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00:33 < vortexx> commandk: since we still have you in here, care to tell us how you ended up with such a small / ? You don't need to install all firmware, fw_update can detect what you have and install it. It normally runs on first boot anyway and succeeds, unless wifi card is the only uplink and doesn't already have firmware via a modified bsd.rd
00:33 < vortexx> the use case for downloading all firmware is when testing many different devices on a single computer, probably a laptop
00:33 < vortexx> not a headless server
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01:51 < commandk> vortexx i think the small / is just a result of the root block device beaing a measly 16GB, size of which which is prob not accounted for much these days. had to disable the X packages to make installation fit in first place
01:53 < commandk> im still learning openbsd basics. not sure if its reasonable that there is empty /usr/obj partition taking up 50% of the drive
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01:55 < vortexx> you can definitely do away with /usr/obj and /usr/src partitions with that drive space
01:55 < vortexx> 1024Mb for / is safe
01:56 < commandk> and yeah, i misinterpreted "all drivers" (there is) as "all drivers" (for my device) :)
01:56 < vortexx> np
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01:57 < vortexx> with smaller (I'd say 16Gb and under) you probably need custom layout ( / /usr /usr/X11R6 /usr/local /var /tmp /home )
01:57 < commandk> i guess i dont really need separate /usr/obj at all and can let that free split up by / /usr and /var if i ever get around to repartition 
01:57 < vortexx> it's not a good idea to not install all sets ( x11 stuff takes up <512Mb) because packages need fontconfig and stuff
01:58 < commandk> 512 mb is a loooot in this context! and no need for fontconfig and stuff either
01:58 < vortexx> having to repartition after your initial install is totally normal when learning OpenBSD
01:58 < vortexx> the last time the devs made us all use /usr/obj was the introduction of sysupgrade
01:59 < vortexx> fontconfig is needed for web stuff, more often that not
01:59 < commandk> web schmeb ;)
01:59 < vortexx> also you'll run into problems with sysupgrade, which assumes all sets are installed
01:59 < vortexx> and *will* install them all for you at upgrade
01:59 < commandk> the last one sounds surprising, especially when guided installation gives option to just skip x?
02:00 < vortexx> it doesn't, it lets you choose sets
02:00 < vortexx> you can choose to disable X
02:00 < commandk> right
02:00 < commandk> so i chose no X11
02:01 < commandk> and i hope i can sysupgrade without pulling it in because that wont fit on the fs im afraid
02:01 < vortexx> the supported config is all sets installed, otherwise you end up in edgecases the devs don't test. It's usually not worth the bother, maintenance-wise
02:01 < vortexx> it may just be easier to redo your disk config
02:01 < vortexx> I run my router on 16Gb
02:01 < commandk> i can get that in general but surely headless openbsd without x is like, not really egecas ein practice?
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02:02 < vortexx> I actually don't have a /home partition because I need that one for /var/www/cache for nging
02:02 < vortexx> I tell sysupgrade to stick the sets in there for the upgrade
02:03 < commandk> i guess before next sysupgrade i should at least figure out how to opt out from the x sets
02:03 < vortexx> it's treated as edgecase, as in sysupgrade doesn't cover that
02:03 < vortexx> 512Mb of unused files won't kill your setup
02:03 < vortexx> you have to be below 4Gb for that
02:04 < commandk> for now im learning that socat behaves quite differently than on linux. resorting to replicating the socat setup i had there instead of figuring out pf nat6
02:04 < commandk> well, my /usr only has 200Mb free so...
02:04 < vortexx> comes to the worst, just delete /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri* after install and after upgrde
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02:05 < vortexx> a) /usr/X11R6 is meant to be a separate partition 
02:05 < vortexx> b) /usr needs to be big enough for kernel and various other things relink
02:06 < vortexx> 2.5Gb is the current recommend, 3Gb is future proofing
02:06 < vortexx> also keep /usr/local separate as that has separate permissions (wxallowed)
02:07 < commandk> i think i already overrode installation partitioning by removing separate /usr/X11R6 in order to at least make system installable and bring the size of /usr up to its current 1.7Gb
02:08 < commandk> without doing that it failed with full disk partway towards the end
02:09 < vortexx> try redoing with / /tmp /var /usr /usr/X11R6 /usr/local /home
02:09 < vortexx> you'll be more comfortable
02:09 < commandk> i wish i had that knowledge when i installed! cant afford the time for a full reinstall atm
02:10 < commandk> i guess more reasonable to try get a 32GB drive by 8.0
02:10 < vortexx> pkg_info -mz >pkglist and quick backup of /etc /root /home and /var/log 
02:11 < vortexx> then reinstall
02:11 < vortexx> then restore files, pkg_add -l pkglist
02:12 < vortexx> openbsd is MUCH faster to set back up than linux
02:12 < commandk> appreciate the pointers but thats not happening, gotta work with what we have on this one for time being
02:12 < vortexx> I understand, work constraints can be severe
02:13 < commandk> i did reinstall and repartition a handful of times already, just gott move on at some point 
02:13 < commandk> otherwise ill be repartitioning til i die
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02:14 < vortexx> well you've tied yourself accidentaly in knots that will be a problem when moving to 8.0
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02:15 < vortexx> (and the devs don't want to hear about people not installing the x* sets, Theo has stated multiple times that this will end up with one big set we will all have to deal with)
02:15 < vortexx> schedule a reinstall if you can
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02:16 < vortexx> (and test in a VM at home if you can)
02:17 < commandk> im trying not to point fingers too much myself here but if this is indeed considered a broken setup then from my perspective the installer tied this knot with preparing a non-functional system (undersized partitions) together with presenting the optional sets as an option
