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05:45 < waffles> hey so im still havbing an issue with my powermac g5
05:45 < waffles> i can boot into the openbsd installer but my drive reads as 64mb
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05:56 < waffles> or 128mb i guess, 2 partitions in auto partition
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08:51 < sambalala> hi, few years ago (befor the war) i try to offer obsd support in IL - no one order something - no incoming calls .. 1312
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08:52 < sambalala> just spam and stupid ppl., so i stop it
08:55 < morpho> wheres IL
08:55 < sibiria> perhaps openbsd isn't a fit for the middle east just yet. keep the banner up
08:55 < sibiria> .il is israel
08:55 < sibiria> ...unless he meant illinois
08:57 < vortexx> presumably Israel if it's "before the war"
08:59 < sambalala> the most ppl. in israel are using windows and iphone
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09:03 < il> why are you pinging me?
09:03 < IcePic> because you never called for support, it seems. =)
09:04 < il> I manage my own obsd systems, no support needed
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09:14 < vortexx> (irssi has a script called country.pl for getting country names from .tld, use /scriptassist to find and install it)
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09:21 < morpho> surely its easier to stay halakha with openbsd, like those dumb phones people carry around
09:22 < sambalala> il :)
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09:26 < morpho> ive been asked to teach somebody linux, it used to be you would just put ubuntu on there and start to drip feed new info to them as they needed it
09:26 < morpho> but linux has got so complex lately i dont think im able to teach it anymore
09:26 < morpho> maybe openbsd is a better path forward
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09:30 < commandk> s/ubuntu/debian/ and i think still fine to set up beginners with 
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09:33 < commandk> for the motivated i think openbsd or freebsd fine too, i guess depends on user ambition level and "techiness" 
09:33 < morpho> when your're trying to fill your kitchen crew out, i like to hire non-cooks as i can mold them to my methods
09:34 < morpho> similary, it would be great to teach somebody who had very little tech experience
09:34 < morpho> and just skip over all the 'wrong' stuff
09:35 < sibiria> rough childhood? introduce mom and dad to openbsd - send them off to hell before they pass away
09:36 < morpho> some old people are good at computers
09:37 < morpho> its weird because they can remember to code a bbc micro but cant seem to do basic stuff on android/iphones lol
09:37 < sibiria> my father was a computer programmer in the early 80s. today i need to remind him that a "zip folder" isn't a real folder. he's not demented, he just "lost" his computer savvy
09:38 < sibiria> yeah i'm paraphrasing you here, morpho 
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09:39 < morpho> hah
09:40 < commandk> i guess one nice thing with bsd is in-tree docs are more complete so while less community online material out there, can rely on drawing from manpages more which also makes things a bit more cohesive
09:42 < morpho> the man pages for C stdlib are good if you are learning C
09:51 < il> sambalala ?
09:52 < sambala> i am from il :)
09:52 < il> not true
09:52 < il> I have no offspring
09:52 < sambala> do you sell your nick?
09:52 < sambala> ;)
09:52 < il> hmmmm… no
09:52 < morpho> illonois?
09:52 < il> they're my initials
09:53 < sambala> IsraeL
09:53 < il> unix nick for my initials lol
10:00 < quinq> il bill
10:01 < il> tokyo ghoul ass
10:02 < il> quinque
10:02 < quinq> :D
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15:07 < housemate> HOW TO APPLY A KERNEL UPDATE WITHOUT REBOOT MY PC!??!!?!?
15:07 < housemate> hotsoup_: 
15:07 < housemate> or ANYBODY!?!??!
15:08 < housemate> is tis possible1//1/
15:08 < housemate> LOL 
15:09 < sibiria> you can apply it, but you can't use it without a reboot
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15:10 < housemate> oh
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15:22 < rIMpossible> housemate: a reboot is only needed, if syspatch(8) tells so. For most of the patches a reboot is not needed. Particular services - which have been patched - eventually need a reload or restart.
15:24 < rIMpossible> Same applies for base tools, if they are patched WHILE running ;)
15:26 < rIMpossible> Other topic: Where may I find informations for all the parameters in /etc/X11/xenodm/Xresources? Particular xlogin* params
15:26 < housemate> I recall there being some mANNER to apply (sorry) I took too much baclofen.
15:26 < housemate> uhh
15:27 < housemate> some manner to apply kernel updates without rebooting...
