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07:26 < vortexx> puffybuf: yes you have to compile as _pbuild (for packages) or build (for kernel + userland) on OpenBSD. su - _pbuild / build (need to enable a login and give it a shell for that) or use doas.
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09:13 < pardis> no, you should build as root for base and the build system will automatically drop privileges when required
09:16 < vortexx> oh yeah forgot I don't do it the way I described for base. Only do it every six months :P puffybuf wasn't very precise about what they were trying to build
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09:53 < e-topy> Hi, is it possible to make openbsd listen on all /64 IPv6 addresses? Right now it responds to pings to ::1 and another alias I've configured, but I doubt I can individually alias all 2^64 addresses.
09:55 < mischief> why not pf
09:55 < e-topy> how does pf fix that? how can a firewall fix the net subsystem not reacting to packets?
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09:59 < sibiria> 1:2:3:4::/64 -> ::1 is one way, if you want to do it the PF way
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10:41 < e-topy> nope, didn't work. In ifconfig I do have prefixlen 64, but unless I explicitely `inet6 alias 2a01:...::2`, it doesn't respond, and it seems that I can't alias the entire /64 range (I tried IP/64; 64 subnet, and both, but either way openbsd just doesn't want to respond to addresses it doesn't explicitly own.
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11:14 < IcePic> e-topy: what is the problem for "listen to whole /64" is the solution?
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11:27 < e-topy> basically a very dumb side project
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11:40 < e-topy> IcePic: tldr First go read Gibson's Johnny Mnemonic story, it's short and great.
11:40 < e-topy> I got an NExT implant in my hand that has ~800 bytes of memory, so 4 months ago I did what any sane person would do and put an ed25519 SSH keypair and a small shell script on it.
11:40 < e-topy> I made it so that when you scan it and run it, it ssh's into my public ipv6 only server, which runs a command that makes you ssh keys and a new randomly-named isolated user with low privs and disk space.
11:40 < e-topy> The problem is the only thing that stops people from logging into other people's private meat cloud is a random username and ssh key, which is not enough.
11:40 < e-topy> So last week I realized that, well, in .authorized_keys, you can restrict a key to only work from a certain IP address, and I have a /64.
11:40 < e-topy> I could make it so that anytime someone generates a user, not only do they have a unique user with new ssh keys, but also a ipv6 address.
11:41 < e-topy> But to do that, I need to make openbsd listen to *all* addresses in the network. I already made it so that my regular user can only log in on a /128, but that requires manually setting an alias, and that doesn't scale.
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12:08 < sibiria> o_O
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12:26 < vortexx> does anyone remember if the ia64 port ever got off the ground? I'm not seeing much on misc@ or tech@ but in 2004 there was an initial request for hardware donations, followed a few years later by some company offering some 
12:26 < IcePic> vortexx: it did not, at least not for obsd
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12:26 < vortexx> e-topy: I read it after seeing the film, back when the film got released
12:26 < vortexx> IcePic: I thought not, thanks
12:26 < IcePic> I donated a few ia64 boxes to devs who happily brought them home, but no such arch arrived. And it was for the best, I think
12:27 < vortexx> maybe miod@ will blog about it one of these days
12:27 < vortexx> IcePic: that was very nice of you
12:27 < IcePic> I got them from the local supercomputing centre who had no use for them, so I got as many as I could carry, which was 6 2U servers.
12:29 < vortexx> pretty good, 6
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12:29 < vortexx> 2U would be about the size they like I guess over in Calgary too
12:30 < vortexx> (although I imagine shipping them from .eu would be awfully expensive, better to buy stuff in NA and have it shipped over
12:30 < vortexx> )
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12:31 < IcePic> back then I think it was 270EUR/$ worth to ship them inside of EU
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12:37 < vortexx> yeah, never cheap. And that doesn't include the proper packaging to avoid damage I imagine
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12:55 < oldlaptop> I guess it's pretty much deader than disco now.
12:55 < IcePic> it was one of those ideas that sounded ok, but didn't win. Perhaps the betamax of its time
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12:56 < oldlaptop> ISTR betamax was pretty much inarguably technically superior
12:56 < IcePic> it was, and it lost
12:57 < oldlaptop> for itanic you'd have to argue the whole EPIC thing is actually a good idea first
12:58 < oldlaptop> even if there's some nontechnical headwinds *too* (it doesn't run my windows fast!1!)
