--- Log opened Tue Jul 21 00:00:46 2026
00:05 < commandk> im bridging ipv4-only internal networks over ipv6-only wan with wireguard and getting "port forwarding" working was a struggle initially. it looks to me like nat46 udp with pf should be able to do it using af-to/rdr-to but so far wasnt able to coax out right rules. socat was working for this on linux but got poor results with that approach on
00:05 < commandk> openbsd (either dropped packets or excessive resource use).  
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00:05 < commandk> was just about to give up and resort to nginx or sth when i found this gem https://codeberg.org/scip/udpxd
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00:07 < commandk> took some minor patching to compile but so far results are very good. though i'd share in case it's relevant for anyone else having a hassle with udp proxying/forwarding
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00:24 < sibiria> commandk: maybe your setup isn't obvious to me, but generally there's no "kludge" between the internal (vpn) and the external (bridge) networks with vireguard. i.e. the vpn can be ipv4-only or ipv6-only, or both, and it won't matter in regards to what family the wireguard tunnel endpoints use
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00:25 < sibiria> no need to do any 4-to-6 etc. just because the endpoints and the vpn are of different families
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00:33 < commandk> sibiria i guess missing piece is that the wiregurd endpoints themselvse are dual-stack (ipv4 internal-facing, ipv6 external-facing)
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00:34 < commandk> and "client" is connecting directly from internal, no wg bridge at the edge
00:35 < commandk> wg keys*
00:35 < commandk> so one wg endpoint v6 only and one v4 only with no wg peer in the middle
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00:41 < commandk> so this scenario: ipv4-only-wg-peer <v4-lan> openbsd-without-wg <v6-wan> ipv6-only-wg-peer
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00:43 < sibiria> i suppose the actual complex part is the long chain
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00:43 < sibiria> there's no complexity in itself to tuck a v4-only VPN inside a v6-only WG tunnel
00:55 < commandk> thats just one intermediary step tho
00:55 < commandk> and yeah the in-tunnel traffic wasnt an issue, its hooking the endpoints up reliably
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00:59 < commandk> i guess the more common solution  in such scenario would be to put a wg keypair at the middlebox and let that be a relaying peer. but sometimes thats either not an option or undesirable (introduces point of trust and an additional endpoint to manage if other peers come and go). fortunately udpxd saved the day ^^ 
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05:57 < dettus> Good morning everyone!
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05:59 < dettus> So... I still need some help... I am looking for someone who has a little bit of time on their hands and could check out the FPGA-related ports I send over the mailing list a couple of days ago.
05:59 < dettus> (and maybe even OK them).
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06:00 < dettus> Right now, it would be wonderful if someone could just try to compile them, maybe run some checks I have not though about, and get back to me. (preferably via email, IRC does not seem to be that stable on my machine...)
06:01 < dettus> In total there are four ports: Three new ones and an update. (after 5 years)
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07:11 < chara> hi?
07:11 < chara> hi!
07:11 < chara> say i want to work on a port that adds an user, how do i reserve that uid while it's wip?
07:11 < chara> also, what do we do when we run out of users?
07:12 < chara> there are about 150 left
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07:17 < byteskeptical> chara: /usr/ports/infrastructure/db/user.list you can't 'reserve' it without submitting it, but it's easily updated if need be
07:17 < chara> thanks.
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07:18 < chara> im working on a port for galene and ubridge in case anyone too is working on that.
07:19 < byteskeptical> nice gl
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07:47 < chara> also, should i name those like:
07:47 < chara> py3-xkcd-pass, go-galene and p5-public-inbox or get rid of prefix?
07:49 < chara> well, xkcd-pass and public-inbox are both lib and bin
07:51 < rIMpossible> G'morning :)
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10:06 < dettus> cd
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10:50 < vortexx> chara: yes you should keep the prefixes
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11:39 < chara> thanks
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12:58 < vortexx> dettus: I'll try and build them later today, don't have any fpga hw (and wouldn't know how to use it)
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15:13 < lts> Heh, finally. "OpenBSD relayd(8) adds ECDSA support" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260721124747
15:13 < vortexx> is ECDSA still relevant?
15:15 < lts> Sure, way faster than RSA
15:15 < sibiria> depends on where and what curve
15:15 < sibiria> imo completely irrelevant in ssh these days
15:15 < sibiria> p-256 discouraged everywhere no matter what application
15:16 < sibiria> p-384 often used with dnssec, also becoming more common for https
15:19 < sibiria> lts: yeah, depending on what size EC and what size RSA, and what side you're on :)
15:20 < sibiria> RSA is slow-ish to sign, incredibly fast to verify (faster than practically any EC)
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15:48 < paulgupta> Is there an "official" openbsd support channel?
15:49 < phy1729> The mailing lists
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16:04 < vortexx> dettus: nextpnr won't build, ninja is giving me a memory error (had to bump the ram in the VM from 4 to 16G for it to build because it was maxing out the swap). Moving onto yosys
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16:07 < vortexx> yosys is asking for a file to patch when I run make -j3 in /usr/ports/cad/yosys, which means it's not ready to go
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16:15 < vortexx> dettus: openfpgaloader & prjpeppercorn build and I can install them as packages
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16:22 < seninha> Hi, anyone using OpenBSD on an old thinkpad can share your xorg.conf? I want to check how others set up their trackpoint and touchpads.
16:24 < seninha> Here wsconsctl lists three mouse devices: the touchpad, the trackpoint and the plugged in usb mouse. But xorg considers both the trackpoint and the usb mouse as the same device; and i want to configure them differently.
