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01:46 < seninha> I solved (not elegantly) that problem on two wsmouse devices (trackpoint and usb mouse) being presented as a single device for X, making it impossible to configure each individually: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=178475815752156&w=2
01:47 < seninha> Basically: specify each input device as if you were using X on the 90s
01:47 < seninha> (i reported this issue here yesterday, iirc)
01:47 < seninha> Anyway, am still open to suggestions for a more elegant solution. But for now, this just works.
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05:03 < dominick72_97> vortexx: i remember reading a blog post about it
05:03 < dominick72_97> i think it had to do with arp storms?
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05:11 < dominick72_97> yea i found it https://labs.ripe.net/author/remco-van-mook/a-farewell-to-arps-ipv4-service-on-ipv6-only-networks/
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09:58 < moviuro> Hi all, looking into this rc(8) script: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/sysutils/unbound_exporter/pkg/unbound_exporter.rc is there any way to append/prepend a flag to it? My current (working) rc.conf.local line includes everything at L4 + what I want to add (unbound_exporter_flags='-unbound.ca "" ... -web.listen-address="[...]:9167"'). How could I get away with
09:58 < moviuro> `magic_string="-web.listen-address=..."` (only) in rc.conf.local?
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10:38 < dennis> You want unbound_exporter_flags from rc.conf.local to be *added* to the default daemon_flags in unbound_exporter.rc, moviuro?
10:38 < dennis> That's just not how things work
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11:00 < vortexx> seninha: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "genric-mouse" <-- small typo there. Otherwise it looks like a decent solution, yes most people aren't used to configuring xorg.conf anymore but it works
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11:25 < seninha> vortexx, thanks!
11:27 < seninha> I've always had this issue on my old thinkpads, even on a new installation.  I asked other people on thinkpads and they have not that issue. Maybe they have not tried an USB mouse, or they use newer thinkpads where the trackpoint and touchpad are not PS/2 devices.
11:30 < seninha> Anyway, now that i can configure the trackpoint speed independently from mouse speed. How people here using thinkpads configure it? There are lots of knobs on xorg.conf(5) and xinput(1) for it (adaptive deceleration factor, constant deceleration factor, acceleration profile, etc). I have trying lots of combinations, but am still not satisfacted.
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12:41 < riad> hi, some while ago people in here recommended me to get a CCNA to get an general understanding about networking
12:42 < riad> as i came in here asking how to learn the basics to get comfortable with PF
12:42 < IcePic> networking is quite a large weird field nowadays
12:43 < riad> today i passed the exam and can proudly say i dint learn much of anything about firewalls xD
12:43 < IcePic> as you said, if you are not good at networking, then filtering will be harder to make work or even make secure, but many courses are very vendor specific for $reasons, so while you do learn a lot of networking, its mostly aimed at how this vendor wants it
12:44 < riad> yes exactly
12:44 < zelest> "networking" is kinda broad depending on how you define it
12:45 < riad> its a decent introduction to the basics (depending on the course ofc), but it quickly gets focused on enterprise networking day-to-day tasks
12:45 < il> I have a question for people wiser than me: I currently use the soju bouncer for IRC. It needs a TLS certificate, which I'm obtaining using acme-client and httpd, with a DNS challenge (I think). If I wanted to use caddy for serving a website, could I also use caddy for obtaining a TLS cert for soju?
12:45 < IcePic> il: I think so yes.
12:46 < il> I'm not sure if using caddy everywhere would be simpler than just using acme-client and httpd everywhere (for both sites and soju). I know for sure that use acme-client for soju, but caddy for https would not be the simplest.
12:47 < IcePic> caddy is awesome for automating renewals, simple reverseproxy and so on. Still, you need to reload/restart the bouncer when the certs renew
12:48 < il> Yeah, I have a complete setup with acme-client, with a script that's run with cron
12:49 < il> Considering I'm only hosting static pages, I'll probably just set up the https site with httpd and acme-client as well. I will look into caddy TLS cert obtaining without hosting, though, just to familiarize myself with options.
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17:26 < broke> Hello, sorry I do not mean to be rude when I ask this, could someone explain in brief why ffs has been the default until now? and is there movement to change the file system or keep it and each of the reason either in brief or in articles that you can link. Thanks!
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17:28 < vortexx> 1) we have had FFSv2 for close to a decade 2) licensing 3) it just works, and is often more reliable than even some journaled fs 4) there are third party efforts to try and bring HAMMERFS over how likely this is to ever make it into the tree after all these years, I don't know. Probably won't happen
17:29 < cjs> broke: see MWL's new book *OpenBSD Filesystems* for more about flexibility in working with FFSv2
17:29 < cjs> It is not as elegantly modern as other solutions on other Unix-like OSes, but there are nevertheless an entire book's worth of options for working with it
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17:32 < sibiria> not enough manpower to get a modern alternative running, is also high up on the list
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17:36 < thrig> 5) the complexity (licensing aside) of putting something like ZFS into the kernel and considering the lack of resources
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17:45 < morpho> FFS2 is good
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17:45 < morpho> ive experienced bugs in XFS, Btrsfs and Ext over time. But FFS2 and FreeBSD ZFS are rock solid
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17:46 < morpho> i wish the transfer speeds were a bit faster
17:47 < morpho> isnt that something to do with the fact openbsd treats file writes as synchronous operations, im not clued in
17:47 < sibiria> it's part of it. but it's also inherently slow and no one ever had time to rework it
17:48 < morpho> isnt the 'virtual file system' being actively worked on
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17:49 < cgnarne> work on the vfs layer is slow but steady
17:49 < morpho> what is a vfs
17:49 < morpho> im guessing it allows you to do fs things in userspace
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17:50 < cgnarne> that's fuse
17:50 < mischief> speaking of vfs, nobody replied to any of my patches to tech, including the one to fix machines with no swap :c
17:51 < cgnarne> morpho: https://man.openbsd.org/vfs.9
17:52 < morpho> does FFS2 go through the vfs then?
17:53 < cgnarne> read the man page maybe?
17:54 < morpho> i am just trying to put it together
17:54 < sibiria> mischief: i was about to test your patch (even built the kernel on my zero 3e with only 2GB RAM) but before i got to test it i noticed that in 7.9, with the recent u-boot updates, i actually can't reproduce the problem anymore
17:55 < sibiria> i presume swapctl'ing to off is enough to disable swap all the same as not having a "b" file system
17:55 < thrig> there are some design and implementation of BSD books on the topic
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17:57 < sibiria> off the top of my head i'm not sure how to boot without swap, since it's activated outside of the fstab
17:58 < sibiria> probably happens in rc or so
17:58 < mischief> reinstall with no swap? :')
17:58 < sibiria> :-|
17:59 < sibiria> slightly annoying to do over serial, on a microSD-only device!
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18:23 < pardis> it isn't in rc, it's in the kernel
18:23 < pardis> config(8) might be able to do it
18:23 < pardis> or just delete the b partition from the disklabel
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18:25 < sibiria> that's the surgery i was hoping to get around. kernel reconfig is probably clean enough
18:25 < pardis> back in the olden days, you would configure the kernel with your root, swap and dump devices at your site, and any other partitions would get mounted according to fstab
18:25 < pardis> now there's just the relic of hard-coded root and swap in GENERIC
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19:16 < mischief> sibiria: since i work on embedded at work, i got into the habit of having live serial lines to every device.. really useful
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19:22 < cgnarne> yes, you can never have enough serial lines
19:23 < cgnarne> the hc-05/06 uart to bt are really nice
19:23 < cgnarne> all my SBCs have those
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