12:59 < sibiria> Video 2000 was also better than VHS. it, too, lost
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13:33 < e-topy> vortexx: Haven't seen the film yet, is it any good? Heard some mixed things about it
13:34 < e-topy> but surprisingly for what it is, it works very well. Next step would be spawning a VM for every user, but that might be too much management
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13:34 < e-topy> I doubt I'll see anyone from this chat IRL, but if I do, feel free to scan me, you'll get a few GBs free
13:39 < vortexx> e-topy: it's not great
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14:23 < e-topy> eh
14:23 < e-topy> well at least the new ghost in the shell looks great
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15:09 < vortexx> e-topy: the main problem is they didn't have the rights to the Molly character from the Sprawl trilogy despite her being in the short story. Probably because Gibson was hoping for a film or three based on that trilogy
15:09 < vortexx> so you're missing an important person in the story
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16:16 < riad> hi, would u guys use an oldlaptop running openbsd as a nas server
16:16 < slowstatic> hi, I'm new to openbsd. Trying to configure my httpd.conf, and I'm getting `syntax error` after running `httpd -n` when adding header options, even directly copied & pasted from the examples in http.conf(5). Is there a way to get more specific information about what is wrong with the syntax?
16:17 < oldlaptop> That depends on what you actually want from this "NAS server".
16:17 < drathir_tor> riad: not seen issue in that... hdd slot + optic drive replaced for hdd is solid low poer start...
16:18 < drathir_tor> poer/power*
16:18 < oldlaptop> Laptops are about as noted for their highly capable secondary storage systems as OpenBSD is for its highly advanced and modern filesystem and software RAID support.
16:18 < oldlaptop> (Though you can at least get one hotswap HDD in the optical-drive bay on some of them.)
16:18 < slowstatic> for simplicity sake I copied `header set "X-Powered-By" "OpenBSD httpd"` directly from httpd.conf(5) and it still errors 
16:19 < oldlaptop> slowstatic: Are you reading -current manual pages and using -release, by any chance?
16:19 < oldlaptop> custom headers are IIRC a new feature since the last release
16:19 < slowstatic> oh
16:19 < drathir_tor> oldlaptop: yea true some could say its overkill for tiny laptop but from second side still its will does it work too...
16:20 < slowstatic> oldlaptop: that's exactly what my problem is lmao. thank you
16:21 < oldlaptop> (This is IME a bigger problem with sqlite, which doesn't have a nice easy drop-down to select the old version you're stuck on)
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16:35 < riad> oldlaptop: (sorry for unintenional ping xd) basically, as customer of mine has 2 desktops and wants to be able to use both seamlessly
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16:35 < riad> so id just use a nas on which the application data and other media is written to
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16:37 < riad> not an extremely high-critical environment, so a ZFS solution might be overkill and id like to keep the load on the laptop as little as possible, hence openbsd
16:37 < riad> samba on openbsd is decent i heard or so
16:38 < riad> for redundancy i could just use 2(!) oldlaptops!
16:39 < riad> not sure yet, might just stick with TrueNAS if its not that much heavier
16:42 < CC-kun> what are the specs of the laptop?
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16:46 < riad> CC-kun: low
16:46 < riad> 4 gigs of ram, i3 (dont remember now what exact gen.)
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16:47 < riad> somewhere between 10-15 years old
16:47 < CC-kun> for RAID and healing FS support I'd also take a look at NetBSD and FreeBSD since they have differing implementations with support. I've done a software NAS on FreeBSD using ZFS, but other FS and RAID setups are possible 
16:47 < riad> ZFS is just that good, hm?
16:48 < riad> one day i will donate 1mil$ to the openbsd foundation to get ZFS in the kernel
16:49 < riad> CC-kun: what do you think of TrueNAS? i know theyve moved off of FreeBSD and to Debian, but it seems like a polished plug&play solution
16:51 < broke> riad: donating to a project to get something out of it feels like something google would do to firefox.
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16:52 < CC-kun> ZFS is a great FS for NAS in my experience, but again you can use something similar. this is getting off-topic, but I've never used TrueNAS. I would just try it and see if the performance is tolerable. Without more info can't guess the chokepoint, and resolving it might not be switching the OS
16:52 < broke> I was looking around, and I found out that 15 year + old laptops are considered vintage now
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16:55 < CC-kun> Outside of cars what tech isn't vintage after 10-20 years today?
16:55 < broke> Well, people call my thinkpad x200 and x201 as warriors.
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16:56 < CC-kun> actually modding my Thinkpad x201 now, think I'll slap OpenBSD or NetBSD as a light daily driver.
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16:56 < broke> CC-kun: great, I am literally on OBSD on my thinkpad x201
16:56 < broke> its my personal notebook
16:56 < broke> a great one
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16:57 < broke> also "modding" are you doing some heavy stuff?
16:57 < CC-kun> oh, just adding minipci storage for swap, maybe a panel replacement.
16:58 < broke> most people does panel on this thing, I am on the original one, and it sure sucks.
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16:58 < broke> s/panel/a panel change/
16:58 < broke> I was looking around to do that mod as well in the future
16:59 < broke> I don't feel like I really need it.
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17:00 < CC-kun> sames, also just sold my modded x210 to a friend, but he's a lifelong windows user so I slapped Linux mint on it with a windows XP XFCE theme. He loves it.
17:00 < broke> damn
17:02 < broke> I've seen the X210 and X210 Ai stuff, crazy stuff, too expensive, but worth it.
