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00:14 < dominick72_97> tobiasu: their free tier only offers 100gb and it gets expensive after that
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00:15 < dominick72_97> mischief: no just for a website
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01:18 < mischief> dominick72_97: well, you could simply not use a cdn and serve your traffic directly from openbsd.
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06:01  * tangentnet is crippled by the loss of two OpenBSD VPS instances on Oracle cloud.
06:03 < dg> "loss"? that famously generous company stopped giving you free stuff?
06:06 < tangentnet> dg: They have shrunk it. I have another PAYG account and can still acquire 4 Ampere instances there; I'm moving the infrastructure today.
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06:09 < dg> I see, I never managed to get an ampere instance at all, probably I didn't try hard enough
06:18 < tangentnet> dg: you can convert your account to PAYG and get two always-free instances.
06:24 < lts> Or you can move to a provider with better reputation. That pretty much means any other provider will do
06:30 < lts> "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison" is a good reminder in life when thinking about using Oracle for anything
06:54 < commandk> yes i heard you can run on telegram servers for free now if your soul is not a concern
06:54 < commandk> sorry, "serverless"
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07:02 < dominick72_97> mischief: i could but wouldnt most users prefer the lower load time if theyre a continent away
07:04 < dominick72_97> i could also buy multiple servers and diy my own cdn but whats the point
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07:14 < echelon> there's no way to use a per-rule timeout override using set (timeout ...)?
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07:25 < tangentnet> lts: I tried OVH and others, but they were not as good as Oracle. Except for PTR, I believe Oracle provides a better experience.
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10:59 < sibiria> dominick72_97: a fixed mirror, i would say. such as ftp.eu.openbsd.org
10:59 < sibiria> fastly has turned out to be brokenly very oftenly
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12:32 < f451> fastly = slowly ;)
12:33 < sambala> hi :)
12:34 < morpho> hi
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12:47 < lts> Kudos for ftp.eu.openbsd.org. It had the latest errata right away but my other boxes using something else hadn't gotten them a full day later. I switched all to ftp.eu.openbsd.org.
12:49 < sibiria> and kudos to IcePic for providing the service
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13:25 < quinq> eu = bestofthebest
13:26 < lts> Maybe more mirrors should also sync directly from Canada
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15:29 < f451> i use mirrorservice.org.uk
15:29 < f451> it's huge
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15:35 < f451> lts: try the net/rate-mirrors port
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15:38 < lts> Interesting port indeed, thanks. It's not the question of bandwidth here though, my observation was about the delay of updates trickling down to mirrors
15:39 < lts> There seems to have been something wrong with the mirror some of my hosts used, it shows "8.9 days" as the mirror age https://spacehopper.org/mirmon/
15:40 < lts> Quite many mirrors show "8.9 days", I wonder why
15:42 < f451> lts: how are you determining age of the mirrors
15:43 < f451> oh!
15:43 < f451> mirmon
15:43 < f451> wonder if thats a port
15:43 < f451> it is!!!
15:49 < f451> now im going to have to script that and rate-mirrors into preiodic daily
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16:23 < mischief> i use https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/ because it's very close and high bandwidth/low latency :-)
16:24 < mischief> the closests mirror will usually be the best
16:24 < mischief> closest*
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16:28 < thrig> the mirror came out of the closet!
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16:32 < lts> I wonder what's wrong with some of the mirrors. Specifically 8.9 days on many of them
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16:46 < mischief> lts: 8.9 days ??
16:52 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260716110034 loongson dead by compiler
16:54 < lts> mischief: https://spacehopper.org/mirmon/ ctrl-f
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16:55 < echelon> are there other mips-based systems that are supported?