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16:25 < seninha> Like speed (wsconsctl has this mouse.scaling property, but that's integer scaling; the poiter "warps" a few pixels and does not move smoothly when setting it) and scroll wheel emulation.
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16:26 < oldlaptop> I just want scroll wheel emulation, and don't care if an external mouse also does it (though I do have one mouse I don't happen to use with thinkpads that I'd want a different button for...)
16:27 < oldlaptop> it *would* be really nice if the trackpoint's actual sensitivity setting could be changed
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16:28 < oldlaptop> (at the level of its own firmware - e.g. linux has sysfs knobs for it, next to the ones for press-to-select etc.)
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16:29 < oldlaptop> that would need to involve special support in pms(4)
16:29 < oldlaptop> (AIUI)
16:29 < oldlaptop> or who knows what for "modern" usb or i2c stuff
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16:40 < seninha> oldlaptop, yeah, wheel emulation is the lesser of the issues (and i kinda get used to scroll with the usb mouse by pressing the middle button and moving the mouse around), but the scaling is an issue.
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16:42 < seninha> Also Chromium, as a smart program that knows user interaction and usecase better than me, disables scrolling on trackpoint (because nobody uses it to scroll, why not disable it?) and now i cannot scroll with the mouse (because my X blends the mouse with the trackpoint).
16:43 < seninha> s/knows user interaction and usecase/knows my interaction and usecase/
16:44 < seninha> I can scroll on firefox, but it has its own set of misfeatures while trying to be Smart™: stealling focus when opening on a different workspace is the most annoying one.
16:46 < oldlaptop> I don't see that behavior from chromium (and I'm not sure how it could even do that)
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16:47 < seninha> weird. It does not scroll through the trackpoint on both my thinkpads, even on a fresh install.
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16:51 < seninha> (fresh install and pkg_add -u ungoogled-chromium)
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17:06 < c0co> exit
17:06 < c0co> through the gift shop
17:06 < c0co> enter
17:06 < c0co> through my heart
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17:07 < thrig> flawless victory. divison by zero wins
17:08 < lts> Almost made sense too
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17:11 < c0co> sometimes you forget what client you're on and accidentally post "exit" into the chat and have to style it out with some ass poetry. Ok.
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17:19 < seninha> as if nobody has dropped a random "ls" or ":wq" on a irc window
17:21 < seninha> which is kinda a bad behavior and one of the reasons i want to drop vim in favor of a less modal editor
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17:22 < seninha> Every now and then i see some :w file, or a :w in the end of a commit message...
17:23 < lts> Those experiences also teach you to sanitize all copy and highlight-copy buffers after use
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17:23 < quinq> Instead of simply :x
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17:34 < mischief> i'm a fan of `ZZ` 
17:35 < vortexx> so am I
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17:53 < thrig> gemini://thrig.me/blog/2022/11/26/vi-exit-strategies.gmi
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18:19 < quinq> curl: (1) Protocol "gemini" not supported
18:19 < pardis> why am I not surprised that curl doesn't know the difference between a protocol and a scheme?
18:21 < quinq> Because it's the same in most cases
18:23 < pardis> it's not even the same in the most common case (the https scheme corresponds to several alternative protocols)
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18:27 < cgnarne> yes, and that could be considered a bug, not a feature
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18:28 < quinq> ^^
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18:38 < quinq> ftp: gemini: no address associated with name
18:38 < quinq> ftp: Can't connect or login to host `gemini'
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19:12 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=178429503056126&w=2 <-- could someone else please try and compile this port? I get out of memory from ninja
19:12 < vortexx> you'll need this port first: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=178429440155571&w=2
19:13 < vortexx> (and yes I boosted pbuild defaults in /etc/login.conf)
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21:13 < unpx> I heard one can update once a year if one wants... so what is better? The odd or the even versions? Or is this a myth?
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21:15 < mischief> unpx: nobody will stop you from updating whenever you wish to, but that is totally made up.
21:23 < thrig> openbsd releases tend to be pretty similar
21:26 < oldlaptop> It's *not* supported to skip releases - i.e. if you do for some reason decide to update once a year, you still should either upgrade through the version you skipped or reinstall.
21:27 < oldlaptop> I'm not aware of any systematic difference between "odd" and "even" releases other than the time of year.
21:28 < oldlaptop> nor does, say, "5.9" to "6.0" have any formal significance that 5.8 to 5.9 or 6.0 to 6.1 didn't
21:28 < oldlaptop> (by happenstance I don't think either of those had nearly as much practical significance as 5.4 to 5.5)
21:28 < thrig> 7.9 6.19 5.29 4.39 3.49 2.59 1.69
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21:29 < thrig> sometimes you get flag releases like when the epoch went 64-bit
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21:35 < oldlaptop> https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#55
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21:37 < fro> 6.1 introduced arm64 support
21:37 < fro> p big deal but again don't skip releases
21:37 < fro> :D
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21:50 < vortexx> ok managed to build nextpnr after being reminded to build as _pbuild. Really need to setup a proot for dpb so it can handle all that.
21:51 < vortexx> I've emailed dettus about it and the other ports and emailed ports@'s various emails from him about each port to confirm they build and package
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22:27 < vortexx> proot setup 
22:28 < vortexx> s/setup/set up
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22:43  * quinq ouvre une fenêtre
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22:53 < vortexx> blame espie@ for that command name
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