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08:29 < _Posterdati_> hi
08:30 < _Posterdati_> please help, I installed OpenBSD 7.9 on a raspberry pi 3b+ but after boot (the kernel is configuring bt) the serial connection is lost as if serial speed is wrong! How can I fix that? Thanks
08:31 < renaud> did you try chaging serial speed?
08:32 < _Posterdati_> yes
08:32 < _Posterdati_> form 300 to 406k
08:32 < renaud> I think it's 115200 by default on rpi, but I have not tried installing on a pi3
08:32 < zelest> yep, 115200 it is
08:33 < zelest> speaking of rpi, I've now migrated https://man.ifconfig.se to run on my Raspberry Pi :D
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08:34 < renaud> nice pufferfish
08:34 < zelest> AI slop
08:35 < _Posterdati_> now the board boot, but no network comes up, I suspect that it requires manual fixing some fs :)
08:35 < _Posterdati_> I use 115200 8n1, I can see uboot and openbsd boot
08:35 < _Posterdati_> after the boot and some device config the serial console get garbled
08:36 < renaud> did you try to put a static serial value in boot.conf?
08:36 < _Posterdati_> config.txt?
08:38 < renaud> ah, yes, on that machine it might be in config.txt
08:38 < _Posterdati_> boot> stty
08:38 < _Posterdati_> conscom speed is 115200
08:39 < renaud> I must admit I only tried on an rpi4
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08:47 < _Posterdati_> :( garbled
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08:54 < _Posterdati_> what is the serial port name? com0 or tty00 on raspberry pi?
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09:06 < renaud> not very explicit, there is nothing about com in dmesg
09:06 < renaud> root     12084  0.0  0.0   804  1144 00  I+pU   11:03AM    0:00.01 /usr/libexec/getty std.115200 console
09:06 < _Posterdati_> ok, there's no way to reconfigure it via OpenBSD boot prompt, nce
09:07 < _Posterdati_> - /etc/ttys is already configured for console at 115200
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09:08 < renaud> yes, that's the only one visible
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09:08 < renaud> tty00 is off
09:08 < _Posterdati_> I will reflash the sdcard :(
09:09 < _Posterdati_> that's odd
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09:11 < zelest> I got new microSD cards yesterday to migrate my root partition.. so now I'm super happy with my setup :D
09:11 < zelest> felt a bit wasteful to use a 128GB for a 1GB / :D
09:14 < _Posterdati_> does it grow it automatically?
09:15 < zelest> uhm?
09:15 < sibiria> nothing grows automatically with openbsd. except your expertise, and your frustration
09:15 < _Posterdati_> the latter more
09:15 < zelest> lies, I'm insanely happy with my setup :D
09:15 < _Posterdati_> monopartition for all
09:16 < zelest> I have multiple partitions
09:16 < zelest> but only / lives on my microSD
09:16 < sibiria> mono-partition on linux systems really rub me the wrong way
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09:17 < zelest> or, to be exact, I have one partition, but mutliple slices :)
09:17 < zelest> or, two partitions.. since it's two disks :P
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09:22 < renaud> which microsd did you choose?
09:22 < renaud> I generally use SanDisk max endurance ones
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09:25 < sibiria> i use anything that isn't explicitly a made-up chinese brand. they all get the job done more or less equally unless you're writing to it constantly
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09:27 < zelest> renaud, I got a SanDisk extreme 64GB (it was $2 more expensive than the 32GB)
09:28 < zelest> renaud, but I got a NVMe HAT for "real" disk usage
09:29 < renaud> sibiria: the max endurance is designed for cameras constantly writing
09:29 < renaud> zelest: yes, a NVMe is the better choice
09:30 < zelest> but you can't boot from it with OpenBSD (afaik)
09:30 < zelest> hence the microSD
09:31 < renaud> it isn't going to fail if you only boot on the sd
09:31 < sibiria> renaud: it's useful around the time you record video regularly onto the card
09:31 < sibiria> great for drones or security cams
09:32 < renaud> I prefer to take some precautions with log writing
09:32 < sibiria> less so for stills (in my experience). but the FUD does increase revenue
09:32 < sibiria> roughly the same P/E cycle tolerance as what's in any other flash storage, e.g. SSDs
09:32 < sibiria> acceptably reliable
09:34 < sibiria> zelest: doesn't it have on-board SPI flash or similar where you can either put a bootloader, or instructions of what to boot?