15:27 < housemate> in the ARCH LINUX manual it described it.
15:27 < housemate> hm
15:29 < rIMpossible> housemate: Arch linux <> OpenBSD ;)
15:30 < housemate> oh yes.
15:30 < housemate> thanks.
15:30 < housemate> sorry I used to use openbsd, I stil do but I used to, too.
15:30 < housemate> haha
15:30 < housemate> I wasn't paying attention and that is dangerous when you've taken too much baclofen.
15:30 < housemate> I thought that I was in #linux LOL.
15:30 < housemate> good god thank you any way... bbl.
15:31 < rIMpossible> YAW
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15:37 < mischief>  
15:37 < mischief>  
15:37 < mischief>  
15:37 < mischief>  
15:37 < mischief> oops.
15:37 < lts> Nomen est omen
15:39 < rIMpossible> Omen sine vaticinatione venit.
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15:52 < mischief> sometimes accidents happen with focus-follows-mouse tiling wm and two monitors :P
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15:59 < inz> Nom nom est om nom nom nom
16:00 < sibiria> i wish it were possible to disable sloppy focus in cwm
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16:31 < vortexx> inz: ton nom est nom nom nom? :)
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16:48 < riad> hi guys, i recently got a copy of Michaels "absolute openbsd" (2nd edition) and there is one question that arose when reading it about the IPv6 chapter:
16:48 < riad> http://uploader.sh/bmtdQ/yea.pdf
16:48 < riad> the question is: what in the hell?
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16:49 < riad> he repeatedly states the fact that IPv6 addresses are _six_ consequtive groups of 4 hex chars
16:49 < riad> __six__
16:50 < riad> i mean he does state that IPv6 addresses are 128 bits long, but then with only _six_ quartets, the math aint mathing, as the youth would say
16:50 < thrig> off by ones are traditional in computing
16:50 < riad> what do you mean
16:51 < quinq> means joking
16:51 < riad> kinda bad joke
16:52 < riad> because his following examples and explanations about subnetting are completely wrong
16:52 < riad> a newcomer without somewhat decent networking knowledge would not get the "joke"
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16:53 < quinq> I meant that thrig is making the joke, not the book author
16:53 < quinq> It's obviously wrong
16:53 < thrig> ignorance of a culture (and attitude) can sometimes be corrected
16:53 < quinq> (as in documentation bug)
16:53 < riad> im just baffled
16:54 < riad> the book was reviewed by 2, what i asume, skilled technical reviewers and this still was overlooked
16:54 < riad> s/asume/assume/
16:55 < riad> it makes me wary of what other major mistakes may linger in the other pages, which are about subjects im less profficient in
16:55 < quinq> Maybe you got the pirated version, that have been intentionally miscorrected by pirates to lure you into broken networking
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16:56 < riad> to be honest this is probably more of the truth
16:57 < riad> the book isnt available at all in europe and the seller seemed a bit shady
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16:58 < rIMpossible> sibiria: https://www.pasteboard.co/Kk4_RAVIUfQ_.png
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16:58 < pardis> that looks remarkably like not-cwm
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17:01 < thrig> more produtive might be to look for or submit errata, which would be done not here
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17:02 < rIMpossible> pardis: no it is 90th CDE *glow*
17:03 < quinq> Page 193: In the third paragraph, the address: 
17:03 < quinq> 2001:db8:a12a:bad:c0de:café  
17:03 < quinq> should now read:  
17:03 < quinq> 2001:db8:a12a:bad:c0de:cafe 
17:03 < quinq> :D
17:03 < rIMpossible> quinq: lol
17:03 < rIMpossible> some misplaced french accent
17:04 < quinq> ^^
17:08 < riad> thrig: yeah thats not a mistake, nothing about it in the errata
17:09 < riad> anyone here who has a copy of this book to check if its written correctly?
17:09 < riad> need a sanity check
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17:09 < quinq> Yeah it is a mistake
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17:10 < quinq> riad, mine isn't accessible, it's in a box in a box far away :(
17:10 < riad> quinq: i dont believe it, your previous explanation seems more plausible
17:10 < riad> aww shuks
17:11 < quinq> Sorry, but I was actually joking (maybe too many jokes here)
17:11 < rIMpossible> riad: confirmed. Bought ebook and mistake there
17:12 < pardis> I never felt the need to buy books on OpenBSD. it's not like the documentation is lacking
17:13 < riad> rIMpossible: world shatterd :(
17:13 < riad> pardis: it reads a bit nicer for someone who isnt a dev themselves
17:14 < riad> rIMpossible: is it the ..only.. mistake?