16:55 < mischief> wow, loongson declared dead. didn't see that coming.. i was honest surprised that it was supported by anything at all, even linux, as a rather obscure arch
16:56 < mischief> echelon: octeon (ubiquiti edgerouter) is basically mips64
16:56 < echelon> ah
16:56 < mischief> loongson is basically mips64 in a trench coat. :-)
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16:57 < echelon> apparently there's some d-link and netgear hw with octeon chips as well
16:58 < mischief> i read this a while back. features some interesting backstory, and openbsd, wrt loongarch https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2026/06/working-around-dragons-with-lemote.html
17:00 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260716115231 also 8.0 went into -beta
17:00 < oldlaptop> endianness issues killing the *little* endian version is a different one
17:01 < mischief> nice, i hope my riscv64 fixes make it to 8.0
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17:19 < echelon> i have this rule in pf.. pass in on $ext_if proto udp to port 5000 keep state (source-track rule, max-src-conn-rate 5/60, overload <bruteforce> flush global)
17:22 < echelon> basically rate-limits a connection made on udp port 5000, if if goes over 5 attempts within a 1min window, it puts the src IP in the bruteforce table
17:22 < echelon> but i can't seem to ever trigger it
17:22 < echelon> if it*
17:23 < sibiria> because it's UDP, which is stateless
17:23 < sibiria> there are no established states to track
17:23 < oldlaptop> certainly no such thing as a UDP "connection"
17:24 < echelon> i also set timeout udp.first and udp.single to 3
17:24 < echelon> i had that feeling :/
17:24 < echelon> is there another way to do what i'm trying to do?
17:25 < sibiria> if you're listening for wireguard traffic on that port, you don't really need to do anything
17:26 < sibiria> because a WG endpoint does not respond to unauthenticated packets
17:26 < sibiria> i.e. an outsider cannot suss out that there's a WG listener on this or that port
17:27 < sibiria> the packet will be processed by the wg(4) driver, but practically i will be dropped
17:27 < echelon> i'm not doing anything with wireguard, just testing it using `nc -ul 5000` to listen
17:27 < sibiria> it*
17:28 < mischief> there are udp states, but i do not think they work with source limiters. maybe dlg knows :)
17:33 < sibiria> state vs stateful connection, might be better descriptions. max-src-conn and -rate only deal with stateful TCP
17:34 < mischief> that looks right, according to pf.conf. though for udp, perhaps plain `rate` could be used?
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17:52 < echelon> mischief: let me try that, thanks!
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17:55 < seninha> RIP OpenBSD/loongson
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18:07 < echelon> mischief: eh, seems like it counts concurrent connections as the limit, not on rate just by itself
18:07 < lts> Condolences to all three users :-/
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19:03 < echelon> oh man, no wonder it wasn't working.. pf was disabled -_-
19:04 < dominick72_97> echelon: i wonder if max-pkt-rate or a source limiter would work
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19:09 < echelon> dominick72_97: good idea, let's try it
19:10 < echelon> dominick72_97: oh wait, it's global, so it doesn't discriminate between sources
19:11 < vortexx> yang3: looks like OpenBSD 8.0 won't be the platform for you
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19:11 < dominick72_97> echelon: i think you can set which rules apply it with limiter urlimiter?
19:15 < vortexx> echelon: the other day you did pfctl -d iirc whilst testing rules, you probably forgot to reenable
19:15 < echelon> lol yeah, i just kept doing pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf
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19:24 < yang3> vortexx yeah I was told the support for Loongson was dropped
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19:45 < fro> who told you
19:46 < oldlaptop> undeadly has an article linking the commit message, and it's called out on openbsd.org/loongson.html as well
19:46 < fro> yeah but who TOLD them
19:47 < fro> i'm making a dumb joke here
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19:49  * oldlaptop whoosh
19:52 < dkeav> Dave can't keep his mouth shut
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19:56 < thrig> always going on about closing the pod bay doors or something like that
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21:09 < echelon> dominick72_97: source limiter worked :)
21:09 < echelon> thanks
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21:50 < dominick72_97> im glad i was able to help!
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