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09:40 < _Posterdati_> I cannot find if it is possible to boot from usb on an RPi 3b+
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09:45 < vortexx> _Posterdati_: it probably isn't possible on OpenBSD
09:45 < vortexx> _Posterdati_: tty00   "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" vt220    on secure
09:45 < vortexx> that's what I have on the APU6 I'm *still* using
09:46 < vortexx> you could set it to the same thing on the RPi3b+ and maybe it'll work (that's in /etc/ttys)
09:46 < vortexx> (mount the sd card on another OpenBSD system post install to modify the /etc/ttys entry)
09:47 < zelest> sibiria, no clue :D
09:49 < sibiria> on my old pinebook pro it was a bit of a pain. the maskrom of the CPU had a stupid default order, so had to flash alternative bootloader to SPI flash (tow-boot), and use that to boot linux/openbsd from the NVMe
09:49 < vortexx> zelest: well done on getting your site on the RPi
09:50 < zelest> vortexx, cheers :)
09:51 < _Posterdati_> vortexx: yes it is like that, but the problem that the console got garbled (over serial connection) and I cannot fix the fs, so boot stopped at some point :(
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10:23 < vortexx> _Posterdati_: https://conserver.com/consoles/ this may be of use, maybe you need a new cable. Not ideal I know but serial port debugging is a particular skill
10:23 < vortexx> zelest: yw
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10:26 < _Posterdati_> now I was able to boot the board with an usb stick, but it works only if I not insert an sd card :)
10:26 < _Posterdati_> even if empty
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10:29 < vortexx> and is the serial console stable if booting the usb? Congrats on getting it working on usb at least
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10:37 < _Posterdati_> problem is now I erased the sd card, but installer can't see it anymore
10:38 < _Posterdati_> sdmmc0: can't enable card
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11:03 < vortexx> _Posterdati_: does fdisk see it if you try manually?
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11:46 < _Posterdati_> ok, is it impossible to install OpenBSD on pi 3b+
11:46 < _Posterdati_> nice
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11:53 < sibiria> iirc pi 3/3b is officially supported
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11:58 < Matt|home> is there some large file i can download greater than 500 KB/s ? like from speedtest or something? need to check something
11:58 < Matt|home> specifically via wget
11:59 < sibiria> lots of stuff on the FTPs
11:59 < sibiria> ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.anything/
11:59 < Matt|home> please just throw me a random link i can easily type in
12:00 < Matt|home> my eyes are really tired and im getting ready for bed
12:00 < Matt|home> okay got one, thank you sibiria 
12:01 < sibiria> might be slow. the primary mirror is always under stress. ftp.eu.openbsd.org is generally a lot faster
12:01 < sibiria> should you need that 500 kb/s goal
12:01 < Matt|home> oh come on why am i getting a 404 i typed it in correctly ;_;
12:02 < sibiria> replace "anything" with 9
12:08 < _Posterdati_> sibiria: installer cannot see disks
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12:10 < _Posterdati_> sibiria: on rpi 3b+ I mean
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12:11 < sibiria> _Posterdati_: no idea, i never cared for the RPi, so i have no personal experience. i just recall seeing them listed among supported platforms
12:11 < _Posterdati_> ok
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12:24 < renaud> Matt|home: https://wormhole.app/
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12:25 < renaud> Matt|home: https://truefilesize.com/download-tests/
12:25 < Matt|home> so listen, this is very off-topic
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12:25 < Matt|home> but can i grab somebody just to hear me out for a couple minutes? im gonna go to bed right after, i just need to bounce ideas off of
12:25 < Matt|home> weird hardware failure i think
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12:26 < sibiria> absolutely, shoot. i'm only waiting for a massive AI prompt to finish burning credits anyway
12:26 < Matt|home> ty renaud 
12:26 < Matt|home> sibiria - alright so here's the behavior im experiencing with some background
12:26 < Matt|home> just moved, im constrained by a lot so no i can't just go out and get an ethernet cable and use that, etc etc etc
12:27 < Matt|home> i have an old rpi 3 here, which i wanted to put some bsd on. it has wifi only right now, and because it uses the broadcom chip i know they're notorious for being zero documentation. freebsd basically was a no go, and i went with net instead for the time being jsut to play around
12:28 < renaud> I only have tested on rpi4
12:28 < Matt|home> wifi worked out of the box, im on a 2.4 ghz only channel with avery strong signal, other things use it just fine. currently running netbsd 10.1 because that's the latest that supports rpi 3
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12:28 < Matt|home> here's the weird behavior which i originally (i believe falsely) attributed to dhcp stuffs (im bad at networking, rusty):
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12:29 < Matt|home> in the beginning it was working fine, except occasionally i noticed some write to disk errors. they seemed to resolve themselves but were fairly prevalent during package installations. then i noticed the connection would just hang after a specific thing, rebooting services wouldn't work turning the adapter on and off wouldn't work
12:31 < Matt|home> BUT fully rebooting the pi works 100% of the time without fail. if left alone the wifi doesn't hang for quite a long time, but it's variable. HOWEVER, if i download anything past like, 800 KB/s it pretty much immediately hangs permanently. 
