [~lil_lasag@139.47.19.94] has joined #openbsd 14:37 -!- dominick72_97 [d47d3c244a@user/dominick72-97:46390] has joined #openbsd 14:38 -!- mtoy [~mtoy@user/mtoy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:38 -!- shadowtux [~shadowtux@user/meow/shadowtux] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:38 < oldlaptop> you'd think they'd at least look at test suite results or something too 14:40 < sibiria> costs money. makes the book-keeping look less shiny 14:41 -!- ewig [~Ewig@user/ewig] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41 -!- fcn [~fcn@user/fcn] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:42 -!- Thorne [~thorne@user/Thorne] has joined #openbsd 14:43 -!- fcn [~fcn@user/fcn] has joined #openbsd 14:44 -!- ewig [~ewig@user/ewig] has joined #openbsd 14:45 -!- shadowtux [~shadowtux@user/meow/shadowtux] has joined #openbsd 14:48 -!- housemate [~housemate@2403-4800-940a-3401-2eee-3a55-959e-c5b7.sta.dodo.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48 -!- mtoy [~mtoy@user/mtoy] has joined #openbsd 14:51 -!- housemate [~housemate@2403-4800-940a-3401-2eee-3a55-959e-c5b7.sta.dodo.net.au] has joined #openbsd 14:53 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:07 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-82-34-145.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #openbsd 15:09 < Chip1972> how to fix this? 15:09 < Chip1972> quickjs-libc.c:2096:5: error: use of undeclared identifier 'sighandler_t' 15:09 < Chip1972> sighandler_t handler; 15:09 < Chip1972> ^ 15:16 < Chip1972> solved #if defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__FreeBSD__) || defined(__OpenBSD__) 15:16 < Chip1972> typedef sig_t sighandler_t; 15:19 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:19 < mischief> Chip1972: there is already a quickjs port, FYI. 15:22 -!- kfv [~kfv@93.118.154.176] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:43 -!- martin_ [nobody@84-52-249.57.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:46 -!- redquasar [~redquasar@117-20-68-205.751444.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: Shutting down.... Attempting shut-down... It's not.. It-it's not shutting down... It's not.. OH. MY. GOD. 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