17:15 < quinq> “The IPv6 address 2001:db8::bad:c0de:cafe:80 isn’t ambiguous, but if you read it quickly, you might miss the double colon and think this is an IP address ending in 80.” huhu
17:15 < rIMpossible> I read the book only on topics, where I was not in the topic. So I did not read it complete
17:15 < riad> i see
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17:18 < rIMpossible> Where may I find informations for all the 
17:18 < rIMpossible>                      parameters in /etc/X11/xenodm/Xresources? Particular 
17:18 < rIMpossible>                      xlogin* params
17:18 < rIMpossible> Sorry for multiline :(
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17:46 < dominick72_97> you might need to read the source
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19:04 < Posterdati> hi
19:04 < Posterdati> please help
19:04 < Posterdati> I applied the last syspatch, but I've got this error: make: don't know how to make newbsd
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19:15 < Posterdati> ?
19:15 < Posterdati> no idea?
19:16 < sibiria> wild guess: you deleted stuff from /usr/share/relink to regain space on /usr?
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19:17 < Posterdati> sibiria: I did so, I confess!
19:17 < sibiria> thusly you cannot relink the kernel
19:18 < Posterdati> is it fixable?
19:18 < sibiria> yes you can get the object files from the FTPs. i just forget which package they're in
19:19 < Posterdati> I recompiling the GENERIC.MP kernel
19:19 < Posterdati> may I use those obj?
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19:19 < pardis> fetching the object files from a mirror is not quite a fix, because the ones in the set (base, I think) will not have syspatches applied
19:20 < Posterdati> ok
19:20 < pardis> if you have built your own kernel *and* it is up-to-date with syspatches, those object files would *probably* work
19:20 < Posterdati> but kernel sources are?
19:20 < pardis> depends on where you got your kernel sources
19:21 < pardis> if you built from the appropriate cvs branch and you made sure it was up-to-date, then yes
19:21 < Posterdati> now it is compiling the GENERIC.MP
19:21 < sibiria> you can remove the relevant syspatches from /var/syspatch and then patch anew
19:21 < sibiria> it's messy but doable
19:22 < sibiria> ultimately you should make a new installation with ample space on /usr
19:22 < sibiria> this problem is gonna come back at a later time
19:22 < Posterdati> I followed the default space allocation
19:22 < Posterdati> as suggested several times :)
19:22 < sibiria> yes it's crap
19:22 < sibiria> needs manual care
19:22 < Posterdati> ok
19:23 < Posterdati> I had that feeling
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19:37 < Posterdati> kernel compiled, where I can find the .o files?
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19:41 < sibiria> in obj/
19:41 < Posterdati> copied into relink/GENERIC.MP/
19:42 < Posterdati> but still cannot relink mmmh
19:42 < sibiria> needs one or two extras in there
19:43 < Posterdati> I issued 'make newbsd' there
19:43 < sibiria> iirc they're in baseXX.tgz
19:43 < sibiria> or maybe also in obj/
19:44 < Posterdati> it seems it created newbsd and then moved into bsd, but where?
19:45 < Posterdati> the /bsd is dated some months ago
19:45 < sibiria> need to "install" also. but you can just run /usr/libexec/reorder_kernel
19:45 < Posterdati> this scrip fails
19:46 < Posterdati> make install worked
19:46 < Posterdati> ok, updated
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19:47 < Posterdati> let's cross the fingers and reboot
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20:44 < Posterdati> hi
20:44 < Posterdati> ok, the recompiled kernel didn't work
20:44 < Posterdati> I had to upgrade from install79.img
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20:45 < Posterdati> now the relinking cannot be performed due to space
20:49 < ssm_> my /usr/share/relink was moved to a separate partition
20:49 < Posterdati> ah
20:49 < ssm_> as in I moved it. syspatch doesn't like this, so I have to patch syspatch too
20:50 < Posterdati> strange, if you write a correct fstab it should work
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20:56 < ssm_> disk.part /usr/share/relink ffs rw,noatime,nodev,nosuid 1 2
20:56 < Posterdati> mmmh
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20:56 < ssm_> maybe could have noexec too but haven't tried
21:00 < martian67> Quinq huh? It is an ipv6 address ending in 80
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21:00 < martian67> Although I will agree it's not ambigious :)
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21:06 < quinq> Yes I was pointing out both those things
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21:07 < Posterdati> seems that Makefile is missing in /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.MP/
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21:13 < Posterdati> :(
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21:15 < sibiria> get everything from the package
21:15 < sibiria> should be baseXX.tgz
21:15 < Posterdati> ok
21:15 < pardis> s/package/set/
21:15 < pardis> should really have /g by now, too
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21:19 < Posterdati> sibiria: should I replace the actual /usr/share/relink with the one in base79.tgz?
