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01:47 < deimosBSD> a one man bullet? a power pack?
01:49 < dkeav> in the back, of a cadillac?
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10:31 < vortexx> https://rsadowski.de/posts/2026/dead-software-walking-relayd-and-httpd/ now wonder relayd and httpd weren't growing features for years, reyk@ has retired from OpenBSD :/
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10:47 < mischief> rip reyk@
10:47 < quinq> This website is unreadable
10:47 < quinq> Well, at least that page, don't know about the rest
10:48 < sibiria> didn't reyk floeter "disappear" from openbsd development already years ago
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10:52 < lumidify> quinq: It works well in lynx or dillo with all the js stripped away.
10:56 < quinq> Right, though it's not a JS issue but a background image one, that they solve
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11:00 < lumidify> Ah, I always disable everything in Dillo (even the CSS it does support), so I didn't notice that.
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19:11 < echelon> any updates on an aws ena driver? i wanted to set up an openbsd host as a nat gateway on an ec2.
19:11 < puffybuf> does make release always rebuild the entire kernel? it should have the obj files already? I forgot to mount my mfs RELEASEDIR
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19:13 < sibiria> echelon: doesn't it run on their ec2s anymore? i tested openbsd on an ec2 several years ago and it worked fine
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19:14 < echelon> if it was several years ago, that was prior to when the nitro adapter was introduced, which requires driver support
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19:15 < echelon> "elastic network adapter"
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19:16 < sibiria> 2-3 years ago. the ENAs existed already at that point, but maybe not in the same form or revision
19:19 < pardis> surely the older generation instances still work, even if the latest don't
19:29 < alem> should i use caddy or learn relayd for reverse proxying on openbsd?
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19:31 < cgnarne> depends on what you want to do. both could work
19:34 < pardis> my personal experience is that relayd's config syntax is very obtuse for anything non-trivial
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19:41 < alem> i just need a simple reverse proxy tbh, so caddy it is
19:43 < echelon> https://github.com/ajokela/openbsd-ena
19:44 < sibiria> depending on how simple the reverse proxy is, it may not be a proxy at all. sometimes people just want port redirection
19:44 < puffybuf> If I want to use '/usr/bin/mail' I need to setup all this spf stuff and rDNS smtpd relay? uhg can I submit bugs from just gmail javascript
19:45 < oldlaptop> "heavy AI assistance" always encourages confidence, doesn't it? (not that anyone really should need that disclaimer, he clearly didn't write the README either)
19:45 < puffybuf> web interface 
19:45 < echelon> puffybuf: you don't have to set up any of those things if you just use your mail provider's smtp settings
19:46 < oldlaptop> including confidence in the claimed copyright status
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19:46 < sibiria> puffybuf: you can e-mail from your gmail webmail if you want
19:47 < echelon> well he listed the drivers he used as a reference, so i would think they would copy over, but i don't know if you can license anything with ai-generated code
19:47 < oldlaptop> Neither does pretty much any legal system, to my knowledge.
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19:51 < echelon> oldlaptop: lol https://tinycomputers.io/posts/the-driver-nobody-wrote-openbsd-ena4-works-and-cant-go-upstream.html
19:52 < alem> sibiria: i need to rev proxy traffic a domain to a wireguard peer's port. Dont think that's port redirectable
19:52 < vortexx> puffybuf: make release rebuilds kernel because you're meant to have rebooted after building the kernel before building userland, iirc. The obj files should have been wiped before you build userland
19:53 < oldlaptop> echelon: I still don't understand - does this fellow genuinely expect me to read something he couldn't be bothered to write?
19:54 < oldlaptop> (he very obviously didn't write it)
19:54 < oldlaptop> I guess it's nice of his agent not to scream about how those dirty rotten OpenBSD meanies discriminate against AI agents.
19:55 < echelon> are drivers allowed in ports?
19:56 < oldlaptop> They really can't be.
19:56 < oldlaptop> it'd need to be, you know, a whole kernel
19:56 < echelon> oh ya
19:56 < oldlaptop> There was the lkm system years ago, it got removed for being useless (in the strict sense that there were no uses of it)
19:57 < sibiria> alem: if the edge is supposed to handle http then no
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19:59 < sibiria> if the first httpd is on the other side of the tunnel then that's just plain network redirection
20:00 < sibiria> e.g. internal VM with Internet egress/ingress somewhere entirely else with WG linking the two
20:01 < puffybuf> echelon: OK I did some tests, I setup stmp.conf to use a <secret> "app password" which req 2fa. Some went to spam some not, I always use vpn. So I hope it will work. I'll try some old test message boards
20:01 < puffybuf> /etc/mail/smtpd.conf
20:02 < echelon> app password, meaning the unique password for your specific app?
20:03 < echelon> that you set up in gmail
20:03 < echelon> or google account settings
20:03 < puffybuf> vortexx: oh I skipped making my own kernel/reboot. But that wouldn't change anything?
