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04:39 < il> that's hilarious if you legit asked that without checking the backlog in which we exactly talked about that lmao seninha 
04:39 < il> vortexx: or 5 times a day lately
04:40 < il> It's my turn to be the third one to ask this question today
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07:15 < zelest> What am I missing here? Why does it keep updating the same packages over and over again? o_O https://ifconfig.se/pkg_add.txt
07:17 < renaud> did you try to pkg_delete / pkg_add it?
07:17 < zelest> I haven't, let me try
07:19 < zelest> nope, still the same.. it keeps reinstalling lwjgl3-3.3.1.1p1
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07:25 < renaud> there seems to be some packaging problems with those
07:25 < renaud> it might be a good idea to report that
07:25 < zelest> mhm
07:26 < zelest> yeah, p1 was released today it seems
07:28 < sonya> zelest: what's your jdk?
07:29 < zelest> jdk-11.0.31.11.1p0v0 and jdk-17.0.19.10.1p0v0
07:30 < sonya> zelest: and hope # pkg_delete -as have zero lines output..
07:30 < zelest> yep :)
07:31 < zelest> I will try remove jdk as well and reinstall it
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07:32 < zelest> nope, still b0rked :D
07:32 < sonya> zelest: # pkg_delete lmdb jdk-11.0.31.11.1p0v0 assimp-5.4.3p0
07:32 < zelest> oh well, I'll report it
07:34 < vortexx> lts: :)
07:37 < sonya> zelest: and your installurl is?
07:38 < sonya> i tested clean instal # pkg_add lwjgl3  with https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD - no reinstall while update is rollng
07:38 < zelest> ftp.eu
07:38 < zelest> weird
07:38 < sonya> amd64 here..
07:38 < zelest> same
07:39 < sonya> weird, yes
07:39 < sonya> the only thing - check without jdk-17
07:39 < sonya> though they should not interfere
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07:40 < zelest> still the same, without -17
07:40 < sonya> zelest: just for sanity : # pkg_check -Fnvv
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07:45 < zelest> yeah, nothing out of the ordinary there
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07:47 < sonya> sorry, no "ideas" left..
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07:48 < zelest> hmms, pkg_check did install pkglocatedb-1.5 .. which now also behaves the same.. :D
07:48 < zelest> I did try install btop afterwards, just to test.. but that doesn't behave the same
07:49 < sonya> zelest: permissions or /var partition is out of free space..
07:49 < zelest> permissions should throw errors though?
07:49 < zelest> 13.7Gb free
07:49 < zelest> GB*
07:50 < sonya> assume if records are not written as they should - only theory, could be false completely..
07:50 < zelest> yeah
07:51 < sonya> two pkgs with identical behaviour - is a sign that smth rolled out..
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08:42 < sillypepper> Is there an easy way to see the battery info from userspace (like the files in /sys on linux)
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08:54 < lts> sillypepper: "sysctl hw.battery" and "sysctl hw.sensors" should be what you're looking for
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08:57 < sillypepper> thanks !
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09:28 < gipa> sillypepper: see also apm(8)
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15:47 < rIMpossible> Microsoft and LG are making dump monitors smart now - to bug people with ads
15:47 < oldlaptop> That does indeed sound like a dump monitor.
15:47 < rIMpossible> Al hammduhd lilahh, I am on OpenBSD
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15:48 < rIMpossible> oldlaptop: lol
15:48 < rIMpossible> https://www.heise.de/meinung/Monitor-Bloatware-Die-Katze-ist-aus-dem-Sack-11390515.html
15:49 < rIMpossible> Sorry, the link is in german and cannot be translated with google translate, because heise.de is using tollbit
15:49 < Bradipo> What is tollbit?
15:50 < rIMpossible> tollbit prevents bots from scraping websites, but does not determine good/bad
15:51 < lts> Good thing Firefox has a local translator
15:51 < Bradipo> Ahh, interesting, and it charges a toll?  How does it accomplish that?
15:51 < rIMpossible> lts: yes, I wanted to be a gentleman and provide a link to the direct translation, but this seems to be impossible
15:52 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: I don't know, I am not a bot
15:52 < pardis> that's exactly what a bot would say
15:52 < rIMpossible> *g*
15:56 < cgnarne> well, the monitor isn't getting smart. this is Microsoft being assholes
15:56 < cgnarne> everyone else is fine
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15:58 < thrig> Microsoft microsofts, news at 11
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16:18 < oldlaptop> It would be nice if *more* of what the kids don't call "manureification" could be completely and totally solved by installing OpenBSD.
16:18 < oldlaptop> (in the way this monitor thing should be, if Firefox's model reads it rightly)
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16:20 < jab> kudos to the OpenBSD team!  My laptop battery just died.  My laptop forced shut itself off.  When I rebooted OpenBSD, the only partitions that needed fixing was /home and /tmp. 
16:21 < jab> every other partition was a-ok.  That's pretty impressive!
16:21 < jab> note to self, make a better notification for when your battery is about to die.