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21:20 < sibiria> that will require you reapply syspatches. i think i'd start with just getting the few files you're missing
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21:43 < Posterdati> damn! Disk full :(
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21:51 < Posterdati> ok
21:51 < Posterdati> solved
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21:56 < Posterdati> fixed!
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21:57 < Posterdati> I placed /usr/share/relink in a larger partition
21:57 < Posterdati> then ls -s /home/relink /usr/share/relink
21:57 < Posterdati> syspatch -R
21:57 < Posterdati> syspatch
21:57 < Posterdati> reboot
21:59 < Posterdati> sorry
21:59 < Posterdati> ln -s /home/relink /usr/share/relink
21:59 < pardis> that might cause problems on sysupgrade, I'm not sure
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22:27 < riad> quinq: the ":80" is meant to be a port number...
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22:31 < thrig> [::42]:80
22:31 < riad> and bc the consens in the book is a max of 6 hextets, the example IP would be ambiguous, as when the port number :80 is included, theres a total of 7 (or more dresses)
22:31 < riad> thats why it is states that even though it might seem like it at first, the address is not ambiguous
22:32 < riad> thrig: yes
22:33 < riad> the paragraph quinq was reffering to is explaining the concept of using square brackets
22:33 < riad> you can read the page in the link i posted above
22:35 < thrig> or you could throw strings at programs that accept IP addresses and see a range of outcomes (linux is quite lax about what it accepts)
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22:42 < oldlaptop> if you thought THAT was fun, try adding UR[LI] processing to the mix
22:43 < thrig> pretty sure linux got a CVE for being lax about 127.1 being valid or something along those lines
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22:52 < mischief> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5952#section-6
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23:13 < ninjin> Is there any sensible way to interact with Signal while on OpenBSD? gurk-rs seems to have been borked for months and running a VM with Debian is hardly elegant.
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23:15 < ninjin> Just realised that with Debian you would be emulating a computer, to be running an OS, to run a web browser, to run an application. We truly have come full circle.
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23:16 < thrig> the gods must be crazy
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23:30 < mischief> use jabber? :)
23:36 < ninjin> Hehehe, main issue is to move wife and family to it. ;) As it stands, I fear that it is not the gods, but we that are crazy and that the sensible solution may be a tiny Bluetooth keyboard for my phone.
23:38 < ninjin> It is looking like I may be able to migrate completely to OpenBSD fairly soon. The remaining issues are rather few for my use cases.
23:39 < ninjin> USB audio is at least passable these days. I think I can still hear tiny chops at times with my Yamaha AG06. But it is not like it was a few releases ago.
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23:41 < ninjin> I have some oddities with audio capture for my ffmpeg streaming script. But I can likely nail that bug. Again there, compared to previous releases I am now able to get at least 30fps 1440p capture to 1080p streaming going just fine.
23:42 < ninjin> Other than that... I still lose the USB keyboard at times and need to plug it out and back in. Annoying, but I usually fix that on other boxes by not plugging the keyboard into a USB hub. My main desktop has too many USB hubs and devices plugged in and I will need to rationalise that anyway.
23:43 < thrig> I lose the USB mouse on what passes for Mac OS X these day and need to plug it out and back in
23:44 < ninjin> Their USB subsystem is that bad? Shame, I have always had a lot of respect for the tiny team that is behind OS X.
23:45 < ninjin> Kiryll (?) has done a lot of good work on the USB video side over the last year or two for OpenBSD. Pretty much every device I have now works as it should.
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23:47 < ninjin> Oh, yes, forgot to tell here and this is months ago now. But that exploit I found in httpd(8) got patched back in February (?). Thanks for the support back then. stsp@ hooked me up with the right people in the end.
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