12:31 < Matt|home> if i keep the download speed under that threshold, i can seemingly keep it going no problem
12:32 < sibiria> that sounds like a really rough problem to troubleshoot
12:32 < Matt|home> what's weird to me, is that the hanging occurs both if i write to disk AND /dev/null past that threshold. i assumed it was an SD card problem because of the writing to disk errors and a few other dmesg culprits, but to my knowledge /dev/null should've ruled out the SD card
12:32 < Matt|home> thoughts?
12:33 < sibiria> with netbsd?
12:33 < Matt|home> i was getting direct I/O errors along with CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED messages
12:33 < sibiria> i'd figure their stuff was fairly stable at release
12:34 < Matt|home> well in general, i have no idea if this is specific to netbsd but yeah it's what im trying to run right now. debian just completely dropped support so i couldn't even update packages on this damn thing anymore
12:34 < sibiria> weren't the rpi up to and including 3/b known for burning out the SD cards?
12:34 < sibiria> what happens if you download to memory? e.g. tmpfs
12:35 < Matt|home> i legit have no idea. this isn't my pi, not my sd card, aint even my house ;_;
12:35 < Matt|home> behavior is identical if i pass a certain download speed threshold regardless of writing to disk or /dev/null
12:35 < sibiria> the older PIs have a hardware issue with the SD controller. it runs the cards at higher voltage than permissible, effectively heating them up and eventually frying them in the literal sense
12:36 < Matt|home> hmmm 
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12:36 < Matt|home> no way to actively check temp while writing?
12:36 < Matt|home> or the voltage rather
12:36 < sibiria> but if you experience this problem even if you ftp/curl to RAM (or dev-null) i guess it's not what you're running into
12:37 < sibiria> you could put a voltmeter to the pins on the board. but i dunno what that would accomplish. it's a known problem, not a random problem
12:37 < Matt|home> bah. i really was hoping to just have this little thing work out of the box with whatever i slapped on it
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12:37 < Matt|home> i dunno this screams hardware failure to me. i've been kind of scattershotting this and im not happy at how long it took but i was takin the day off anyway
12:38 < Matt|home> just curious sibiria , what's the prompt yer tryna get? broad strokes, if it's corpo secrets i don't wanna know
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12:39 < sibiria> it does sound like a hardware issue affecting the various interfaces, yeah
12:40 < sibiria> Matt|home: trying to locate various functionality in a larger project of some hundreds of files, because the project is primarily built by an LLM and has no documentation or even commentary, and the "author" is on extended leave
12:40 < Matt|home> i do have a semi serious reason for wanting the pi working.. silly as it is :p my mother-in-law does not approve of me having the laptop lid left on even at minimal brightness. i just keep it on for IRC now ;_;
12:40 < sibiria> run a screen save?
12:40 < sibiria> saver*
12:41 < Matt|home> that sounds dreadful
12:41 < Matt|home> nah she doesn't like the electricity im using by leaving it turned on
12:41 < Matt|home> it's one of those budget low power laptops but yeah
12:41 < sibiria> the backlight itself uses an insignificant amount of energy. same for the laptop if it's mostly idling
12:42 < Matt|home> her house her rules :p can't wait to get out of here
12:42 < Matt|home> also that sounds.. just dreadful
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12:43 < sibiria> someone felt it was a good use of the staff budget
12:43 < sibiria> the software does work fine. it's just that nobody really knows it, since nobody wrote it
12:44 < sibiria> it was only vetted, but the entire cognitive process of writing the software is amiss
12:44 < sibiria> gotta get used to it. it's the future
12:44 < Matt|home> over my dead body
12:45 < Matt|home> personal opinions over AI - useful for some things, horrific for others, atrocity the way companies are pushing it 
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12:45 < Matt|home> i actually got quite into reading up on it for medical, protein folding in particular, and yeah i use chatgpt but god i hate the whole thing
12:46 < sibiria> it's a mixed bag. but we're also just in the beginning of this. it'll be something quite else just 18-24 months from now
12:47 < sibiria> and 5 years from now possibly mind-blowing, whether in the positive or the negative sense
12:47 < sibiria> strap in
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12:57 < renaud> the problem with IA is that they generate their database by scraping stuff, but if the stuff they are scraping is full of AI generated part, they learn from mistakes
12:57 < renaud> a little bit like Tesla autopilot is as bad as Tesla drivers.