20:04 < puffybuf> echelon: google let's you create separate passwords it generates called app passwords for gsuite or google accounts. It warns you not to do it
20:04 < puffybuf> lets
20:04 < echelon> yeah, that's what i was thinking of
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21:40 < kit_ty_kate> is there a way to list the available disks from the usb installer shell? (something like util-linux's `fdisk -l`)
21:40 < mischief> try sysctl hw.disknames
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21:42 < kit_ty_kate> i tried that already but it only lists the names, not their info e.g. size, gpt partitions, … (sorry i guess i should've been more precise ^^)
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21:43 < kit_ty_kate> i tried disklabel but it only worked on one of them
21:45 < mischief> with the names, you could just run `fdisk sd0` or whatever
21:45 < mischief> disklabel will open work if there is already a bsd slice, i think
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21:48 < kit_ty_kate> fdisk doen't give me any info. sysctl says there are three disks: rd0, sd0, sd1. fdisk rd0 just shows a bunch of column of zeros, and sd0/sd1 don't work
21:51 < kit_ty_kate> (by don't work i mean: `fdisk: opendev('sd0, 0x0): No such file or directory`)
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21:52 < mischief> the block device nodes are probably not populated in /dev
21:52 < mischief> you could maybe `cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sd0`
21:53 < thrig> cd usually should be error checked
21:54 < mischief> or, alternately for the goal of listing disks, `dmesg|greps ^sd` :-)
21:54 < quinq> kit_ty_kate, what do you mean no info?
21:54 < quinq> It can't open the device?
21:54 < quinq> Here it gives the size (in sectors)
21:55 < kit_ty_kate> quinq: ah, and i guess i have to do the calculation from sectors to MB myself?
21:55 < kit_ty_kate> mischief: ah yes thanks, dmesg was quite helpful
21:56 < quinq> Well, you can use the computer for doing too if you prefer
21:56 < quinq> They're good at calculating ;)
21:57 < mischief> i am pretty sure the installer itself also just greps dmesg when it asks the question about the disks anyway
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21:58 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/c0dbfd168cb48ce9c13db946455ab810ed2adede/distrib/miniroot/install.sub#L2433
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22:02 < quinq> So disklabel -d -p g
22:04 < alem> why does this: pass in on egress proto tcp from any to (egress) port 80 rdr-to 127.0.0.1 port 8000
22:04 < alem> not work? how do i debug it
22:04 < puffybuf> I'm surprised staff/default have such low memory in modern times. I can't even compile some things. they want me compiling as special user build?
22:04 < quinq> alem, you can debug it with log (and pflog) to see which rule catches what
22:05 < StatiK76> rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port 80 -> 127.0.0.1 port 8000
22:05 < quinq> Most likely another rule applies later (or before with a quick statement)
22:06 < StatiK76> openbsd: pass in on egress proto tcp from any to egress port 80 rdr-to 127.0.0.1 port 8000
22:07 < quinq> StatiK76, are you an LLM bot?
22:07 < StatiK76> worse
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22:11 < alem> my irc client is bugging out, hope this message wont send twice. I was on wg and i had set skip on wg0, so i wasn't being redirected
22:11 < alem> thank you anyways 
22:12 < kit_ty_kate> mischief: `sh MAKEDEV sd0` did the job after a reboot it seems. On my first attempt it didn't work because (at least on the RPi4) openbsd doesn't seem to like removing/reinserting removable devices
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22:19 < sibiria> alem: it's not a quick rule so something else is probably overwriting it. also make sure you haven't accidentally remove "set skip on lo" and filter loopback interface in some way that prevents it
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22:27 < alem> sibiria: wdym? Does skip apply only to quick rules? I don't want to make it a quick rule tho, i follow the default deny convention as stated in the pf user guide. I disabled my wg connection on client and it worked 
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22:38 < sibiria> alem: if you removed the "set skip on lo", then the loopback interfaces (127.x.x.x) will be subject to any applicable rules
22:39 < sibiria> for example one that could block inbound traffic towards port 8000
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22:40 < sibiria> the rule you have trouble with is in itself correct. something else is preventing the traffic from reaching the loopback interface
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22:54 < alem> i mean it works now, idk
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22:56 < alem> do you guys think it's a dumb idea to rdr port 80 to 443? gemini (i know) says that it could block caddy but it doesn't
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22:58 < phy1729> I intercept 80 and redirect it to http which serves a 307 to https
22:58 < pardis> do you mean an HTTP redirect or a pf rdr-to?
22:58 < phy1729> httpd
22:58 < pardis> I meant alem, sorry
22:59 < pardis> an HTTP redirect to https is common and sensible, a pf rdr-to is just going to break any client that actually tries to connect on port 80
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23:02 < alem> pardis: i was going to do it with pf, how should i do it? with caddy?
23:06 < thrig> location * { block return 302 "https://$HTTP_HOST$REQUEST_URI"
23:07 < alem> cool, thanks
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