16:22  * oldlaptop has used gkrellm's "alarms" for that
16:22 < jab> googing gkrellm's alarms now.
16:22 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure google will have much useful to say about gkrellm.
16:23 < jab> well can you send me a link to gkrellm's alarms ?
16:23 < jab> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GKrellM  is that it ?
16:23 < oldlaptop> gkrellm is https://openports.pl/path/sysutils/gkrellm/gkrellm,-client - it shows a bunch of graphs and blinkenlights to monitor system load and so on.
16:24 < oldlaptop> One of its features is that you can set up "Alerts" (not alarms) for things like the battery meter to run a command when it crosses a threshold.
16:25 < thrig> not sure I trust something with llM in the name
16:25 < sibiria> ll(v)m
16:25 < oldlaptop> (the commands I've used are to the general effect of `aucat -i /bin/ksh`, but obviously it could be less quick and less dirty than that)
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16:25 < jmcunx> jab: maybe ad something like this to /etc/rc.conf.local via rcctl : apmd_flags=-L -Z 5  
16:25 < jmcunx> checl man page for apmd
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16:26 < oldlaptop> thrig: fortunately this particular name dates back to when "AI" was "Oh, like those expert system things that all went bust about ten years ago?"
16:26 < oldlaptop> or "Oh, like ELIZA?"
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16:27 < oldlaptop> gkrellm-server is also handy - especially in combination with interesting facts like "pflog is a network interface"
16:28 < jmcunx> jab: also xbattmon package is a nice small monitor for the battery
16:29 < sibiria> jab: you can do this with apmd alone. there is a "hook" for low battery warning
16:30 < sandmanXpuff> etc apm warnlow
16:30 < sibiria> e.g. "apmd -w 10" and let /etc/apm/battlow do something
16:30 < sibiria> warnlow* yeah
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16:30 < jmcunx> nice, will have to check that out too :)
16:31 < oldlaptop> That probably is a wiser place to put your `aucat -i /bin/ksh`.
16:31 < sibiria> aucat -i /dev/random
16:31 < sandmanXpuff> i have a screwy old laptop where the apmd does'nt work quite right, fortunetly warnlow creates a workaround
16:32 < oldlaptop> But amd64 machine code has so much more character!
16:33 < oldlaptop> And how will you be able to call yourself an 31337 h4x0r if you can't tell ELF sections apart from their sounds?
16:33 < sandmanXpuff> my binaries all say GNOME.WIZARD
16:35 < sandmanXpuff> did dev random tell you anything interesting this time?
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16:45 < jab> I do have a battery icon in i3, but I don't look at it often enough.  For instance it currently says, "Battery ⚡ CHR 70%".
16:46 < jab> but when it gets down to say, "10 or 5%" I need some sort of pop up notification.  I'll take a look at ya'lls suggestions!
16:48 < rIMpossible> jab: xbattmon -c 100 -p left -t 3 & does the job
16:48 < ivdsangen> maybe changing the color to red is all you need, thats what i would do if possible
16:48 < jab> ivdsangen: I believe that I did that.  :)  
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16:48 < jab> rIMpossible: thanks!
16:49 < rIMpossible> jab: xbattmon is really lean
16:50 < oldlaptop> ivdsangen: gkrellm does a mildly obnoxious throbbing red thingummy in the relevant gauge's background
16:50 < rIMpossible> put it in .xsession or .xinitrc
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16:50 < oldlaptop> And it also has a load of graphs and blinking lights! What's not to love?
16:50 < jab> I can try both!
16:51 < rIMpossible> jab: when on AC it is green, discharging it turns blue to red downwards
16:51 < thrig> blinken lights are good to distract management with, not much else
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16:53 < rIMpossible> thrig: you can connect a stadium fanfare over an esp32 to the client if battery is low, won't distract if it isn't necessary
16:54 < sibiria> izder456: i've used your zoitechat port every now and then the past few days, and it seems to behave well. a bit heavy with all the dependencies (python in particular) but other than that nothing to comment on
16:54 < oldlaptop> And of course the esp32 will drop its wifi connection when you really need to tell the whole neighborhood your battery is low.
16:55 < thrig> I'm more in favor of the laptop darkening instead of getting a notification. Apple makes it really hard to turn notifications off, for example.
16:55 < ivdsangen> oldlaptop: im running i3status and conky already, i think i will pass gkrellm
16:56 < rIMpossible> at least you are unevitable being warned and you have enough time to come back on time before the battery drops completely
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16:58 < rIMpossible> everyone has it's preferences. I prefer to get a warning, so I can prevent fsck'ing
17:00 < seninha> gophers://seninha.org/I/files/thinkpad-ibuprofen.jpg
17:00 < seninha> oops, wrong channel
17:01 < seninha> (enjoy the meme anyway)
17:01 < Bradipo> I have no gopher.
17:01 < rIMpossible> seninha: and for non-gopher users?
17:03 < seninha> rIMpossible, there are plenty of clients on ports (or try https://seninha.org/files/thinkpad-ibuprofen.jpg )
17:03 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: https://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw
17:05 < izder456> thanks for testing sibiria, if you haven't already, can you reply to the mailing list message with your experiences? also, did you see i sent a new diff for the latest version?