12:58 < sibiria> they already learn (or not learn, as it were) from human mistakes
12:58 < sibiria> in a way, a horrific case of cross-pollination
12:58 < sibiria> but it *will* become better
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13:03 < _Posterdati_> so OpenBSD 7.9 installation is broken on raspberry pi 3b+...
13:07 < klsrqm> what's broken on it?
13:07 < _Posterdati_> no sdcard support in the kernel
13:08 < klsrqm> that sucks. worth shooting an email to misc or tech about it
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13:09 < renaud> misc or bugs, not tech, unless you have a patch
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13:12 < klsrqm> sorry, yes
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13:24 < _Posterdati_> 7.8 seems to be screwed too
13:24 < _Posterdati_> booting sd0a:/bsd: sd0a:/bsd: Inappropriate file type or format
13:24 < _Posterdati_> lol
13:26 < _Posterdati_> OpenBSD is not the os for embedded
13:27 < sibiria> sure you didn't try to boot something else than A R M 64?
13:27 < sibiria> accidentally fetched amd64? armv7?
13:27 < _Posterdati_> I don't think so
13:28 < martian67> Thats the error you get when you do
13:29 < _Posterdati_> >> OpenBSD/arm64 BOOTAA64 1.22
13:29 < sibiria> right but the BSD kernel file?
13:29 < sibiria> the bootloader clearly works
13:29 < martian67> Thats the boot program
13:29 < _Posterdati_> is the one from the .img
13:30 < _Posterdati_> I only dd it on the usb memory stick
13:30 < sibiria> you wrote the img fully (and to the correct offset etc.) and let the memory stick "sync" before unplugging?
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13:31 < _Posterdati_> yes
13:31 < sibiria> data is not guaranteed to be written just because the shell prompt returns
13:31 < _Posterdati_> I perform sync command
13:32 < _Posterdati_> I could try 7.7
13:34 < sibiria> sure. make sure to do an OS eject of the USB stick before unplugging
13:34 < _Posterdati_> ok
13:34 < sibiria> and keep in mind that by default you'll only get serial output from the kernel
13:35 < _Posterdati_> yes, I have a serial to usb adapter connected to RPi serial port
13:35 < sibiria> i *think* the rpi 3/4 can do basic video output if you "set tty fb0" before booting the kernel
13:35 < sibiria> like many of the other Arm SBCs
13:36 < _Posterdati_> let's try 7.7
13:37 < _Posterdati_> this must work, it was installed on the sd card before I tryed to sysupgrade
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13:48 < _Posterdati_> it works!
13:48 < _Posterdati_> now sd0 is found correctly
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13:54 < _Posterdati_> I found what garbled the serial output, I reenable the bluetooth device!
13:54 < _Posterdati_> it uses the same GPIO pins of serial :)
13:59 < IcePic> or the pins are good antennas =)
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14:59 < _Posterdati_> now 7.7 works ok on rpi 3b+
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15:01 < rIMpossible> Hello :)
15:03 < sibiria> _Posterdati_: it's possible that something broke support between 7.7 and 7.8. i'd give it another try either way
15:03 < _Posterdati_> 7.8 should work too
15:03 < _Posterdati_> I'm going to sysupgrade to 7.8
15:03 < _Posterdati_> even if the installer didn't work
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15:04 < _Posterdati_> in relink we thrust
15:04 < _Posterdati_> not trust
15:08 < rIMpossible> sibiria: just some side noise: what is it with "sync'ing" a dd'ed usb stick? Never heard that before. Is it necessary for all pluggable media or only on certain O/S versions of OpenBSD?
15:13 < sibiria> for all flash media
15:14 < sibiria> most OSes do async writes. they say "i'm done" when the device is still internally busy persisting the data
15:14 < sibiria> if you pull the power from the device before that, your data is gone
15:15 < rIMpossible> sibiria: with windows I know, one needs to 'eject' the device to safely unplug
15:15 < sibiria> same on linux, really
15:15 < sibiria> linux and USB3 is particularly notorious for it, because of very large i/o buffers
15:15 < rIMpossible> I did not know that is necessary too for OpenBSD.