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17:06 < broke> my experience from using openbsd on this laptop showed me how bad the EC is on this thing. Hardware efficiency is nonexistant.
17:07 < broke> There's some thinkvantage tech on windows or Linux's intel_powerclamp and other intel stuff that makes it efficient using software.
17:08 < broke> I basically made use of apmd -L and hw.blockcpu=P which gave me the best battery life.
17:08 < broke> apmd -L and obsdfreqd, to hold temps.
17:09 < broke> becuase doing some ffmpeg stuff, you get to max temp easily in 30-40 seconds
17:10 < broke> But that is nothing compared to the horrible experience that is the modern web.
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17:17 < CC-kun> thanks for the info
17:17 < broke> your welcome
17:17 < broke> you are*
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18:38 < sibiria> CC-kun: apmd -L *or* obsdfreqd. don't run both at the same time
18:39 < sibiria> obsdfreqd controls both up- and down-stepping of frequency, so things behave normally as one would expect on any other OS
18:39 < sibiria> apmd -L fixes frequency at lowest possible
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19:27 < CC-kun> thx
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19:37 < broke> sibiria: uhh... well can I say something?
19:37 < broke> there's more to apmd -L than just fixing to lowest frequency.
19:38 < broke> you know about hw.perfpolicy?
19:39 < broke> the guide for the obsdfreqd installation said to set apmd to -L, because apmd sets hw.setperf to 0, and hw.perfpolicy to manual.
19:39 < broke> with hw.perfpolicy=manual, obsdfreqd can set its own frequency as it wishes.
19:39 < broke> that's how obsdfreqd works *with* apmd.
19:40 < broke> please verify it yourself.
19:43 < broke> set apmd -L and change hw.setperf to any value above 0
19:43 < sibiria> you don't need to start apmd with -L or -H if you're not using apmd to control the frequency
19:44 < broke> apmd has some features obsdfreqd does not.
19:44 < broke> mainly '-z'
19:44 < sibiria> you need to tell apmd to not go into auto mode (-A) if you're using it to control power state etc.
19:44 < broke> and '-Z'
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19:45 < broke> hmm, sorry I didn't see to it what is the default for apmd
19:45 < broke> so it is -L by default?
19:45 < sibiria> by default apmd sets it to "high" if you're on mains power, and "auto" on battery
19:46 < sibiria> that's there it can interfer with obsdfreqd
19:46 < broke> I think that is why in the guide it was said to set apmd flag to -L
19:46 < sibiria> so if using obsdfreqd for CPU scaling, and apmd to catch hibernation and power changes for other reasons than CPU freq. you need to add -L or -H to stop it from messing with obsdfreqd
19:47 < broke> Yes, that is what I was trying to explain earlier. as hw.perfpolicy is set to manual on -L or -H
19:48 < broke> I'm sorry to not mention that to CC-kun when I recommended him to it earlier.
19:48 < sibiria> right, just wanted to underline that apmd should be taken out of the picture unless the hibernation/power changes are important to track
19:48 < sibiria> the man page could clarify it a bit better imo
19:49 < broke> never thought I'd hear *that* on obsd
19:49 < broke> people always raving about obsd manpages in the linux chats
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19:49 < sibiria> far better than the state of linux' man pages in my experience, but there's always a little room for improvement
19:50 < broke> that's true :)
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19:56 < oldlaptop> The actual linux-man-pages project (which mostly documents C library functions) is a lot better than your average "linux man page" (which often is a horrible gnu "lol read info page luser" deal)
19:56 < oldlaptop> the pages for utilities... more closely associated with linux itself tend to be reasonable too, e.g. e2fsprogs
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19:59 < cgnarne> don't worry, they're working on making the libc manpages just as shitty
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20:06 < oldlaptop> that would be sad to see
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20:54 < zelest> i tried swapctl -d so that no swap is enabled, yet disklabel claims the disk is busy.
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21:37 < zelest> doing it from bsd.rd worked. :)
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21:40 < sibiria> it's a kludge
21:40 < sibiria> same with tuning file system's reserved space and optimization mode
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21:40 < sibiria> man page implies it can be done on a mounted file system, but it can't
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21:40 < sibiria> and booting bsd.rd mounts /, also preventing changes for that label
21:41 < zelest> I still don't get why it (the swap) got enabled in the first place, seeing it's not even in /etc/fstab
21:41 < sibiria> or rather, booting into single-user mode
21:41 < sibiria> it's done in rc
21:41 < sibiria> by force
21:41 < sibiria> presence of the disk label enables it automatically
21:41 < sibiria> also weird choice :)
21:41 < zelest> in my case, it was disassble my chassi, take out the RPI, add the debug cable and fiddle through console :P
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21:41 < zelest> hence hoping to solve it on a live system
21:42 < zelest> but now it's sorted, assembled and up and running again :D
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