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00:19 < Chip1972> ...
00:19 < Chip1972> why "curl 127.0.0.1/cgi/hello_module" works, firefox works, but dillo gets "500 Internal Server Error OpenBSD httpd" ?
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00:20 < mischief> Chip1972: run httpd with `httpd -dv` in a root shell and maybe it will tell you
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00:25 < mischief> sibiria: sent a mail to tech, we'll see what happens :)
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00:39 < Chip1972> ops..... just rEfresh
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03:35 < echelon> i had to change a pf rule for a syslog loghost destination, from tcp to udp, but when i did pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf and reconfig'd syslog.conf, it didn't take effect until i did pfctl -d and then pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf, why is that?
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05:21 < cgnarne>  you did disable the packet filter. i don't think anything is taking effect right now
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06:02 < mischief> echelon: check the manpage for pfctl -Fr
06:03 < mischief> generally speaking if you are going to load a new ruleset, flush the old one first
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06:10 < cgnarne> never did use -Fr when messing with pf
06:11 < dlg> ruleset swaps should be atomic
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06:15 < cgnarne> but old state entries are still staying around?
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08:17 < rkta> pkg_delete is complaining about a locked db, ps aux | grep pkg_ does not show anything, though. How do I find the process holding the lock? Where is the lock file located?
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08:42 < IcePic> rkta: perhaps ps auxwww|grep perl might work?
08:42 < IcePic> at least my futile attempts of using fstat to list the lock(s) showed it named perl in that list
08:47 < rkta> IcePic: How did you find the lock using fstat?
08:47 < IcePic> rkta: I did not, but I noticed pkg_delete (in my case) was there only listed as "perl"
08:51 < rkta> The original problem disappeared, probably a cronjob running. When I try to reproduce by running pkg_add -un, grep shows perl running pkg_add. So my grep pkg_ should have found the process. 
08:51 < IcePic> that is why I said "futile". I made a few test by having pkg_delete be ctrl-z'd and seeing if pkg_add would complain (it did) but then I still did not find the lock file (or whatever mechanism used by pkg_* tools)
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09:15 < sibiria> mischief: thanks, i'll give the patch a go after work today
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12:21 < broke> Hello, when my laptop resumes from sleep, my iwn0 awakes but doesn't address immediately, there's some kind of delay or otherwise I have to manually run dhcpleasectl iwn0 to adress immediately. How can I make dhcpleasectl address my iwn0 if immediately after resume?
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12:22 < broke> s/if/interface/
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12:26 < ssm_> dhcpleased should try to obtain a new lease immediately if the old one is invalid. how long is the delay?
12:26 < ssm_> wireless hardware could still just be booting
12:28 < ssm_> I'm on iwx(4) and it takes 10~20 seconds after resuming to regain my connection
12:30 < broke> same here, but if I resume and immediately run "doas dhcpleasectl iwn0" I regain it immediately.
12:30 < broke> so the wireless hardware seemed to have already booted.
12:31 < sibiria> that's how dhcpleased behaves
12:31 < IcePic> use ifstated(8) perhaps?
12:31 < IcePic> if it is visible that the wifi interface changed state
12:32 < sibiria> it does the same if you are already powered on and it has failed to obtain a lease for a disconnected interface (e.g. a USB-ethernet dongle) and then plug it in a moment later
12:32 < sibiria> it doesn't know about power- or device states, so you need to tell it
12:34 < sibiria> ifstated as IcePic suggests could probably solve it. next to that, you could instruct the apmd scripts to do it as routine
12:34 < sibiria> "man ampd" will describe the scripts and their entrypoints, somewhere at the bottom
12:35 < sibiria> apmd*
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12:53 < broke> thank you. as I'd previously surmised, I think having a line for leasing immediately to /etc/apm/resume should help?
12:54 < broke> I have heard of ifstated(8), which works best in cases of multiple interfaces iirc.
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13:02 < sibiria> broke: doing it in the resume script should work. perhaps fork out of there and give things a few seconds to associate with the AP first
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13:05 < sibiria> something like this should work to prevent apmd being tied-up:  sh -c 'sleep 3; dhcpleasectl <the ifname>' &
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13:21 < mischief> dlg: by that you mean you should, or should not, use -Fr? :)
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13:29 < zelest> since -f "Replace the current ruleset with the rules contained in _file_.", it should be redundant to use -Fr.
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13:37 < mischief> nice, TIL
13:39 < lts> Adding to that (for cgnarne): The old states do remain when you replace the ruleset, sometimes those need to be deleted separately
13:40 < lts> I had a wireguard connection with persistent keepalive short enough that the old state never got automatically deleted
13:40 < IcePic> the pfctl -f is atomic, so while states might remain as lts noted, the ruleset is either the old or the new, never anything in between
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13:46 < cgnarne> lts: thanks for the info. i figured as much
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13:49 < mischief> yea i probably was just cargo culting something from the past
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14:52 < lts> Yay errata
14:52 < IcePic> lots of'em
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14:58 < andrath> 4 for me on most of my boxes
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15:16 < vortexx> does errata 005/7.9 require a reboot for firewalls/routers? Doesn't look like something that affects the network stack?
