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01:06 < ssm_> ufw is pf-ish (not really)
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01:19 < alem> ssm_:  it's what i use, i can kind of agree
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02:09 < puffybuf> how exactly do you build a "debug" kernel? aren't all the debug options already on?
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02:31 < dg> puffybuf: https://man.openbsd.org/options there's option DEBUG, it depends what you want though, like that says often it makes sense to define the particular thing the component you're looking at wants
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04:57 < dkeav> if only the umbrella villagers had snuffed out the vents
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05:05 < echelon> how do i stop the kernel from updating the access time of the file system at boot?
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05:07 < echelon> *atime
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05:10 < cgnarne> are you looking for the noatime mount option?
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06:22 < vortexx> the problem with iptables is Linux needed rather urgently a stateful firewall around the time it was written, and not much thought went into making the config file easy to read or write. Not sure the "successors" (which I understand are just iptables underneath) are anywhere near the ease of pf. The name pf probably came from ipf, the previous OpenBSD firewall which was dropped because of licensing. PF 
06:22 < vortexx> stands for packet firewall iirc
06:22 < vortexx> (ipchains, the previous Linux fw wasn't stateful)
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06:26 < vortexx> (iptables landed with the 2.2.x series kernels and required a major rewrite of the config file to take advantage of all the options, as you'd expect).
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14:26 < alem> is there any way to install jdk without x11? 
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14:27 < sibiria> if it really does not require x11, chances are good you can make a custom port without x11 as dependency and build that
14:27 < sibiria> but keep in mind that X is considered a base component of openbsd since several years
14:28 < thrig> not having x11 installed is sort of unsupported territory
14:29 < alem> oh, so i should just install x11 on my server 
14:29 < alem> I didn't think i would need it on an headless server 
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14:30 < thrig> except for those syspatches that assume it is there
14:31 < sibiria> technically you don't. but so many things assume X is installed right from the start since it's a base component
14:31 < alem> thrig: sorry wdym?
14:31 < alem> sibiria: alright, good to know
14:32 < cgnarne> alem: if you leave out X11 from the base install you will have to navigate around the breakage yourself
14:33 < sibiria> the syspatches can soft-fail fine, but you might run into a case of one syspatch sort of depending on a previous one
14:33 < sibiria> it can get messy. i don't like that X moved into the base system either, but it is what it is
14:33 < alem> mhh ok, makes sense 
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14:35 < alem> so on my next openbsd install should i just leave file sets as default? I used to always remove -game* and -x*
14:35 < sibiria> game is fine to remove
14:36 < sibiria> but yes, leave X
14:36 < alem> alright thanks, I'll keep that in mind
14:36 < sibiria> however, in my professional opinion, an openbsd system is not fully functional without fortune(6) and hack(6) which are part of the games set
14:36 < sibiria> sysops need fun, too
14:38 < sibiria> hangman is in there, for "those" days
14:38 < sibiria> you can install the X set retroactively
14:38 < alem> just found out i don't even have fortune installed on my linux laptop
14:38 < sibiria> it's been a few years since i last complemented an install like that but i can't recall any hiccups
14:38 < alem> my devices are just sad
14:39 < sibiria> they are essentially packages that can be installed with pkg_add
14:39 < sibiria> e.g. download and point pkg_add towards the file
14:39 < thrig> various linux tend to break ed in various ways (not installing it, linking it to some gussied up jankware)
14:40 < alem> sibiria: I'll probably just fresh install, I was just testing stuff on a kvm 
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19:38 < alem> I'm having issues setting up soju on openbsd (first time using a bouncer), basically the config file was being completely ignored, both by _soju user (by rc) and by root via the soju binary. The rc.d/soju file had a daemon_flags variable which was "-config /etc/soju/config" but it wasn't being read. I had to fix by just injecting the -config flag into the "daemon" variable but i don't really like
19:38 < alem> this solution
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20:04 < kit_ty_kate> alem: i've had soju setup on my openbsd box for a while and i do remember having some permission issue, but i remember mainly having to play with the permissions for _ssl-cert etc
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20:06 < alem> I don't think it's about permissions, it seems to work as intended after my hacky solution. It's just annoying that it doesn't work out of the box, and it gave me headaches 
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20:16 < seninha> hi, how do one "daemonize" a SOCKS proxy on the SSH client side? Like, make the proxy setup on boot (after network is configured) and try to reconnect to the ssh server if the proxy goes down.
20:18 < seninha> I could just add a "ssh -D ..." line at my hostname.if(5), but there should be the correctest way (isn't it?)
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20:33 < mischief> seninha: autossh perhaps
20:38 < seninha> mischief, thanks!
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21:59 < fanbass> hello all
22:00 < fanbass> OpenBSD 7.9
22:01 < fanbass> The Chromium app closes with an error
22:02 < fanbass> login: kernel: protection fault trap, code=0
22:03 < fanbass> Stopped at buf_rb_bufs_RBT_COMPARE+0x1e
22:04 < fanbass> How can this be fixed?
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22:08 < fanbass> + the file system is damaged
22:08 < fanbass> I use: fsck -f -y
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22:54 < phy1729> seninha: Could you use wireguard instead?
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