15:15 < uwharrie> you can think of sync as an equivalent to eject then
15:15 < sibiria> to the user it looks like they just wrote 500 mb in 2 seconds, in reality the kernel and the device is still writing data for 10 more seconds
15:15 < rIMpossible> I saw now the sync(8) command. This one?
15:16 < sibiria> i honestly don't know if openbsd's (or even linux') sync(8/1) cares just about file system level operations, or the entire disk i/o buffer
15:16 < sibiria> on linux i just sync and manually eject the media
15:17 < rIMpossible> It happened twice in my life, that an OpenBSD *.img did not boot, so I wrote it again. Now I know
15:17 < sibiria> then wait with pulling the flash device when the OS really says it's safe
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15:19 < rIMpossible> Now after halting or rebooting ... syncing disks ... gives a picture
15:20 < rIMpossible> sibiria: uwharrie: Thank you for filling this *important* knowledge gap
15:20 < sibiria> yw
15:21 < sibiria> rather spend a few extra seconds waiting than having to redo the whole thing, or worse, lose some important data
15:21 < oldlaptop> for USB sticks, ideally get the ones with the blinky lights too
15:21 < sibiria> yep, it really is useful :)
15:21 < oldlaptop> with luck those will even tell on the device when *it* is lying to the OS that everything's written (when it's actually still spilling cache)
15:21 < oldlaptop> s/spilling/writing back/ (I guess)
15:22 < rIMpossible> Imagine one has a 'unfinished' tar gzip'ed backup somewhere on a stick and it becomes important...
15:24 < rIMpossible> oldlaptop: I have the blinky ones from Sandisk
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15:27 < rIMpossible> sync() may return before the buffers are completely flushed. LOL
15:28 < oldlaptop> It's all lies. But at least the blinky lights are pretty.
15:28 < sibiria> this is where my habit of also ejecting the device comes in
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15:29 < sibiria> belt AND suspenders
15:30 < rIMpossible> sibiria: just $eject or with parameters?
15:31 < sibiria> on openbsd, eject <device>. on linux i just use the GUI file manager, whichever that happens to be at the machine i'm on
15:31 < uwharrie> sync;sync;sync
15:31 < sibiria> (they all have a little eject icon for removable storage)
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15:33 < rIMpossible> I see
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17:00 < vortexx> _Posterdati_: now you can try sysupgrade to see how far you can get...
17:00 < vortexx> ugh hadn't reread the full backlog, disregard
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17:35 < chara> hi.
17:35 < chara> hope you be well.
17:35 < chara> can i have more than one encrypted disks with bioctl at the same time?
17:35 < chara> $ doas bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd2c softraid0
17:35 < chara> softraid0: invalid metadata forma
17:42 < uwharrie> should that be /dev/sd2a ?
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17:47 < pardis> are you trying to make a softraid out of a disk that already has some data on it?
17:49 < dominick72_97> sibiria: pretty sure dd on openbsd by default waits for writes to finish
17:52 < oldlaptop> Even making that assumption - all it can do is wait for the lying disk to *say* that writes have finished
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18:32 < vortexx> softraid declares 256 devices at boot so I'm sure you can have more than one
18:32 < vortexx> especially for those ssd+hdd configs
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19:00 < chara> pardis: i have a disk A and a B, A contains rootfs, B contains data. i have encrypted A on installer and i want to encrypt B
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19:07 < vortexx> chara: so sd0 is RAID for softraid, sd1 is encrypted rootfs, so did you make sd2 RAID for sd3 encrypted data?
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19:39 < pardis> chara: sure, but is there *existing* data on B that might be misinterpreted as corrupt softraid metadata?
19:40 < pardis> and you never answered uwharrie, why are you trying to encrypt the c slice instead of a RAID-type partition?
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19:53 < dominick72_97> oldlaptop: thats very true but then so does sync
19:56 < dominick72_97> you'd hope a properly designed disk would be able to finish those writes after power was cut
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19:58 < pardis> 99% of users won't care or even notice, so may as well minmax on benchmarks instead
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20:28 < chara> vortexx: no.
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20:29 < chara> turns out what i was doing was making a raid on sd2c without any RAID partition
20:29 < chara> that wasnt mentioned in manual page, but faq mentions it.
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20:30 < uwharrie> it's in the man page
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