02:19 < vortexx> the installler need updating on that, but this is considered a research project, thus the /usr/obj and /usr/Src
02:20 < vortexx> the good thing about the layout is they are at the end of the disk, thus can be deleted, and the previous to that partition can be resized to use that space (that should be /home)
02:20 < vortexx> or new partitions can be added there
02:20 < commandk> yeah, i dont think "you tied yourself in a knot" is constructive direction here. its not reasonable that we should know to know that much better than installer when starting out
02:21 < vortexx> (a "this is not a dev machine" option for disk layout would be good)
02:21 < commandk> hmm no in my case they ended up in middle/beginning actually, which also made the repartitioning a bit more demanding
02:22 < commandk> using fde maybe makes a difference
02:22 < vortexx> it's constructive in that I'm indicating that starting over is just easier, if you have the time. If you don't then it doesn't help
02:25 < vortexx> ( /usr/obj is sd2k and /usr/src is s2j on my -current VM with totally default layout but that's not on 16Gb)
02:25 < vortexx> (and that's with fde)
02:25 < vortexx> (which puts them at the end of the disk)
02:26 < vortexx> anyway, Metokur has finished his stream, I'm off to bed. I'm sure others will chime in on this
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02:27 < commandk> ah i mean the undersized / is still first which means we have to delete all the other provided partitions anyway
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02:34 < commandk> if we can actually remove /usr/obj as separate partition alltogether in a future reinstall that could make things more breathable - reading up on it it still seems important for whenever we need rebuild, though? id still like to figure out why it has entire 50% allocated. iirc i got the advise to put /usr at minimum 2.0GB which seemed to barely
02:34 < commandk> squeeze in. not sure how much we should expect to require under merged /usr.
02:34 < commandk>  anyway got priorities in actually using this device and moving setup forward so time needs to be more spent on learning pf and figuring out socat rn. 
02:36 < commandk> if you saw the wip rules file i posted earlier maybe you would agree 😅 
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02:48 < commandk> this was a nice writeup on socat i found now and wish i had seen much earlier https://jdimpson.livejournal.com/6812.html
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04:39 < mischief> you can just run single / partition
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07:13 < dettus> Hello everyone. 
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07:14 < dettus> Not sure if this is the right channel to ask... Are there people in this channel who can test ( or even OK ) the FPGA-related ports I sent over the mailing list? 
07:16 < dettus> It would be wonderful if they could become part of the official ports tree. 
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07:20 < cgnarne> nice work! i'll see if i can try nextpnr later
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07:25 < dettus> Cool! Thank you!!
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12:21 < lts> WPA3 getting closer https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260719093851
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13:03 < r00t-0day> hi all
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18:58 < deini> Hello. I was wondering if there is something wrong with openbsd.org at the moment? I am trying to download install79.img and it is taking well over an hour. I have no issues with my network.
18:58 < sibiria> download from another mirror
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19:00 < h3artbl33d> Yeah, download from another mirror, one more closely to you. If you seek -stable, the mirror doesn't really matter. But if you need the most fresh snapshot for testing purposes: https://spacehopper.org/mirmon/
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19:01 < renaud> always download from a mirror, it's preferred, don't use the main site
19:02 < deini> Thanks. Found better mirror and it took under 1 minute. It's just strange because I have always just used link form openbsd.org/downloads and it was always very fast
19:02 < deini> **https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Download
19:03 < mischief> i just made my own mirror over the weekend
19:03 < mischief> now it's veeery fast for me ;)
19:05 < vortexx> mischief: using nginx, apache or httpd?
19:07 < mischief> just nginx on my linux host for now, because i was too lazy to attach the lvm volume to my openbsd vm. wouldn't be that big of a lift to move it though
19:07 < mischief> https://mirror.offblast.org/pub/OpenBSD/
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19:15 < vortexx> mine's on nginx as well on an OpenBSD vm on the homelab server
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23:42 < dg> there's definitely something up with fastly, I just changed over to cloudflare.cdn.openbsd.org and it's behaving better, particularly snapshots which are less likely to be cached
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23:51 < WhyNotHugo> Trying to debug a binary, even something trivial liek `gdb whoami` always fails with: Dwarf Error: wrong version in compilation unit header (is 4, should be 2) [in module /usr/libexec/ld.so]
23:51 < WhyNotHugo> Should I be using something different?
23:54 < fro> i was having trouble with cloudflare recently too
23:54 < fro> all the CDNs really
23:55 < fro> super slow for me for like a week+
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23:55 < fro> WhyNotHugo: probably gonna need more info than this
23:56 < pardis> gdb in base is ancient, try egdb from packages
23:56 < WhyNotHugo> Use `gdb whoami`, then `run`, and it shows this error. It happens for any binary, and when trying to debug one that segfaults, no useful information is given.
23:57 < WhyNotHugo> pkg_info -Q egdb -> no results
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23:57 < pardis> the package is named gdb, it provides the egdb binary
23:58 < WhyNotHugo> Thanks, tha one works
23:58 < fro> what platform is this on
23:59 < fro> i don't even have gdb in base here
23:59 < WhyNotHugo> amd64
23:59 < WhyNotHugo> I only installed this box this year, so it can't be some ancient leftover from many releases ago
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