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09:19 < unpx> Hello there, I just took three hours to resolve a system panic. Upgraded from 7.8->7.9, then system panic on some pci thing.
09:19 < unpx> Shall I report this to bugs@ or misc@?
09:20 < kafkaenjoyer> sounds like a bug issue to me
09:21 < vortexx> yes, bugs@ is the place. dmesg, ddb output if possible etc and how to reproduce if doable.
09:21 < vortexx> sysctl hw as wel
09:21 < vortexx> s/wel/well
09:21 < unpx> kafkaenjoyer: sent mail
09:22 < unpx> vortexx: I couldn't get the dmesg of the ill system, got the dmesg of the system after I "solved" the problem
09:22 < unpx> ddb got show panic, trace and a small version of ps (because reproducing the table is madness)
09:23 < unpx> "Solved" by running upgrade again from cd79.iso on top of the ill system
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09:25 < unpx> Since I just have a display, do you know some other techniques to fetch these data to another working computer? tesseract didn't work, ChatGPT is okayish
09:27 < unpx> I don't see the mail on marc.info yet, but I guess it will appear eventually
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10:11 < unpx> Was my message lost?
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10:28 < IcePic> unpx: this is one of the things non-tech people could do to help the project out, figure out a good/decent way to OCR camera pictures of crashes, to get the text content in a searchable and useful format instead of imagery
10:29 < IcePic> not saying this to you specifically, others are also welcome to bring along whatever solutions to this there are. I get that sometimes photos are the only thing you can have, and in your case unpx, moving past the bug is also important so that you can't repro the bug over and over, so if anyone wants to help, getting some kind of reader/ocr/bot-whatever where one can upload the image(s) and get text back 
10:29 < IcePic> would be awesome
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11:42 < vortexx> unpx: yif your computer has a serial port (it probably doesn't...) you could configure the console to run serial and have a machine connected via cu to it to log panics.
11:45 < Skullheadx> Hey! Does anyone here run openbsd on their router? Do you think there are any performance bottlenecks or things I should look out for?
11:47 < unpx> IcePic: Yeah, so it isn't just me
11:47 < vortexx> OpenBSD's network performance (although it improves with each release) can be a bit slow, the more powerful the machine the better (so not a pcengines APU for ex)
11:48 < vortexx> there's plenty of CLI OCR software that works rather well, especially for batch processing
11:49 < vortexx> takes a bit of tweaking depending on font size and all that but it usually does the job
11:49 < vortexx> and gui front ends of course
11:49 < sibiria> Skullheadx: slower network than anything linux, slower disk i/o than anything linux. regarding the network you don't need crazy performance to saturate e.g. 1 gbit, but certainly more than linux would need
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11:51 < sibiria> anecdotal reference: i run a 6-7 year old celeron model, and it can fully saturate the particular 2.5gbe realtek ethernet on that board. performance and efficieny also varies a bit from one network driver to the other
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12:16 < Skullheadx> sibiria: Ok, thats heartening to hear :D I'm shopping some used hardware thats around that level 
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12:54 < unpx> It took a while, but here https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=178541226721664&w=2
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15:01 < dominick72_97> the only lacking thing is wifi imo
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15:54 < vortexx> yeah whatever you do don't use OpenBSD as a wifi AP. Get a dedicated piece of kit for that, you'll thanks us later
15:55 < vortexx> (caveat: yes some drivers do AP, a very few do it reliably, but at 2002 speeds. Not sure who's interested in that...)
15:56 < il> caveat emptor
15:56 < il> vortexx: what do you suggest using for an AP? freebsd? how does netbsd do? lol
15:57 < sibiria> openwrt
15:59 < vortexx> I'll let others suggest that, I just buy asus routers and put them in AP mode. I can't be bothered to reflash (this is for home use only)
15:59 < vortexx> as sibiria says if you're into rolling your own
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16:29 < dkeav> i've had good luck getting used unifi ac-lr and pro models for pretty cheap off like ebay etc and flashing openwrt to them, configuring as dumb AP's
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17:01 < sibiria> i run a $30 d-link thing. does 802.11n and 802.11ac on 2.4 and 5 ghz. works great with openwrt
17:05 < Lucas_> il: as other people said, I buy any wifi router and set it to AP only. In particular, I buy mikrotik.
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17:05 < Lucas_> it sits behind a real router that runs OpenBSD, which also does dhcpd and other network stuff
17:05 < Lucas_> with the wifi router being a dumb ap
17:06 < Bradipo> My only problem with wifi is that I can  never seem to find a NIC that works with OpenBSD. :-)
17:07 < vortexx> that is a tall order indeed, finding one. Best these days to aim for Intel wifi nics I think
17:07 < vortexx> sometimes models built for Linux have something compatible but it's very hit and miss
17:12 < Bradipo> And yet, I see threads like this: https://marc.info/?t=178529239700001&r=1&w=2
17:12 < Bradipo> Wonder where they get their NICs that they claim work.
17:13 < Bradipo> Maybe they are "desktop" and not USB.
17:14 < sibiria> PCIe over M.2, i would say
17:15 < Bradipo> Yeah, technically more accurate that.
17:15 < sibiria> people generally have a good experience with intel's 6xxx, 7xxx and 8xxx series
17:15 < Bradipo> USB?
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17:16 < Bradipo> I need something that can go in a laptop.
17:16 < sibiria> i could be wrong but i don't think any of these exist in USB form. they are almost exclusively found as M.2 devices in laptops
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17:16 < Bradipo> Right.
17:16 < sibiria> 7260 and 8260 being the most common ones, which you can today find for peanuts on ebay
17:17 < sibiria> 92xx is the newer stuff which i *think* is starting to work well in openbsd lately
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17:19 < sibiria> oh and AX-something-something is the latest generation. i'm not sure how well those work right now
17:20 < vortexx> 8260 I had on my original Dell XPS 9350 worked perfectly. But that was ten years ago (perfectly being with OpenBSD like speeds, enough for browsing and youtube iirc back then)
17:20 < sibiria> i think those may be covered by iwx(4)
17:21 < vortexx> AX2* etc have supported via qwx and qwz I think
17:21 < vortexx> s/supported/support
17:21 < sibiria> AX-something is intel's branding, i'm sure it's iwx(4)
17:27 < vortexx> I have and AX500 that's not supported, it's qualcomm ath11k. I was hoping after six years maybe it'd be added to qwx/qwz 
17:27 < vortexx> and you're right for iwx - Intel AX200/AX201/AX210/AX211
17:35 < il> Lucas_: interesting solution
17:35 < il> I'd probably do openwrt and be fine with it
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18:46 < seninha> Hi, anyone here has a router with wireless access point running openbsd? Which hardware you use (the wireless device and the router itself)?
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18:56 < cgnarne> i would heed vortexx's advice to not use it for a wireless router
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19:00 < seninha> oh, i did not even read the backlog, lol
19:00 < seninha> nice coincidence
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19:03 < cgnarne> wifi is the devil's work
19:05 < seninha> Gonna do that then: a separate dumb router as AP running openwrt (or stock os/firmware? idc) connected to the actual gateway running obsd.
19:06 < dkeav> that setup works pretty well
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19:11 < sibiria> seninha: it's what "most of us" do
19:11 < sibiria> $30 pair of antennas that just bridge into your switch (or directly into router)
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19:14 < seninha> sibiria, nice
19:14 < seninha> any model to recommend?
19:15 < sibiria> the one i use is d-link dap-1620 rev B (rev A not compatible afaik), and i'm happy with it
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19:21 < vortexx> the heatwaves this summer appear to have made everyone forget this discussion comes up every 3-6 months in here lol
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