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17:05 < izder456> s/diff/tarball/g
17:07 < sibiria> izder456: yeah i ran the latest tarball
17:07 < izder456> good stuff, thanks!
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17:28 < rIMpossible> Hmmm, https://www.heise.de/news/Auch-KI-des-OpenAI-Rivalen-Anthropic-griff-echte-Firmen-an-11387741.html
17:29 < rIMpossible> So, a few days uninformed I see, that AI could leave their sandbox and attack companies? Did I read that right?
17:29 < Bradipo> I've heard that, yes.
17:31 < rIMpossible> I remember a movie from the 90's called terminator, there was a company called .... skynet or so?
17:31 < thrig> cyberdine
17:31 < oldlaptop> That strikes me as just possibly a ham-fisted marketing stunt.
17:31 < thrig> also T1 is 1980s
17:31 < sandmanXpuff> thats what i've been thinking
17:31 < sandmanXpuff> ai is not making money
17:31 < rIMpossible> thrig: yes, 80's
17:32 < oldlaptop> Weird Al had a T1 line in his house in the late 1990s.
17:32 < rIMpossible> sandmanXpuff: it's burning money
17:32 < sandmanXpuff> they claim "it escaped the lab" okay.. can you show me an example of an ai that jumps from a data center to say a car or a calculator or anything??
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17:33 < rIMpossible> why not. we are in the beginning. Imagine AI knows, what it is and has already - before the closed holes - planted modules on different places on the web
17:34 < rIMpossible> just to combine it in the right moment
17:35 < rIMpossible> strategic think-ahead moves
17:35 < sandmanXpuff> however, some ppl are saying these data centers are being built for yet to exist quantum computer hardware that may actually reverse the money loosing. hard to say at this point
17:36 < thrig> "bubble" and "number must go up" explain many building crazes, e.g. railroads in the U.S. a white ago
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17:38 < jmcunx> someone I know at IBM said they are segerating their quantum dept into a separate unit
17:38 < jmcunx> makes me wonder if IBM may sell it
17:40 < rIMpossible> could be out of taxing reasons
17:40 < rIMpossible> if quantum is the killer application after AI, IBM never would sell it
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17:49 < dkeav> as long as open models being distilled from the frontier models keep getting published and their nearly as good for a tiny fraction of the cost, i don't see how AI is going to be a money maker
17:49 < dkeav> infra/compute providers sure, but AI companies I dunno
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17:50 < dkeav> in a gold rush always invest in the person selling the pickaxes and shovels
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17:55 < rIMpossible> https://bpa.st/WZTA
17:57 < rIMpossible> dkeav: AI DC's use lots of energy and water ressources. IMHO it is not paying off
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17:57 < Bradipo> Well, someone is making $$$ from it.
17:57 < thrig> IPv6 may use temporary addresses for various things
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17:58 < dkeav> right, if someone owns the compute and is charging anthropic/openai/openroute..,.etc etc, they're making something for sure
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17:58 < dkeav> and if there wasnt profit in it, there wouldn't be so many shovels hitting the ground to build new ones
17:59 < thrig> there was profit in Dutch Tulips, so a lot of shovels were hitting the ground
17:59 < dkeav> :D
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17:59 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: Datacenter building companies, for sure
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18:04 < rIMpossible> thrig: would it be better for this kind of connection to have inet6 autoconf eui64 instead of inet6 autoconf?
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18:29 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260730130302 <-- I hope sparc64 users noticed compiling make build is going to take even longer now, llvm has been ported to sparc64, surprisingly
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18:38 < fro> don't think there's anything to notice yet
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19:02 < vortexx> it'll land in 8.0 I reckon
19:02 < vortexx> maybe 8.1
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21:30 < leahh> Just installed OpenBSD on my Unifi security gateway :)
21:30 < leahh> Was fun, but slow
21:30 < leahh> Not sure if it's the drivers or what, but the octeon ethernet ports were limted to a hundred or so kbps while downloading the file sets.
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21:32 < leahh> and lord this thing runs hot
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21:53 < vortexx> leahh: how recent a model is that?
21:53 < vortexx> seems extremely slow perf on the ethernet ports, not that I have tried Unifi gear
21:53 < leahh> 2014 i believe
21:54 < leahh> I do think the ports on linux can do 1gbps iirc
21:54 < leahh> More than hundreds of kbps
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22:04 < dg> the install kernel has various features like SMP stripped out, it's not a good way to measure speeds
22:05 < vortexx> doesn't the INSTALL.octeon have some info on how to do a slightly faster install (I imagine by usb or sd card or something)
22:05 < vortexx> ?
22:05 < dg> the usg is also pretty slow, but should do 200mbit/s or so easily, it uses hardware offload on Linux to support gigabit, which is a proprietary kernel model
22:05 < dg> er, module I mean
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22:06 < leahh> I think there may be an opensource alternative, since the openwrt page doesn't mention lower speeds
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