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15:53 < IcePic> vortexx: no, but it still is a kernel issue, so if someone, somehow gets to run code as nobody or www or _ntpd or whatever on your fw box, they could escalate to root
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16:19 < vxla> kernel was relinked for me, but that may have been due to 7.9/007
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16:37 < Bradipo> Isn't there a page that shows supported graphics cards somewhere on openbsd.org?  I thought perhaps it would be linked from https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
16:37 < Bradipo> But don't see it.
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16:40 < IcePic> Bradipo: it is never so easy, brands change models, and chips all the time
16:40 < Bradipo> Yeah, indeed.
16:41 < Bradipo> I suppose there are always the man pages, like https://man.openbsd.org/radeon
16:42 < IcePic> I worked at a place for two years, where the CEO decided to make IT easy by only choosing one specific type of laptop (something like Dell Dimension 8800 or so). During my time there this "same" model had three different chipsets, from both ATI and Nvidia
16:42 < IcePic> it was basically "what is the cheapest crap today?" that decided which gfx went into those laptops
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16:42 < Bradipo> I recently upgraded to 7.9 on one PC and blender won't work with the video card that it has, even though it worked just fine previously.
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16:43 < Bradipo> So I'm in the market for a new video card, or I have to reinstall with an older version of OpenBSD.
16:44 < Bradipo> Intel or Radeon is better choice?
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16:47 < vortexx> IcePic: yes of course
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16:55 < IcePic> Bradipo: I like amd gfx and try to help them not lose too much against nvidia
16:55 < IcePic> intel you mostly get when you did not get a choice
16:55 < Bradipo> So GFX does alright with OpenBSD generally?
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17:00 < mischief> one of these days i will actually test openbsd on my r9700, but it did work fine on the rx 7900 xt IIRC
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17:02 < mischief> Bradipo: openbsd amdgpu is pretty much copypasted from linux, so it should enjoy quite broad support on any relatively new chipset (RDNA)
17:02 < quinq> >/9
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17:14 < mischief> damnit, my openbsd vps running a tor relay died to OOM 2 weeks ago and i didnt notice and it didn't autorestart :(
17:16 < quinq> Meaning you didn't need it
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17:17 < sibiria> only bitcoindarknethyperterrorists use Tor
17:18 < quinq> true
17:18 < sibiria> does it really eat much memory? i figured it'd just be a rather transparent relay
17:21 < mischief> quinq: i run it to donate some power to the tor network and represent openbsd in the relay list ;)
17:21 < Bradipo> Do you run it using VMM?
17:21 < mischief> it probably has a slow leak
17:21 < Bradipo> Or is it a true VPS on someone's "cloud"?
17:21 < mischief> on this vps it's on vultr, but i do also run tor on my home gateway which presents a socks proxy to my lan for occasional use and testing
17:22 < mischief> at some point i tried to get unbound pointed at it to tunnel all dns resolution, but it didn't work for reasons i forget now
17:22 < quinq> mischief :>
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17:52 < anthk_> mischief: resolv.conf priority?
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17:52 < anthk_> hi quinq 
17:52 < quinq> hi anthk_ :)
17:54 < mischief> anthk_: no, the issue was that dns did not work at all thru unbound
17:55 < sibiria> or receiving resolver on the other end didn't want to get involved with Tor traffic?
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17:59 < mischief> i never debugged it, and just went back to cloudflare + DoT as my resolver
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18:03 < sibiria> i avoid CF on principle since it's a SIGINT operation. i like the quad9 people
18:03 < sibiria> bill woodcock in particular. one of the Internet's heroes
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18:16 < mischief> i mean at least made an attempt to use tor for dns, but i gave up :-)
18:16 < mischief> maybe ill revisit it soon
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18:19 < mischief> i bought a sheet of sorbothane and i'm going to install it in my 'server' to try to stop some of the hdd vibration noises. bye for now :)
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18:20 < thrig> "the router fan was noisy so students stuck a pencil into it to stop the noise"
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19:53 < supaman> a low practical solution to an immediate problem
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22:34 < dominick72_97> sibiria: what alternatives are there for a cdn?
22:34 < mischief> dominick72_97: for openbsd mirrors?
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22:54 < tobiasu> dominick72_97: fastly
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23:07 < bea> perhaps random but does anyone know what happened to tedu?
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23:10 < mischief> bea: it's been asked a few times here since april, with no answers
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23:14 < bea> i see
23:16 < mischief> yea, his website has been offline for some time and no commits to openbsd since 1 year ago
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23:38 < Bradipo> <conspiracy>Maybe his website went offline due to this targetting: https://lobste.rs/s/y6b7an/proposal_ban_tedunangst_com </conspiracy>
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23:45 < Bradipo> That discussion is less than a month after his last commit (per openbsd-cvs).
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23:47 < martian67> entirely possible dude just unplugged
23:47 < martian67> it happens
23:47 < Bradipo> Yep.  Sabbatical.
23:47 < Bradipo> Maybe went to hike K2.
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